Was Yudhishthir a real Dharmaraaj? Whats your opinion?

Shivang

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: varaali
Shivang...
aise "like" button press karke chale jane se nahi chalega. 😆

Please add your valuable thoughts too.

Lol 😆 Busy busy schedule sister. Anyway felt honoured to find my name in the middle of this thread from you out of nowhere. Sirf like button dabane ka ye asar. Jee baawaro ho gayo.😆 You made me laugh in fun and feel good simultaneously.

Actually Sema and you people are doing complete job for our dear Yudhishthir that I don't have to add anything here. What Sema is writing are also my thoughts so nothing to add like I had to do back then when Favourite Pandav poll was created (the link posted by Sema) and during my Orkut days in BRC MB community of Orkut. And look Sema has also helped me over here to add those views of mine by giving the link of that thread.👏

And I am so glad that Sema is successful in clearing the misconceptions in some people's mind in understanding Yudhishthir who was Krishna's devotee and who always intended and tried to be truthful and virtuous. It's so good to come here in this forum and in this thread even during such hectic schedule to find such appreciating thread for such heroic characters of our epic when everywhere else, time wasting, boring, irritating, crowd following, blind & sympathetic anti hero worship of characters like Karna so much so that people place him even above Krishna.😭 😲 🤢 It is so refreshing and soothing the eyes to read this sensible thread in the right direction of thoughts and also so many people taking positive and open minded interest in it and adding their devotional and knowledgeable thoughts too. No need to mention your name because I already know about your knowledge and devotion.

P.S. And yes my all thoughts ABOUT YUDHISHTHIR are on the 3rd page of that Favourite Pandav Poll thread (Including some parts of my Orkut posts) and not on the first page (On which I have voted for Bheemsen).

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Janaki

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: varaali
Finally got the time to reply...

Was Yudhishthira really a Dharma Raja?

To answer this we have to look at certain incidents and derive our own conclusions.

The first clue that we get to understand Yudhishthira's Dharma -palana is his Q & A session with the Yaksha beside the poisoned lake.

At the very end, when the Yaksha asks why Yudhi wants only Nakula to be revived, Yudhishthira answers firmly

"Dharma sheela sada raja iti maam manyava vidu" I want to be known as a king who always followed Dharma

So how do we know whether Yudhishthira actually followed Dharma or not ? We get the answer from Manu Smriti which says "Dharmo rakshati rakshitaha" He who protects Dharma is himself protected by Dharma.

At the end of everything, it was Yudhishthira who emerged victorious- not Durodhana, Karna et all.The Dharma which Yudhishthira followed all his life ultimately protected him. Dharmo rakshati rakshitaha.

Just as Dharma protects those who protect it, the reverse is also true. Dharmo eva hato hanti. Dhamra kills those who kill it. This was true in case of Duryodhana.

In fact, interestingly at the very end of the war, when Duryodhana was lying mortally wounded with his thighs smashed, Duryodhana confesses

" Janami Dharmam na che me pravruttihi

Janami Adhamama na cha me nivruttihi

I know Dharma, but cannot practice it. I know adharma, I cannot stop practicing it."

In his updaesha to Yudhishthira, Bhishma says:

"Niyato yatra Dharmo Vai, Tamshankha samachara" Where Dharma is clear, practice it without hesitation.

Yudhishthira never hesitated, because to him, at every point, his dharma was clear to him.

...To be continued. I will add more details later, citing examples from the Y- Y samvada.

Urmilla- Can you open the Y-Y samavada thread?

Superb explanation! Couldn't have said it better myself. 👏

You are exactly right that Dharma protects those who practice it, so the very fact that the Pandavas came out victorious with God on their side is proof of their nature. Not only Lord Krishna, Lord Hanuman was also on their side, so how could anyone defeat Hari and Hara? It's unthinkable!

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varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: ShivangBuch
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And I am so glad that Sema is successful in clearing the misconceptions in some people's mind in understanding Yudhishthir who was Krishna's devotee and who always intended and tried to be truthful and virtuous. It's so good to come here in this forum and in this thread even during such hectic schedule to find such appreciating thread for such heroic characters of our epic when everywhere else, time wasting, boring, irritating, crowd following, blind & sympathetic anti hero worship of characters like Karna so much so that people place him even above Krishna.😭 😲 🤢 It is so refreshing and soothing the eyes to read this sensible thread in the right direction of thoughts and also so many people taking positive and open minded interest in it and adding their devotional and knowledgeable thoughts too. No need to mention your name because I already know about your knowledge and devotion.

In fact I feel like asking the Karna supporters who feel so sad that Karna was brought up by his adopted parents, he did not get the love of his "real" mother...he got adopted into a lower caste, hence his lie to Parashurama ...blah...blah...blah...

This is what I would like to ask the Karna fans "How is Karna's situation any different from that of Lord krishna's "?

Krishna too was brought up by adopted parents in a family of lower status; he too did not receive Kshatriya education till he was in his teens. But did he fret and frown and resorted to telling lies to his Guru? Instead, he made up for all the lost time by his talent, perseverence and hard work and emerged as the the greatest warrior in Aryavarta.

And as a token of gratitude he brought back his Guru's son from the Land of Yama.

In what way was Krishna's background any different from Karna's? Yet we don't find anyone saying "Oh I feel so sorry for Krishna... he was brought up as a cowherd."

He too was derided and called mockingly as a "cowherd" (by Shishupala), as a Yadava (by Arjuna)...He too, was denied marriage to Rukmini by Rukmi- but he defeated Rukmi in a fair fight- not insult him publicly at his weakest moment.

And this is what I find ironical : Karna tried his best to avoid the charioteering profession and become a battle worthy Kshatriya. Hence his desperate trip to Parashurama, from whence he came back only with two curses.

On the other hand, Krishna, the greatest kshatriya of his day willingly became a charioteer for Arjuna- and excelled even in that.

Can the contrasts be sharper?

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Posted: 11 years ago

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