19Apr2014-Tom in Love - Page 7

Originally posted by: nandu96

nice analysis

Originally posted by: decemapr

Very nice analysis Angie...😊

Originally posted by: Aas2727

@ nice analysis angie. I could not see the pics 😕 . I just love analysis by you, misti n myra it gives a sense of positivity each time and your criticsism also seems fair enough when it is. Thanks for spreading love n positivity through your post.

Originally posted by: dsr11

@Angie @misti

loved your videos😛 they are perfect for baby bear and honey pot😊

loved your analyses too. i thought baby bear was thinking of a 'kiss' when she said " to pyaar ka 'kiss'se lena dena hai" the look he gave her after she said that says it all.😛

Rekha, thanks for liking the videos and analysis. Hey great interpretation of Astha's line - breaking down "kisse" to "Kiss se" . 😆And Shlokie's mind is on one thing these days - his interpretation of ILU. But poor baby bear...just when he goes to kiss her, she turns her face away or start asking him to tell her the three words.

@myra @chitsss @jia @par0ma @First_Light

loved all your takes on the episode buddies.

@myra @par0ma

i agree that aastha judged that secretary unfairly by her attire. i guess, she is a little insecure behind all that bravado. hope the new secretary she hires won't become a problem for her. but i like aastha this way, imperfect. we all judge people unfairly at some point, face the consequences and learn from it.😊

Originally posted by: uma111

Myra, Misti, Angie

just read all your posts. what can i say addicted to your posts.

Thank you.

Originally posted by: par0ma

First_Light: Thanks! I hope you'll share though, it's fun and I didn't even realize how much when I was a silent reader! I do know what you mean about capturing first impressions plus these ladies do such a good job with the details that I often feel I don't have anything to add. That's often why I end picking up what I differ on, although I read and appreciate all the posts. 👏👏

DSR11: I like a flawed too Astha too ; that paragon of virtue thing gets boring in a hurry. 😆 It's not that she's insecure/ jealous or even that she expresses it that bothers me. I didn't like HOW she expressed it in this instance and it felt Un-Astha-like (at least to me!). This could quite easily have been Astha Kirloskar in another life being victimized for something she didn't intend - i.e. coming onto the boss. I don't see her as quite so unempathetic or unreasonable. But also I hate that all desi shows characterize women in diaphanous saris, barely there cholis and super long hair as virtuous paragons while the girl in a skirt (this wasn't even short!) and short hair is an unprincipled man-hunter. That kind of stereotyping annoys me, but it's my pet peeve and I realize not everyone feels as strongly. 😉

Par0ma, I understand what you are saying. It used to bother me too and still bothers me in some respect. Especially when the sarees the girls wear are somtimes more revealing than the western dress they are criticizing. In EBP context, I also had the same reaction. But then they had shown Astha having no problems with girls wearing even more shorter dresses previously. So here it was supposed to depict Astha's jealousy and not her disapproval or tolerance for western wea. But it is true that heroines and vamps are distinguished by clothes and hair style. I used to hate it a lot but now I feel that in the end, their ratings depend on those audience who generally like loud saas-bahu dramas. And whether rightly or wrongly, serial makers feel that such audience are this narrow minded. I always feel that serial makers are living in a bubble when they make such generalizations. There is definitely a percentage of rating viewers who feel this way. But many have moved away from such generalizations because even in rural areas, I now see girls wearing all kinds of clothes.

Bingyy and Angie: I hope it's ok if I butt into this conversation. I'm new around here and I'd hate to ruffle any feathers. Bingyy, I do see the parallel that you're drawing from your story, and no... simply going thru the motions of caring and sharing may not always mean there's love. It maybe habit, duty, a whole host of things. BUT, that is really for the couple to know and in the case of the TV show viewer, it is in the eye of the beholder. To me it seems that Shlok was caught in a bind of regret, betrayal and hurt over Swati --- but it was about what was done TO him, not so much about Swati and how much he missed her. I think he'd moved on from that a while ago - it was love but in another time and place. Her death and the finality of her last rites allowed him to finally find closure and move on. His burgeoning feelings for Astha (and it's been slowly building up) are finally finding acknowledgement even though as Misti said he has ways to go.

I don't mind if anybody butts in any conversation as this is a public forum and the thread is public. I agree with all you have written here As far as moving on is concerned, it can be considered right in one context and absolutely heartless in another context. In real life too, I have seen two examples in which two husbands moved on soon after their first wife's death. In one context, I felt it was tasteless and in another one, I felt it was appropriate. In Shlok's context, I found it appropriate because of all the reasons you have mentioned.

