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Posted: 11 years ago
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After watching Rani of Jhansi, Prithviraj Chauhan and now Pratap, one thing for sure, Indians were very brave but they didn't use their brains at all.
How come Mewar is so weakly defended? Only some bunch of bheals and Guru's disciples are there to save the main door or Mewar. This is so ridiculous.
What I find surprising is the attitude of Rathod clan of Marwar. Are they blind. Don't they know that Mughals are planning to attack Rajputana. What is their strategy to save their kingdom from Mughals. Why Raja Maldev is angry with Udai Singh for stupid reasons and not concerned about the biggest enemy facing his kingdom, the Mughals. If he doesn't like Mewar, that's his personal choice but what is his strategy to save Marwar from Mughals??
I find the same weak strategies in Prithviraj Chauhan and Jhansi ki Rani.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Actually I disagree with you, because the battles fought by Rani Lakshmibai and MP were fought with strategy- and here's why I say that:
The battle of Haldighati- there were about 2 million men on mughal side and about 10-20,000 on MP's side- they were able to hold ground because they used strategy and guerilla warfare techniques! It was because of these techniques no soldier from MP's side was taken hostage!

Lakshmibai - She had prepared an army of women, the canons were manned by women, she was no rookie at war, she was skilled! And when all else failed she had a plan to escape and fight another day (as did MP)

Actually it was the guerilla warfare techniques of Maharana Pratap that ultimately weakened the mughal empire- because his tactics were passed down to the Marathas who used these tactics with skill!

Shivaji was a genius strategist- his war strategy and skills are legend! He had conquered so many forts! He is the father of the Indian Navy because he started the first real navy of India!

You know why these brave souls didnt get what they wanted (MP, Lakshmibai) , it was because other rulers, their own countrymen didnt stand by them, the other people didnt have the guts to stand up and unite and unite against the enemy! Indians have strategy, they have brains, but the lack of unity and the inability to stand up for the motherland has cost this land too much!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Intrepida

Actually I disagree with you, because the battles fought by Rani Lakshmibai and MP were fought with strategy- and here's why I say that:

The battle of Haldighati- there were about 2 million men on mughal side and about 10-20,000 on MP's side- they were able to hold ground because they used strategy and guerilla warfare techniques! It was because of these techniques no soldier from MP's side was taken hostage!

Lakshmibai - She had prepared an army of women, the canons were manned by women, she was no rookie at war, she was skilled! And when all else failed she had a plan to escape and fight another day (as did MP)

Actually it was the guerilla warfare techniques of Maharana Pratap that ultimately weakened the mughal empire- because his tactics were passed down to the Marathas who used these tactics with skill!

Shivaji was a genius strategist- his war strategy and skills are legend! He had conquered so many forts! He is the father of the Indian Navy because he started the first real navy of India!

You know why these brave souls didnt get what they wanted (MP, Lakshmibai) , it was because other rulers, their own countrymen didnt stand by them, the other people didnt have the guts to stand up and unite and unite against the enemy! Indians have strategy, they have brains, but the lack of unity and the inability to stand up for the motherland has cost this land too much!


well said rati.. they mostly lose cause of unity, and the betrayal nature of their own people...the traitors, those the lover of throne didn't trust those who was there for their pride and that's the main reason that they lose...it's totally happened cause of lack of unity and betrayal nature...
Edited by Moumimon - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Actually I agree rati, u r right. The lack of unity is even a big problem today!!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Intrepida

Actually I disagree with you, because the battles fought by Rani Lakshmibai and MP were fought with strategy- and here's why I say that:

The battle of Haldighati- there were about 2 million men on mughal side and about 10-20,000 on MP's side- they were able to hold ground because they used strategy and guerilla warfare techniques! It was because of these techniques no soldier from MP's side was taken hostage!

Lakshmibai - She had prepared an army of women, the canons were manned by women, she was no rookie at war, she was skilled! And when all else failed she had a plan to escape and fight another day (as did MP)

Actually it was the guerilla warfare techniques of Maharana Pratap that ultimately weakened the mughal empire- because his tactics were passed down to the Marathas who used these tactics with skill!

Shivaji was a genius strategist- his war strategy and skills are legend! He had conquered so many forts! He is the father of the Indian Navy because he started the first real navy of India!

