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Posted: 11 years ago
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I know there is another thread on this but I think some facts need to be placed on the table, There has been a lot of talk about equality between the sexes: Why not Jagya? Why should it always be Anandhi? Don't we ask for equality etc etc? Also, why are A supporters jealous to see one good track for Jagya?
The point is not about a good track for Jagya. His hospital has featured in every second episode relating to badi haveli. It has been the centre of action from births, deaths, injuries, pasha , ganga, gehna, name it and J has been there in all these tracks. So to say that politics is his only good track is factually inaccurate.
Now I come to the main point. Theeps, (hope I can call you that) and Alchemist,
I address this especially to you as I found that you had grasped the point of why Anandi and not Jagya needed to be in politics.
Women's representation in politics in this country is abysmal. In 1999, 49 out of 543 winners in the Lok Sabha were women; in 2004, 45 women won for the same number of overall seats. In 2009, the figure went up to 59, just over 10 per cent. Is this the great equality we are taking about?
Political parties do not like to field women even though their winnability ratio is higher than that of the male candidates. This is to ensure complete and unquestioned male stranglehold over power politics. Women do not get even nominated, forget winning, no matter how good they are,
This is the reason the Women's Reservation Bill was introduced. But predictably the male politicians ganged up against it, going to the extent of using physical force in Parliament and tearing up the bill in the Lok Sabha. Now it is stuck in the Upper House.
In this environment, what does BV do? It sidelines its shining, tried and tested female protagonist in favour of the son of her former in-laws. This son mentally tortured her resulting in their painful separation.
WoW! Can you get better than this?
BV gives him the ticket on the pretext that he has turned into gold. Which he may have but I think it is unfair to bestow everything on him, the best equipped hospital, medical degrees and now a career as a politician forgetting his main calling while A serves some vagabond, whimsical bua saas.
There cannot be a bigger travesty than this and to say that it doesn't matter who wins, both are good etc simply does not wash given the anti-women environment in which we are living. BV could have risen above the rut, and shown the way forward. Instead it asks the ditched former wife to campaign for her ex and revel and glory in a victory gifted to him by her.
I'm not surprised the bua saas -- ok that is going to be A's lot, no matter how much we protest -- asked her if J was her brother. Anyone would do that, no? Ansh are great -- and I love them for this --that is why this relationship has become possible , Otherwise it is absurd for A to go to Jaitser to campaign for J. The argument that the A-Heth Singh clash will lead to fireworks which is enough for us to be happy to be about is tragic and very very sad.
BV which does not otherwise care about reality -- an MLA constituency is not just a village -- suddenly becomes realistic in showing male supremacy over females. Realistic treatment is good when they show violence against women which is portrayed as wrong, and fought against. Not when a female patriarch gleefully presents her pota as the candidate. And the more suitable female candidate claps from the sidelines. If there is a message in this it is a wrong message.
The election is happening in Jaitser not in Udaipur so she could not contest. Really? That is a load of nonsense. Assembly elections happen across the state unless this is a by-election featuring just one constituency. So Udaipur would have its elections too. So why not create opportunities for her to enter politics in U instead of thrusting a bua saas on her?
I didn't mean to write this but just couldn't help myself.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Everybody knows why it should be Anandi and not Jagya in politics.
But going by what happens in real world Anandi vs Heth Singh is fairy tale contest and whether people want to accept it or not in real world there is only evil vs lesser evil or known devil vs unknown devil. Jagya with his past history in personal life and brush with law and his family coaxing him to contest elections is a perfect mixture of current politicians. Even his election symbol belongs to a party in S.India whose permanent president has been married three times.A reluctant scion of the powerful family contesting while his more able friend/ex wife campaigning for him is the reality.As a doctor he should be contributing to the health care of the socity and that should be his first priority and I hope they show him struggling to do both things.
This interests me because it makes me think of the current scenario. I laud the makers for bringing up this track through an imperfect man who is full of contradictions a past which he is not proud of a man with good intentions but totally clueless taking on someone like Heth Singh makes me think about reality.
I am not interested in seeing good vs evil and the evil one vanquished by the good one in the electoral battle which is fairy tale.
Funny that people who want to see reality don't like it when it is presented to them in a fiction show,
A fiction show which claims to make stories out of socially relevant topics should only confine themselves to showing the mirror image of the real situation.
I don't care to be preached by the makers of fiction show. When I watch fiction show I want it to close to reality and not fairy tale version of solution to a problem.
People who are clamouring to see Anandi in politics I happen to be one of them.
When I see her entering politics I want it to happen in close to reality manner
Anandi can contest from Jaitsar she has every right to do so.
But the fact she also resigned Sarpanch post because she felt she won't be able to give her best to the job operating from Udaipur.
How is she expected to contest from Jaitser for this elections when she has a differently abled child who needs her support is she going to travel from Udaipur to Jaitser on daily basis?
Shouldn't she be presented with more compelling reason to contest from Jaitser????
As for her contesting from Udaipur - Question is how long has she been in Udaipur?How many people know of her? Shouldn't she be working on getting her own identity through her work?????I'd rather see her doing that.
As for A going for campaigning in Jaitser - I don't really care for that.But IF SHE THINKS AND FEELS THAT IT IS RIGHT THING TO DO SHE SHOULD DO IT AND I DON'T THINK ANY ONE SHOULD QUESTION ON THAT IF THEY WANT TO ACCEPT HER DECISION OR NOT IS THEIR BUSINESS NOT ANANDI'S.She has her husband's support in it and her in laws are supportive of it and that's all it is required.
Dadis buas of the world can enquire and get curious about her relationship with a man who she considers as her friend but Anandi is not answerable to them.
As for people wanting this track because it can be used as basis for Anandi Vs Heth Singh track are the people who want her to see her face challenges at her who want to see her as something other than wife bahu mother and sometime social worker.These are the people who want to see Anandi as a fighter who is fighting for people who could not fight for themselves.
Anandi has been fighting for people who could not fight for themselves from childhood she did not need social positions or family support to do so.Her family supported her but she would have done it anyways.The fact that Dadisa was against her did not deter her from doing what she wanted and bua is unlikely to exert control on her too,
I'd rather see Anandi making her mark in Udaipur through her work and be known for her work and her be the choosen candidate by people of Udaipur like she was the chosen candidate for Sarpanchship of Jaitsar.I'd rather see the CVs working towards that rather than making statements through unrealistic tracks by creating twists so that she can contest frm Jaitsar.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Rohini, I am not sure if I have clearly grasped your post, but why is this termed as male supremacy track?
Male -female equality would have been in question if Anandi was deliberately put down by Singhs, Shekhars or villagers to give way to J.
Nothing of that sort has happened. There was a vacancy and upon insistence from sane voices, J chose to fill it.

