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Posted: 11 years ago
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Jan50 and Kristal watz.. These are really heart wrenching stories !
Here ... we have to examine the psychoanalysis of the criminal .
Yes ...it is pathetic ...depressing ...no ...not now ! Unable to think...
Tomorrow ...i have to write on this point ...with this resolution ,
for the time being i am retiring !!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I am in agreement with the positivity of the feeling that any problem is not insurmountable. However while diseases are largely a health phenomena rape is a crime against a female having social ramifications both in its cause and effect. The problem is further aggravated because of various issues relating to woman in the society like the attitude of the society towards them in all walks of their life. As a girl child she is unwanted, faces neglect in her upbringing making her physically and mentally weak and numerous curbs stunts her personality. On the other side the male perception of a female results in finding crimes against her as a manifestation of solution of men's problems. Such a complex issue requires a long drawn effort on various fronts. A change in the attitude of human being and the society is very difficult to be solved by pills, preventive vaccination and scientific innovation. The only solution to such a problem is all out efforts by the society to help fight out this menace.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

^^Incestual rapes happen in every country, in every culture and economic background. Joseph Fritzl is a case in point. Two years before last, there had been a spurt in the reporting of such father-on-daughter rapes. It...makes you sick. 🤢


In India, the reporting has increased due to spread of awareness. I think, earlier, the girls and their mother were afraid to report such things, but now they know that they should report and not shield the guilty family member.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Debbiee


Hema, I was wondering how much talent we got hidden in our country.

We have/had an Indira Gandhi, a Sushma Swaraj and a Mamata Banerjee.
I was trying to remember, who among the leading female leaders last time discussed this issue at length? How many of them even offered solutions?

Where there is a will, there is a way. There might be many who would come forward and say, "Rape could never be eradicated". For me, it's just like someone said once
1. Polio, smallpox could never be eradicated
2. A man can never fly on the sky
3. Man can only dream to touch the moon

In the era of rocket, we are saying we can not fight RAPE? We need to rethink then 😊


I do not want to sound like spreading pessimism, but I do believe that it is not possible to eradicate rape. Polio, smallpox etc. are diseases caused by virus - for that vaccine can be created and immunization can be successfully implemented. A man flying and going to moon (even Mars or beyond the solar system) is possible because it is dependent on advancement of science and suitable inventions. But rape, theft, murder etc. are because of human nature - that is why it is difficult to eradicate. For eradication of these evils, the humans have to leave their materialistic ways and go back to earlier ways of living. I want to quote what I read in an article on tribals-

"Tribals are not known for raping their women, beating and abusing their children, exploiting nature beyond satisfying the minimum human needs, lending money at interest, burning widows, and above all things segregating and stratifying labour in terms of caste."

This may not be the ultimate truth, but it is true that the lesser the greed in humans, the lesser the evils like theft, murder, rape etc. Sadly, it is not expected that humans will leave their materialistic ways and revert to earlier simple ways. Our only hope is spreading the awareness and equipping girls/women with enough power to fight of an attacker, and also strong laws and speedy trials to deal with the culprits.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Rape Within Family and Solution

Unfortunately genetic sexual attraction has remained here since ages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction)

I was in my early teens when I read an ancient poem where it was described how a father (who was the mightiest king of his time) had raped his daughter and then pushed her from the cliff of a hill. She becomes pregnant and later takes revenge. I was so scared I could not talk to my father for 2 weeks. At last my mother came to my rescue and my father(who is a doc) explained me that those sort of things happened even in past; however are very rare.

Later once counselling a lady much later she told me that she had been abused by her own maternal uncle when very young. She must be 4-5-6 years old then and could not make out the meaning. However the dark memory did not let her have a healthy sex life for years. She had her aversion to sex for life. Recently I read an article similar to this (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-528696/The-monster-family--I-sexually-abused-father-says-Nolan-Sisters-star-Anne.html )

Also here is an article which says how a young boy commits rape to his sister ( ) after watching po*n.

Here is an article which describes some solution (https://www.psychpage.com/family/library/sib_abuse2.htm )

The causes might be (it says). Abuse can arise in an environment that:

1. Fails to protect the child, though poor supervision/monitoring and poor choices regarding babysitters and surrogate caretakers

2. Fails to set appropriate boundaries though inappropriate sleeping arrangements and clear parent-child hierarchies for child care

3. Lacks supervision and care by two parents

4. Is based on a multi-familial home were older children have caretaking responsibility for younger children

5. Allows physical abuse and neglect has a rigid family structure, discouraging open communication between children and parents, children and outsiders, and even between parents.

In families where abuse occurs, the dysfunction that led to the abuse may also lead to a poor response once the abuse is discovered. Wiehe (1990) noted that poorly responding families typically:

  • Denied the allegations of abuse
  • Ignored or minimized the abuse, explaining it as normal child behavior
  • Acknowledged the abuse, but blamed or otherwise punished the abused child
  • Acknowledged the abuse, but failed to protect the child and halt it
  • Acknowledged the abuse, but their own dysfunction prevented them from responding to alter the environment
Poorly responding families may be perpetuating the abuse in two ways.