You know why these brave souls didnt get what they wanted (MP, Lakshmibai) , it was because other rulers, their own countrymen didnt stand by them, the other people didnt have the guts to stand up and unite and unite against the enemy! Indians have strategy, they have brains, but the lack of unity and the inability to stand up for the motherland has cost this land too much!


hey very well said indeed, Indians had the right frame of mind, the skill, the intelligence and the determination to sail through even the toughest times, but the lack of unity has always cost this country a big deal and the scenario is the same even now😲 ..that's wot they have been showing in MP from the very first epi, no unity and traitors within their own people 🤢
rulers like jalal or even the British who ruled over india thereafter used this weakness i.e divide and rule policy ..against india...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Coming to MP - when his own family members like Shakti and Sagar and all had also joined Jalal...what more can be expected...? yes they did turn around during haldighati- but that just shows the state of the politics at that time...all rulers had succumbed to jalal - to live a life of luxury...like a bird in golden cage...US's sons too had joined jalal...

against all odds, one man alone had the courage, had the conviction to stand up and fight for his right, for his motherland...even without adequate support...
and the meaning of strategy is to have a detailed plan right...they all had a plan laid out...but when one is outnumbered by crazy numbers and artilleries, then its really tough...and we cant even imagine how it would be to actually go over there and fight on the battlefield - there are external factors - heat...climate...dehydration..all the bloodshed on the battlefield...which one cannot predict...
also Pratap did manage to get back almost whole of mewar...except Chittor fort...which is a feat on its own- with less resources and less soldiers...but his unique techniques helped him gain back to a considerable extent what was his...so we cant say he was a weak strategist.,...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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You have so correctly told about all the rulers
See Britishers were expert at one thing divide and rule - they would first find if someone had a discord and then they approach them and use it and help them to attack their enemy. They divided based on caste, religion, state, empire, personal grudge etc
Mughals- Mughals had a different strategy based on relations, they used marriage as a rule to extend and maintain their empire. Especially Akbar his almost 300 marriages only 5-10 were cousins/friends all others were princesses of enemy or opposing states. Now after marriage how can a father/brother kill his son-in-law??? Out of 18 marriages of Jehangir 5 were only cousins/love affairs all others were political weddings. Same goes for Shah Jahan etc
The biggest problem is indian rulers purposely sided with British for silly personal grudges of benefits OR they went into marriage alliances for again fear/profits associated with aligning to Mughal emperor. There was no unity.
What is more shocking in pratap case his own brothers were against him and joined Akbar?
No wonder once Akbar told in court the only patriotic man left in india is Pratap. I think he was only one left with a conscience and self respect too.
See when everyone took the path travelled by everyone the easiest route of aligning under Mughal and enjoying their days he opposed and took path least travelled.
In 1857 we would have been free and independent but many rulers who pledged support withdrew at last moment and secondly many of the Nizams(governors) of mughals who were supposed to send Gold/weapons did not send it although they were told to by emperor.Best part is all those people are still royals and live luxorious life and those who fought for independence all kings family are killed or living in penury. Ex: Tipu Sultan who fought against British his family is on streets now and the Kings who supported British against him enjoy lavish life in palaces, same for Rani Laxmi Bai, Tantya Tope etc its sad state of affiars people who were traitors against their mother land enjoying life and those who fought for our independence their family are in penury.
I have a question? Did Pratap's family support British during war of independence? I read they saved many British during revolt? Can someone tell correct history of 1857?
Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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It was more an issue of lack of unity amongst themselves and treachery than lack of strategy.
The people were more concerned about their clans, personal gains, in fighting than a larger cause. There was no sense of nation pride and loyalty in them. Some also wasted resources over personal feuds and pleasures than use them to upgrade artillery and military.

They were ready to serve foreigners or give them their daughters in marriage in return of some favours and getting to keep titles.

Some such as Guru Gobind Singh ji had to organise and train an army themselves to defend their places and religious freedom/identity.

Each brother of MP had joined Mughals. All due to some problems with father, jealousy with MP as brother, lures from offers made by Mughals!

You can see Rao of Bundi bowed to Mughals for just getting unlimited supply of girls and Rao of Marwad is more concerned about ego, personal pleasures than threat to state.

On battlefield Indians did not lack strategy. Rati has rightly pointed out guerilla warfare perfected by MP and Bhils. Strategies of Shivaji.

Not easy to hold your own when you have such less man power and fewer/obsolete military weapons.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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It is called The Great Indian Crab Mentality...

We are quite good at this. While we ourselves wallow in apathy, we also cannot stand people who try to make a difference at any level whatsoever. Our History is strewn with every Hero surrounded by these crabs who would do everything to bring the Hero down and push foreigners higher despite all their atrocities on our fellow people...

Beautiful post Rati...😊
So true- this is why MP's dreams didn't come true entirely...

Edited by shrutijest. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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nice post...

Its not that they don't have strategy...

it is that they completely lack manpower or unity or significantly large teamwork , to make any strategy successful...

reminds me of Russian white army during communist revolution, they were referred to as an army of generals, meaning had the best minds, but no manpower to back themselves up.. or implement any strategy...

another reason for failures is that there is overflow of traitors... all over course of Indian history... traitors list would be close to uncountable... no wonder even British rule was on basis of indirect rule...

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