If Anandi wanted it she should have made that choice, but it appears that she does not want it.

I had expected a lot of growth from Anandi post her marriage with respect to her career, dreams, achievements and an identity of her own. But sorry to say that Anandi cannot even decide the AIM of her own life, despite all the education & freedom.

She just picks life as it comes. Gets into something, makes illogical mistakes but somehow sorts it out in the end and gets praised for her efforts. Then she moves onto something else.

Post marriage, her life was quite aimless and clueless until she adopted Amol. She kept on jumping from one person's affairs to another. Bhaili was established more out of need to help someone, rather than a proper planned career in social welfare.

Anandi herself has chosen a life to remain a good bahu/mom/bhabhi/beti and has chose family over other priorities. In her spare time she likes to help others and contribute to their betterment. Her career looks more like a hobby than an established career.

I don't mind if that's how she likes to live. Her life. As long as she is happy.

But I don't see how she is sidelined, when she never had the intention, choice or even mere thought to be in politics.

In fact when DS asked her to campaign for J why was she all ready? Didn't she think what about Amol or Bhaili or recent beggar racket or those kids? Wasn't she busy at all? It looked like she was all free and was waiting for someone to fill her up with tasks. And there she left as soon as her hubby permitted.

I like Anandi because she is a noble soul with good intentions, but she is often aimless, confused, directionless and lost . She is no longer an inspiration. Anandi was better in her sarpanch days. Post marriage she is way too confused.



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Posted: 11 years ago
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@TM bang on post. Agree with each and every point of yours.
Politics, was a natural career progression for Anandi, which many of the viewers had expected to see. It is true that what they are showing is a common scenario in society. Many women are denied opportunities to give it away to their male counterparts, right from education to career opportunities. But BV could have made a difference to this by showing it the other way.
The big question is that now what they have planned for Anandi as a next step.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I think it is not about why Jagya is contesting election from Jaitser and not Anandi, but rather why CVs felt a need to come up with a track where Jagya is contesting elections. They could have very well shown such a track with Anandi in Udaipur at later point of time.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Russhme22

@TM bang on post. Agree with each and every point of yours.

