A JUDICIOUS VIEW OF GITA

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I truly feel all schools in India should teach the essence of Gita .We as children were taught moral science in schools and were made to say Christian prayers and we had no qualms whatsoever . The teachings of Gita have no religious connotations so why should anyone object.Though India is secular 80%are Hindus and I find no reason for resistance.I sincerely feel Gia and yoga to be taught in all schools for the future generation for a better society.

The government of Madhya Pradesh recently took a decision that the essence of the Gita would be taught in all schools in the state as a compulsory subject. It would, therefore, be a part of the school curriculum. The Christian community has taken exception to this and through the Bishops' Conference it filed a writ petition in the Madhya Pradesh High Court. The high court has ruled that the Gita is not a part of the Hindu scriptures and is not a religious book or dharma granth. Therefore, its inclusion in the curriculum does not detract from the secular character of the state. In this it has upheld the contention of the Madhya Pradesh government that the introduction of the Gita was not tantamount to introducing religious education and that the principles laid down in the Gita are totally secular in nature and help in building character.

The Hindu religion or, rather the Sanatan Dharma, does not have one single set of scriptures such as the Bible for Christians and the Quran for Muslims. Not being a revealed religion Hinduism, through practice, precept and popular acceptance gives the status of scriptures and of holy books to the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Puranas, the Gita and to any other book that is accepted as holy because it contains spiritual wisdom. In fact in Hinduism it is spirituality rather than religion which is paramount and, therefore, what constitutes scriptures is a matter of interpretation.

How does a Hindu view the Gita? The Gita or Shrimad Bhagawat Gita, is contained in the Mahabharat. The Mahabharat is an epic, perhaps the greatest epic in the Indian cultural milieu. Part of this epic is the Gita, which is a battlefield exhortation by Krishna to Arjun at a time when Arjun was reluctant to fight against his Kaurava cousins. No one looks on the Mahabharat as a scripture, but apart from being an epic of the war between Pandavas and the Kauravas the Mahabharat is also a magnificent treatise on statecraft. The Sabha Parva, Anushasan Parva and Shanti Parva of Mahabharat contain the dialogue between sage Narad and King Yudhishtir and detailed pronouncements on dharma. For example, Narad, in the Anushasan Parva, defines the duty of the ruler in the following words: "The interest of all his subjects alone is his interest, their well-being is his well-being, that which is pleasant to them is pleasant to him and in their good lies his own good. Everything he has is for their sake: for his own sake he has nothing". Narad, in the Shanti Parva, advises: "The power of governance is to be exercised in accordance with dharma and not arbitrarily". In other words, the ruler is supposed to be austere and not personally acquisitive. He is required to rule according to law, that is, dharma and not according to his own whims and fancies. This establishes the supremacy of the rule of law. These are all principles that apply to any form of government. The word dharma used here has no religious connotation.

The principles laid down in the relevant portions of the Mahabharat are totally secular and do not form part of a particular religion or faith. In this the Mahabharat approximates to Kautilya's Arthashastra and his advice to Chandra Gupta Maurya in the matter of statecraft. Kautilya is also known as Chanakya. The Gita, however, goes beyond these Parvas of the Mahabharat. Krishna's advice on what constitutes duty applies to all people, regardless of the faith they profess. His statement that one should do one's duty regardless of consequences or the fruits of one's actions is wise and correct because duty is performed for its own sake and not because it will bring material reward. The words of the coat-of-arms of the Indian Administrative Service, which read Yogaha Karmasu Kaushalam' are from the Gita but they have no religious connotation and are an appropriate motto for a service that is supposed to lead, serve and work with competence and ability. To this extent there is nothing religious in the Gita.

However, the Gita is also the tract in which Krishna reveals his divinity, or Viraat Swaroop' to Arjun to convince him that he is the true avatar of Vishnu. It is in the Gita that Krishna states that he has always manifested himself as Vishnu incarnate amongst mankind when the situation so demands and that in every age he will appear as an avatar, or saviour, to save mankind from its own follies. To this extent the Gita is a scripture and every Hindu believes so.

