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From whatever reading I've down, Kurukshetra war was never a war of personal vengeance or a war for land but a war for justice.
It's about not offering the second cheek after being slapped the first timeand as Vidur has summarized it:To save the family, [one must] abandon an individual. To save the village, abandon a family; to save the country, abandon the village.18Das, Gurcharan (2010-09-03). The Difficulty of Being Good:On the Subtle Art of Dharma (Kindle Locations 1824-1825). Oxford University Press. Kindle Edition.If they wanted personal revenge, they could have done it at the Gandharva incident or Virat war. Because the war was needed for a greater cause, they waited till the right moment.The personal equation just added to the incentive for the war.It's kinda like Osama Bin laden needed to be killed for the greater good of mankind but until the twin towers were attacked, the world powers had no incentive to find and kill him.
Originally posted by: Ashwini_D
That's interesting. Thanks for your thoughts. But the reason the Pandavas did not avenge themselves during the Virat war or the skirmish with Gandharvas was that they were still bound by the exile. It is only after their demand for their share of the kingdom is rejected and Duryodhan refuses to part with even 5 villages that the Pandavas decide to wage war.I agree with you that the war was not a war for revenge, but one for justice where the Pandavas fought for their rights. And that is how it should be viewed as well isn't it? Why extrapolate it into a war for cleansing the earth of evil or 'reducing the earth's burden' as is often claimed?Did Duryodhan have to be killed for the greater good of mankind like Osama Bin Laden, a terrorist responsible for mass murder?
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The question is- how was Duryodhan as a king? What atrocities did he do on the common man? I don't have answers to these questions except what I've read in books like Ajaya (which are biased towards Dury). According to Krishna's message, the kshatriyas all over Aryavarta had resorted to adharm and needed to be cleansed from the earth before the start of the next yuga. If anyone has citations on how other kshatriya kings including Dury behaved with their praja, I would love to read that.After reading RM's version, I feel Krishna was always in favor of war. Even his peace negotiations were done because Yudi wanted them but Krishna wanted the war from the very start. That was his mission and all his actions were geared towards the war
Originally posted by: gupta.aditi20
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i really liked your thought...see everyone has different views regaurding the war...somesay it was fighting good over evil.. or some people also thinks it was for revenge...in mb.. all were grey characters... pandavas too... they were not saintly... but they followed the dharma which was taught to them... they were fighting for their rights... and till now nobody is able to understand what actual dharma was and is... so here krishna came into the picture... he was the one who told them what its all about...and about kaurav's they were not too bad... but they never chose the right path .. thus violating the basic essence of mankind...like after the hastinapur kingdom was divided ... he wrongly took the indraprastha from them and the major adharma done by the kauravs was disrespecting a woman.. which lead to their downfall...when krishna told panchaali to forgive them it was to ensure that panchaali doesnt suffer from the brunt of injustice done to her...but fight for this injustice against her... not only because he insulted you... but because he could insult many others... so that gave the mahabharat a shape of dharamyudh...moreover fighting for injustice is never revenge... its always known as avenge... fighting for the wrong done to them... revenge is always accompanied by jealousy , ego, anger... and avenge is always accompanied by helplessness , tears , anguish, peace...and you know what my mom always told me mahabharat though an epic is never kept at home.. and when i asked why!! she replied.. mahabharat is all about the mistakes done at each step.. and we have to learn from each step... and in this learning krishna helps us...
Originally posted by: Ashwini_D
4) If I am not wrong, even the epic has some evidence stating that the war did more harm than good. If I look at the epic, leaving aside all religious and divine elements, Krishna becomes just another character like the others. As soon as we bring down Krishna from this divine pedestal, the entire perspective of looking at the epic and the war changes. The war becomes a personal strife between two set of cousins, one fighting for their rights to the throne, which were unfairly taken away from them by the other side. So isn't the war what it is: a personal war? And not a war for the greater good? It is only Krishna's Godhood, which is a matter of faith, that lends credibility to the latter, which in my opinion is no credibility at all. We should not accept things, just because they have been sanctioned by religion.