Politics, was a natural career progression for Anandi, which many of the viewers had expected to see. It is true that what they are showing is a common scenario in society. Many women are denied opportunities to give it away to their male counterparts, right from education to career opportunities. But BV could have made a difference to this by showing it the other way.
The big question is that now what they have planned for Anandi as a next step.

Look at it this way - BV through the current track is showing what is happening in the society.
It is making us think about it while we are watching the show.
It is making us think about the reasons as to why this is happening in the society.
I personally feel they have succeded in that - they are making us think.
And it should be upto the viewers to think about the solutions to change the scenario.
I don't think BV or anyother show has a right to preach they can only present us the real picture.
Anandi competing against Heth Singh is real solution but that situationleading to that solution should be presented in a realistic manner.
Not in a filmy way by making her contest from Udaipur where people don't even know who she is.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I do not think this election track is closer to reality (they have just taken bits and pieces from here and there) or it is a men vs women scenario. They brought this track perhaps to encash the election happening in country and Jagya is contesting (perhaps) because they may have run out of any more absurd illness ideas. For Anandi - they already got one absurd idea of bringing a long lost sister of her grand father-in-law. As per article, the role is not just a cameo - so it is assumed that the regressive "purane vicharon wali" grand bua (do not know what to call her😆) will continue to torment the viewers for a long time.
The start of the track itself is absurd - people coming to badi haveli to ask the matriarch to contest the election just one day before the last date of filing the nomination. Till that time- not even a poster nor any discussion about election. Can we call this closer to reality? Then the election symbol - they should know what they can show and what cannot - why not an election symbol that is a free symbol as per election commission or some other symbol that is not allotted to any party. This is certainly not a by-election because the current MLA is also contesting - what stopped them to show election being held in Udaipur also - the election of assembly are held for whole of a state and not for just one constituency. If the people themselves want to throw out the current MLA - then the work of other contestant has become simple. Even if builder mafia are helping the current MLA - it people who have to vote - in democracy majority wins.

Anandi not getting to contest election is nothing - she has a lot more things to do. In fact, more than campaigning, her priority should be her son - who was recently abducted. She should devote her energy and her time to finish the work of rehabilitation of beggar children, especially Tinku.

I do not have any high hope from this election track - they will not show reality - their panchayats are like khap panchayat, their MLA will get elected in stand alone election - and they will not let go of any opportunity to show regressive character assassination attempts.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I actually liked today's episode with respect to election part. What I don't understand is when HS came and gave his speech against J, why did the villagers appear to be changing party? Didn't they themselves want someone against HS (Or did I see something wrong). Anyways, the track seems alright so far

Coming to bua dadi, OMG it was an absolute torture right at the beginning. No offense but I personally don't like that actress. She has never impressed me in any of her shows. And now to see her in a regressive role would be the worst of all tortures I have had in BV.


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Originally posted by: Missesha


I actually liked today's episode with respect to election part. What I don't understand is when HS came and gave his speech against J, why did the villagers appear to be changing party? Didn't they themselves want someone against HS (Or did I see something wrong). Anyways, the track seems alright so far

Coming to bua dadi, OMG it was an absolute torture right at the beginning. No offense but I personally don't like that actress. She has never impressed me in any of her shows. And now to see her in a regressive role would be the worst of all tortures I have had in BV.



@bold -I have not seen today's episode, may be today's episode was good. But I know it is a filmy track. In reality, one contestant can not go to the rally of other contestant. But in films and serials - I have seen some old Hindi film where there were similar scenes.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Esha good first post I agree
So far the election track for me too is going well Too much reality tele shows even films don't show but how close they go by reality is fair How much it makes sense is ok

I think cvs need a regressive mindset in Udaipur for Anandi who will create problems in her work and perhaps rishta equation with J Yeh rishta kya kehlata hai ? so they introduced Bua dadi but i feel this is poor attempt to remake of Dadisaa. The actress said the character is not entirely bad Will having different shades too So quite Dadisaa They should have introduced some other villain There will be another useless character increased in Shekhars after Anup That family itself is torture They should be send to Himalayas It should be only AnSh in Udaipur with their son . Sorry but Shekhars are pure useless characters for me 😆

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