Recently a court in Russia was petitioned for a ban on the Gita on the ground that it is not a religious book but is designed to promote extremism. Hindu organisations were outraged and pressurised government to fight the case in Russia. If it is not a holy book then why did Hindu organisations take up the matter of the Gita? If Gita is not a holy book then if someone burns or otherwise insults the Gita, would the perpetrator be liable for prosecution under Section 153A of Indian Penal Code? I only know that if a Muslim desecrates the Gita the Hindu reaction would be as violent as that of Muslims if the Quran were to be desecrated. People do not react this way to normal literature. As it is, in every religious congregation or event there is Gita Path as if it is a religious tract. To a Hindu the Gita is part of Hindu scriptures.

That being so, making lessons from the Gita mandatory in schools is contrary to the statement in the Preamble to the Constitution of India that India is a secular republic. Article 25 gives freedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religion. Equally, a person has a right not to listen to someone else's propagation of religion and because he has freedom of conscience he may reject an attempt to teach him what a religious book states. Article 51A in sub-clause (e) makes it the duty of every citizen to promote harmony and a spirit of common brotherhood transcending religious, linguistic and regional or sectional diversities. Making a study of a particular scripture compulsory in schools runs contrary to the spirit of Article 51A. To that extent one must disagree with the decision of the honourable high court and continue to believe that the Gita is not only a dharma granth, but for all Hindus has pride of place as a book of faith.

(Views expressed in the column are the author's own)

M N Buch, a former civil servant, is chairman, National Centre for Human Settlements and Environment, Bhopal.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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The Gita is NOT part of Hinduism because the essence of the Gita is not meant for only Hindus or even Indians. It's a universal message spoken by God for the stabilization of this horrible Kali Yuga. The GIta has been the subject of many of the world's most intelligent thinkers and/or great people in history (Einstein, thoreau, Gandhi and so on). I would even go as far as saying the Gita should be a part of all curriculum around the world.
But unless we recognize the symptoms of this sinful age of Kali, we can hardly begin on taking a cure (the Gita). But the problem lies in the fact that what we believe is mythology, what others believe is reality.

If Lord Jesus Christ existed, then I can say with all my confidence that Lord Krishna descended to this material world 5000 years ago.

(Note: I have the utmost respect for Christianity so please don't feel offended. Not trying to start a flame war, this is purely my opinion. Feel free to disagree)
Edited by spatel23 - 11 years ago
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I disagree with the proposition of teaching Gita in schools and I would say the same thing about Christian prayers or any other religious/philosophical instruction. The thing is India doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'secularism'. Secularism means separation of religion and public affairs of the state and not 'respect for all religions'. The latter may be called pluralism or multiculturalism but in no way secularism. The state in itself is supposed to be atheistic without acknowledging or being influenced by any religion at all. Therefore no religious scripture should ideally be taught at schools or public institutions.

As for Gita being universal, well, Christians and Muslims and Jews and Sikhs and practically every religion claims the same thing about their own texts and teachings.
In fact most of the teachings of Gita involve themes like devotion, worship, faith, karma, rebirth salvation etc which makes it very much theological like any other scripture. What about Krishna's claims of being the ultimate way to salvation? What about Gita's emphasis on caste system as a divine order? What about Gita holding inter-caste marriage responsible for moral decadence of society? Don't they violate the basic structure of our Constitution (besides secularism) and dilute our efforts to alleviate casteism in a society where dalit students are refused mid-day meal because brahmins and thakurs find that irksome or in one where a girl is publicly gang raped by the Khap panchayat because she married a boy from a lower caste?

So I have absolutely no idea how the MP court found it to be a non-religious text or its inclusion in public education as not being a violation of the Constitution.


Edit : However I think its OK to teach excerpts from Mahabharat or Gita as poetry or literature.
Edited by Rehanism - 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rehanism

I disagree with the proposition of teaching Gita in schools and I would say the same thing about Christian prayers or any other religious/philosophical instruction. The thing is India doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'secularism'. Secularism means separation of religion and public affairs of the state and not 'respect for all religions'. The latter may be called pluralism or multiculturalism but in no way secularism. The state in itself is supposed to be atheistic without acknowledging or being influenced by any religion at all. Therefore no religious scripture should ideally be taught at schools or public institutions.

