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fatma201

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Posted: 11 years ago

#61

Originally posted by: AKT.JA

Remember, Mirza Hakim was the primary victim in that episode and orgave Shivani, even utilized the opportunity to lecture Jalal about love. :)

In various Islamic traditions of justice, the victim has the power to forgive. Heck, even when the victim is no longer alive (ie, has been killed) his family has the power to forgive the perpetrator! So the story line meets the plausibility test.

Even if Mirza has forgiven them they still dont deserve a grand celebration as what they did is still a big shame and humiliation even in todays standard.

How many people that you know who eloped and were welcomed back with a grand celebration?

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AKT.JA

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Posted: 11 years ago

#62

Originally posted by: fatma201
Even if Mirza has forgiven them they still dont deserve a grand celebration as what they did is still a big shame and humiliation even in todays standard...How many people that you know who eloped and were welcomed back with a grand celebration?

Yes, if this had been real life, I'd say forgiveness is plausible, especially given Mirza's attitude and Jalal's own new understanding of love, but a grand celebration would be unlikely.

However, who knows, this is TV and this Jalal is a man of whims. :)

He just might decide that what really matters is love and bringing happiness to those who love (and those he loves, for example Jodha, Mirza, HB, etc).

Remember his speech in Mathura, while standing up for the widow? It wasn't just about justice or against excessive punishment. He was positively promoting love and, important in the present context, the superiority of true love over petty objections based on traditional values.

He can easily brush aside the fact that Shivani marries a commoner. If that's anyone's problem, it is Bharmal's and the rest of Amer clan. :) Anyway, Jalal's own sister BB married a commoner SD, but instead of looking down upon her, SD's rank got raised. [In this respect, and a few others, Mughal culture was more dynamic, adaptive, and practical than rusted out aspects of Hindu / Rajput ways where many things got frozen at birth. Of course, as Akbar recognized himself, in a few other respects Mughals could use an infusion of native Indian values.]

As for Shivani lying, that can be blamed on MA. As for their running away, mazboori under the circumstances; anyone can see that.

Also, both Jalal and Jodha are big time "rescuers" by personality and temperament. He might decide to organize a jashn for Shivani and Tejwant just because those two are not in a position to do it for themselves and nobody else will help them. And, let's not forget that this would please not only his begum Jodha but also his brother Mirza! What's there not to like about this jashn?

All in all, I am not saying that the story will definitely take this trail, but I do see a trail.

Edited by AKT.JA - 11 years ago

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DearZindagi12

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Posted: 11 years ago

#63

Originally posted by: AKT.JA

Yes, if this had been real life, I'd say forgiveness is plausible, especially given Mirza's attitude and Jalal's own new understanding of love, but a grand celebration would be unlikely.

However, who knows, this is not real life, this is TV, and he is a man of whims. :)

He just might decide that what really matters is love and bringing happiness to those who love (and those you love).

Remember his speech in Mathura, while standing up for the widow? It wasn't just about justice or against excessive punishment. He was positively promoting love and, important in the present context, the superiority of true love over objections based on traditional values.

He can easily brush aside the fact that Shivani marries a commoner. If that's anyone's problem, it is Bharmal's and the rest of Amer clan. :) Heck, Jalal himself is married to quite a few baandis. As for lying, that can be blamed on MA. As for running away, mazboori under the circumstances.

I am not saying that it will necessarily happen this way. However, whether the story takes it or not, I do see a trail.

well said..its tv show kuch bhi hosakta..but disagree with one point ..jalal never married any bandhi..yeah he had a kid from bandhi i ggues..but never married any bandhi..he was status conscious...after all he hails from royal family..and thats y salim was against jalal for refusing his marriage and love for anarkali who was a bandhi

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AKT.JA

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Posted: 11 years ago

#64

Originally posted by: Gem12
well said..its tv show kuch bhi hosakta..but disagree with one point ..jalal never married any bandhi..yeah he had a kid from bandhi i ggues..but never married any bandhi..he was status conscious...after all he hails from royal family..and thats y salim was against jalal for refusing his marriage and love for anarkali who was a bandhi

Thank you for catching that - I was definitely carried away in my rush to post. I have edited the post and included a better example to illustrate the point I was making. Please take a look at the new version.

Off topic, but for whatever it's worth, Anarkali's problem was being a "dancing girl" which, rightly or wrongly, was equated with close to a prostitute in many cultures. I sincerely belive that Akbar's attitude would have been very different if Salim had shown up with the daughter of a poor farmer. I don't think it was a matter of class and status.

In fact he was very clear that he decided the issues of class and status, and not the other way round. As he keeps saying in a slightly different context: "qanoon hum se hai, hum qanoon se nahin."

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Posted: 11 years ago

#65

Also, both Jalal and Jodha are big time "rescuers" by personality and temperament. He might decide to organize a jashn for Shivani and her husband (forget his name)

I think his name was Tejwant.