Is Astha Shlok's one true love? Is Shlok's love for Astha as great as it was for Swati? Is Shlok "settling"? I don't think we can know, given what the show has shown us. I also don't think it particularly matters, love is love - it isn't always equal, one partner may do more of the heavy lifting at one time and right now Astha is. I hope at some point we get to see Shlok do it even though we may have to wait a while. But for argument's sake even if Astha means less than Swati did to Shlok, how does that matter? Certainly to Astha it doesn't. She loves Shlok with her whole heart, wants to secure his happiness above all else and wants to know that he in turn also loves her - that's it! Perhaps that isn't easy to find in real life, but that's why fiction is so wonderful. 😉

My point here is not to change your mind Bingyy or prove a point - people see things differently, everyone has a right to express their opinion on a forum like this. There is no one right or one wrong. But perhaps my $0.02 helps to put a different perspective on things - for what it's worth? Or maybe not... and that's OK too. 😃

Originally posted by: par0ma

Another entertaining episode to top off a very fun week for the show and at least the start of the next week promises to continue in the same vein. Angie, more than sorry for the secretary I was annoyed at the stupid contrivances needed to make the show of jealously and possessiveness work. Astha, who is an extraordinarily empathetic, warm and generous character, bitches out the blameless girl and fires her. It was so unreasonable and out of character for Astha that I wondered whether it so necessary for comedy and whether there weren't better ways to underscore Astha's insecurity. 😕 Of course, the new "improved" Shlok looked smugly pleased at his wife's bad behavior where he might have earlier torn strips off Astha and sent the secretary to her desk. Maybe these two deserve each other! 😉 I wish they'd written in a short scene where Shlok had called the girl back, apologized and maybe assigned her to some other part of the company. That would have mollified me, but I guess I'm in the minority who doesn't like these kinds of scenes. 😊 Count me in too😉 While the scene provided comic relief I did not like most of it. It reminded me of Niranjan-Anjali scenes. While there may have been a difference between the reasons/emotions involved with respect to both couples , I can't help wondering if there isn't a similarity between Aastha and Anjali here. Didn't Aastha too compromise with her sense of right and wrong because of her insecurities? It made me think of Niranjan's advice to Anjali to use a person's nature to mould them. Both in Swati and Aastha's case Niranjan has been shown to be extremely confident that his Shlockie will handle them appropriately.🤢 Wonder what jaap Baba gave his Bachcha in mute around teh first divorce hearing. Is Bachcha still following it consciously?

I have no issues with Aastha's insecurities or jealously . But did she have to fire an employee? Couldn't she have settles for mild reprimands? And what's with the 'tiny clothes' comment? As per desi tv if one exposes your legs , then you are immoral? It's fine that our heroines strut around in net pallus and skimpy blouses? Somehow the comment was so Un-Aastha!😡

Now that I have that off my chest, 😉 I thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the episode. Just deserts for Shlok's earlier beastly behavior - a regular dose of mirchi wala khana! The evolution of Shlok continues to be written and performed really well, today Shlok missed his biwi's constant attention and looked forward to her many intrusions in his work day. I especially liked when Astha cornered Shlok by asking if mehendi color is unrelated to love, then what is love all about? Shlok answered in characteristic style, not with words but by action. He brings food to his famished wife - not sure Astha fully gets it - but over time at least the audience does. He has started cherishing Astha in sickness and in health, he worries for her safety, he defends her to Anjali, he chows down spicy food in order not to hurt her feelings and he looks out for her needs. He still has a long way to go and reparation is long road but he has started down it. He did all of this when he was faking lubh too 😉 I guess one of the reasons why Aastha requires a verbal acceptance😆😆 While faking he never did say he loves her save that one time when he faked jumping of a hill , right?

Angie, I could not agree more with you on giving the writers their due on this Shlok evolution storyline. I completely agree that we're seeing how much baccha and baba differ - nice pick up on the parallel with spicy food. Abuse aside, baba is all about sweet but hypocritical words and Shlok is about no words ( at least none that not sarcastic!) but entirely about deed. But Astha, as Misti said, is too young and immature to see it; to wait for Shlok to be ready to speak of his feelings for he won't do it lightly. He took his time but ultimately he turned to her when Swati died and unburdened himself.

Misti, I found your comment on Astha cosseting Shlok with love and attention very perceptive. Now the surfeit of I-love-yous don't seem as annoying. 😆 Maybe it's what Shlok needs to heal, that overpowering reassurance that he comes first and is the most important thing in Astha's life. I hope we don't have to wait too long to see him return the favor to Astha. She's waited a long while and she's due a major dose of reassurance too.

Misti: on my fave character Anjali, I don't think it's just that she didn't do enough for her kids, it's that she failed her kids - completely- when they needed her most. Shlok in his relationship with Swati and of course in a much bigger way for Jyothi with female infanticide and domestic abuse. But like you I can't judge her harshly because Anjali herself is a victim of domestic abuse and has been for years. Her means of coping seems to have been to embrace the abuse, to heap it upon herself, see herself as culpable and deserving of such punishment. It is terrible that is her coping mechanism but in the process she has failed her kids and Jyoti is fortunate to find Kalindi and Ajju's gentle, loving care as an adopted daughter. The scenes with Jyoti in the Kirloskar home have been so lovely to watch. I hope her demons don't return too soon, we need this reprieve.

First_Light: Like you I've been a silent reader for the longest time and it's only very recently that I've found my voice here. I can say that these ladies are not only first rate commentators but are also warm and welcoming and I'm enjoying sharing my thoughts on a regular basis - I didn't think would... this much! Just sayin'... in case you want to share your $0.02 (which I both enjoyed reading and agree with) on a more regular basis. 😃