As for Gita being universal, well, Christians and Muslims and Jews and Sikhs and practically every religion claims the same thing about their own texts and teachings.
In fact most of the teachings of Gita involve themes like devotion, worship, faith, karma, rebirth salvation etc which makes it very much theological like any other scripture. What about Krishna's claims of being the ultimate way to salvation? What about Gita's emphasis on caste system as a divine order? What about Gita holding inter-caste marriage responsible for moral decadence of society? Don't they violate the basic structure of our Constitution (besides secularism) and dilute our efforts to alleviate casteism in a society where dalit students are refused mid-day meal because brahmins and thakurs find that irksome or in one where a girl is publicly gang raped by the Khap panchayat because she married a boy from a lower caste?

So I have absolutely no idea how the MP court found it to be a non-religious text or its inclusion in public education as not being a violation of the Constitution.


Edit : However I think its OK to teach excerpts from Mahabharat or Gita as poetry or literature.


I agree with you about how the state should atheistic and should not include any theological content in the normal school curriculum. Schools are supposed to promote rational thought, the spirit of enquiry, critical and independent thinking and teach students to question authority. I do accept that the Gita has some universal ideas which can resonate with all, but that does not mean it should be made part of school curriculum. We must always ensure that only verifiable facts in history are included in textbooks and nothing else. Instead why not make our history textbooks better and include India's history from an objective point of view instead of promoting age old biases. Why not offer an insight into various conflicting theories by historians (for example arguments for and against the Aryan invasion theory), information about many ancient world civilizations and how history has shaped religion. (I know all of this might be too much for school children, but at least the foundation of these points should be laid)

The most they can do is allow schools to introduce a different optional subject/course in Hindu philosophy, theology, etc but it should not be part of the main curriculum .
Edited by ashwi_d - 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashwi_d


I agree with you about how the state should atheistic and should not include any theological content in the normal school curriculum. Schools are supposed to promote rational thought, the spirit of enquiry, critical and independent thinking and teach students to question authority.


But isn't this the idealism of western countries? I'm not talking about the inclusion of Gita in schools, but the whole "independent thinking" and "questioning authority" are very much western concepts. Why must India change its culture and teach concepts that are not a part of Eastern cultures? Eastern countries like India emphasize Interdependence and respecting authority, so why must they change it? Western countries themselves have a high awareness and respect for other cultures. So why should India change its culture and lose its roots? While I do support progressive India, I do not want it to be another America, because America is America and India is India. There is a beauty in both cultures and India should not have to lose its roots for what some people think is the "right" way of life.
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Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


But isn't this the idealism of western countries? I'm not talking about the inclusion of Gita in schools, but the whole "independent thinking" and "questioning authority" are very much western concepts. Why must India change its culture and teach concepts that are not a part of Eastern cultures? Eastern countries like India emphasize Interdependence and respecting authority, so why must they change it? Western countries themselves have a high awareness and respect for other cultures. So why should India change its culture and lose its roots? While I do support progressive India, I do not want it to be another America, because America is America and India is India. There is a beauty in both cultures and India should not have to lose its roots for what some people think is the "right" way of life.

I don't think you have understood the point I'm trying to make. I'm not endorsing values or culture attributed to America or any country in the west. I too am proud of our culture, languages, traditions and heritage. An awareness of these through what is taught in schools is not what I am contesting.

You might not have meant this in you post, but rejecting ideas solely because they are supposedly of western origin is not how we should be going about things IMO. How can embracing the above mentioned values undermine our cultural identity in any way? "Independent thinking" and "Questioning Authority" are in harmony with the principles of democracy prescribed by our constitution. Why do you think even the constitution is not spared from amendments? It is because one should not follow authority blindly and everything needs revision, upgradation with time. Of course I'm not denying that the Gita has some very universal values but in the end it promotes some theological doctrines as Rehanism has pointed out. Do you have any objections to the above values, apart from the fact that they are said to have originated in the west?

With respect to your argument of preserving our traditions and culture, which is commendable, how are these going to be compromised by the above values that I have mentioned?

My point in the post was that schools should teach their pupils to insist on facts and verifiable evidence rather than appeal to religious authority when it comes to acquiring knowledge and information.The Bhagwad Gita comes more under spirituality whose inclusion in the subject matter of main curricula in public schools implies promoting a certain idea of God/higher power/ way of life. What schools can do is include the basic tenets of major world religions within curricula or offer an optional subject or course in Hindu philosophy if they wish to. Textbooks should offer contrary view points to the theories that they teach (which is specially applicable to social sciences). This is called objectivity and unbiasedness, Besides religion and spirituality are matters of personal choice.
Moreover, from what I've read, the BG is an amalgamation of various schools of thought prevalent duing the Vedic times and is a subject area for research. Here is a link to what I've read regarding this: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/mahabharat/3977933/bhagwad-gita-and-the-concept-of-brahman
Edited by Ashwini_D - 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


But isn't this the idealism of western countries? I'm not talking about the inclusion of Gita in schools, but the whole "independent thinking" and "questioning authority" are very much western concepts. Why must India change its culture and teach concepts that are not a part of Eastern cultures? Eastern countries like India emphasize Interdependence and respecting authority, so why must they change it? Western countries themselves have a high awareness and respect for other cultures. So why should India change its culture and lose its roots? While I do support progressive India, I do not want it to be another America, because America is America and India is India. There is a beauty in both cultures and India should not have to lose its roots for what some people think is the "right" way of life.


Equality irrespective of birth, Democracy, Secularism, Human Rights, Constitution etc are also 'Western' concepts by that standard. Should we do away with them too in our zeal of narrow ultra-conservatism and cultural relativism? In reality these are not western or eastern. They are human values that give a chance to every person regardless of their origin or personal beliefs, or lack of it, to think and live and be themselves. That's the reason makers of our country adopted them. Even the West came out of the Dark Ages and became inclusive and progressive only after it banished religion from the government houses and schools. The fact today people from all walks are pulled towards the West and feel accepted is because of these broad values not despite them.

If you want to follow Gita or stick to your roots, there's no one stopping you, but why indoctrinate kids even before they grow a mind of their own? Like the person above asked, what problem do you find in these so-called 'Western' values or how does independence of thought and questioning authority jeopardize your values? For the sake of inclusive growth Public education should be rational and neutral and independent of any theological/partisan influence. Or else it will inevitably turn into a tool for propaganda and hamper social development. Want an example? See our good neighbour Pakistan.

Lastly, stagnation is death and dynamism is life. If a society or a culture cannot evolve or adapt to time, its nothing but a dead carcass. And a carcass can neither help nor guide. It can only stink and rot and suffocate all life in its vicinity. It must be disposed off for good so new life can grow in its place.


Edited by Rehanism - 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashwi_d


I agree with you about how the state should atheistic and should not include any theological content in the normal school curriculum. Schools are supposed to promote rational thought, the spirit of enquiry, critical and independent thinking and teach students to question authority. I do accept that the Gita has some universal ideas which can resonate with all, but that does not mean it should be made part of school curriculum. We must always ensure that only verifiable facts in history are included in textbooks and nothing else. Instead why not make our history textbooks better and include India's history from an objective point of view instead of promoting age old biases. Why not offer an insight into various conflicting theories by historians (for example arguments for and against the Aryan invasion theory), information about many ancient world civilizations and how history has shaped religion. (I know all of this might be too much for school children, but at least the foundation of these points should be laid)

The most they can do is allow schools to introduce a different optional subject/course in Hindu philosophy, theology, etc but it should not be part of the main curriculum .



Many people have this wrong impression that America is an entirely secular country in practice. While that's true on papers, but in reality America's public life has deep religious influence and there's a strong lobby to introduce theology in schools. 65% Americans oppose evolution and 46% believe the Biblical creation myth is literally true and the earth is 6000 years old. Even upto this day creationists with huge popular support are battling hard to introduce creationism in text books and in many schools under fundamentalist influence try to ridicule and discourage teaching of evolution and scientific ideas that contradict the bible.

So while 'spiritual' education may appear harmless at the face, but its real political consequences are dangerous. Once you let religion slip in in bits, it will slowly replace reason and science and you won't find a way to stop it without being accused of 'offending religious sentiments' which, apparently, is a capital crime.


[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxBUyHbn2E[/YOUTUBE]

As for courses in Hindu studies or comparative religions, that's already there in every major UG/PG institution both in India and abroad.
Edited by Rehanism - 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashwi_d

I don't think you have understood the point I'm trying to make. I'm not endorsing values or culture attributed to America or any country in the west. I too am proud of our culture, languages, traditions and heritage. An awareness of these through what is taught in schools is not what I am contesting.

You might not have meant this in you post, but rejecting ideas solely because they are supposedly of western origin is not how we should be going about things IMO. How can embracing the above mentioned values undermine our cultural identity in any way? "Independent thinking" and "Questioning Authority" are in harmony with the principles of democracy prescribed by our constitution. Why do you think even the constitution is not spared from amendments? It is because one should not follow authority blindly and everything needs revision, upgradation with time. Of course I'm not denying that the Gita has some very universal values but in the end it promotes some theological doctrines as Rehanism has pointed out. Do you have any objections to the above values, apart from the fact that they are said to have originated in the west?

With respect to your argument of preserving our traditions and culture, which is commendable, how are these going to be compromised by the above values that I have mentioned?

My point in the post was that schools should teach their pupils to insist on facts and verifiable evidence rather than appeal to authority when it comes to acquiring knowledge and information.The Bhagwad Gita comes more under spirituality whose inclusion in the subject matter of main curricula in public schools implies promoting a certain idea of God/higher power/ way of life. What schools can do is include the basic tenets of major world religions within curricula or offer an optional subject or course in Hindu philosophy if they wish to. Textbooks should offer contrary view points to the theories that they teach (which is specially applicable to social sciences). This is called objectivity and unbiasedness, Besides religion and spirituality are matters of personal choice.
Moreover, from what I've read, the BG is an amalgamation of various schools of thought prevalent duing the Vedic times and is a subject area for research. Here is a link to what I've read regarding this: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/mahabharat/3977933/bhagwad-gita-and-the-concept-of-brahman


Sorry, I think I misunderstood your point. :P I thought you were saying that Indian schools should follow western schools in their system, but it makes sense now that you were saying.

As far as incorporating Gita into schools, I think it can be allowed in Private Hindu Schools, but yeah public schools should remain secular. Like in America, there are Public schools and there are Catholic/Baptist schools. In public schools, there is no religion incorporated at all, whereas in Catcholic/Baptist schools, studying the bible is part of the curriculum. Going to Catholic/Baptist schools is an option for parents but not required.

Likewise, if parents want their children to learn Gita in school, that can definitely be an option but it shouldn't be incorporated in public schools. They can be incorporated in Hindu-centric schools and parents can send their kids there instead of public schools, if they want. But public schools should remain secular.
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Originally posted by: Rehanism



Many people have this wrong impression that America is an entirely secular country in practice. While that's true on papers, but in reality America's public life has deep religious influence and there's a strong lobby to introduce theology in schools. 65% Americans oppose evolution and 46% believe the Biblical creation myth is literally true and the earth is 6000 years old. Even upto this day creationists with huge popular support are battling hard to introduce creationism in text books and in many schools under fundamentalist influence try to ridicule and discourage teaching of evolution and scientific ideas that contradict the bible.

So while 'spiritual' education may appear harmless at the face, but its real political consequences are dangerous. Once you let religion slip in in bits, it will slowly replace reason and science and you won't find a way to stop it without being accused of 'offending religious sentiments' which, apparently, is a capital crime.


[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxBUyHbn2E[/YOUTUBE]

As for courses in Hindu studies or comparative religions, that's already there in every major UG/PG institution both in India and abroad.


Thanks for sharing the video. I had read about the growing lobby of inclusion of biblical ideas in the school curriculum. Thanks for shedding some insight into the matter as well. 😊 Lately I see the word 'propaganda' being thrown around quite a lot in the American context. However, and unfortunately so, the same can be said to be true of India as well.

P.S- I found an excellent video of a talk by Richard Dawkins in the related videos.
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