First, they fail to halt the abuse in the home.

Second, by failing in this, they create a sense that the child can not be protected, and that the perpetrator was "chosen" over the victim.

Such actions and the feelings of helplessness and rejection that result may prompt the abused child to become an abuser as well, seeking power and revenge (Johnson, 1989).
Edited by Debbiee - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: SPuja


I do not want to sound like spreading pessimism, but I do believe that it is not possible to eradicate rape. Polio, smallpox etc. are diseases caused by virus - for that vaccine can be created and immunization can be successfully implemented. A man flying and going to moon (even Mars or beyond the solar system) is possible because it is dependent on advancement of science and suitable inventions. But rape, theft, murder etc. are because of human nature - that is why it is difficult to eradicate. For eradication of these evils, the humans have to leave their materialistic ways and go back to earlier ways of living. I want to quote what I read in an article on tribals-

"Tribals are not known for raping their women, beating and abusing their children, exploiting nature beyond satisfying the minimum human needs, lending money at interest, burning widows, and above all things segregating and stratifying labour in terms of caste."

This may not be the ultimate truth, but it is true that the lesser the greed in humans, the lesser the evils like theft, murder, rape etc. Sadly, it is not expected that humans will leave their materialistic ways and revert to earlier simple ways. Our only hope is spreading the awareness and equipping girls/women with enough power to fight of an attacker, and also strong laws and speedy trials to deal with the culprits.


Appreciate your thoughts SPuja and thanks for participating and adding your comments. It's not easy for everyone to write on such a subject so complex. I know that we are not discussing a scientific invention but altering human nature. It sounds impossible in today's era. May be 100 years from now people would laugh at us that till year 2020/30/40 there was something inhuman called rape in this world. It would be similar to the fact that we laugh how kings used to have hundreds of wives few years down the line.

I am not sure which tribe the article was written on. I have been born and bred in Odisha which is the hub to a large percentage of tribal people in India. I have observed that rapes are very common among them. In their area they have autocracy rather than democracy. Sometimes the tribal leader orders gang-rape for a woman. Here is an article on this http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bengal-gang-rape-tribal-leaders-support-court-say-girl-lied/article1-1176094.aspx

May be in some tribal area, rape do not happen. I won't rule out the possibility. As I said before, tribal areas hae autocracy. If they have a good leader (like we had Rama, Ashoka, Vikramaditya, Akbar) who could prevent rape in their area for a certain time.

Edited by Debbiee - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Debbiee


Appreciate your thoughts SPuja and thanks for participating and adding your comments. It's not easy for everyone to write on such a subject so complex. I know that we are not discussing a scientific invention but altering human nature. It sounds impossible in today's era. May be 100 years from now people would laugh at us that till year 2020/30/40 there was something inhuman called rape in this world. It would be similar to the fact that we laugh how kings used to have hundreds of wives few years down the line.

I am not sure which tribe the article was written on. I have been born and bred in Odisha which is the hub to a large percentage of tribal people in India. I have observed that rapes are very common among them. In their area they have autocracy rather than democracy. Sometimes the tribal leader orders gang-rape for a woman. Here is an article on this http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bengal-gang-rape-tribal-leaders-support-court-say-girl-lied/article1-1176094.aspx

May be in some tribal area, rape do not happen. I won't rule out the possibility. As I said before, tribal areas hae autocracy. If they have a good leader (like we had Rama, Ashoka, Vikramaditya, Akbar) who could prevent rape in their area for a certain time.


That article was in The Hindu and about tribals in general - this may not be the ultimate truth, but I believe that the society of tribals were mostly untouched with modern evils. The recent rape case of tribal girl was not in isolated tribal society, but in tribal society trying to fit-in with the modern world. Somehow, it is easier to follow wrong customs and bad influence from others (like children learning bad things - abusing/violence very fast than good things from others). An article on BBC News - "http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-25855719" also worth reading. It is about same Santhal tribals who were involved in the recent rape case. The best thing that I saw in this article was - "it is said that they use poisoned arrows in hunting, but never against their foes"

If we can achieve that much restraint in our conduct, we can eradicate the evils like rape.

PS: I searched for the article I read years ago in some magzine (before internet became common in India) about tribals, but could not find it. Google mostly led to just recent case and Mathura case - these two articles were the ones which discuss the tribals in general and not the recent case.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nepali woman gang-raped in Delhi

22 hours ago this happened again in Delhi ...

.Everywhere ...under the sky ... since time immemorial...on the earth...in every continent ...every minute it is happening!

Our sisters ...daughters ...friends, if not we ...what is the real solution ?

  • A 19-year-old woman from Nepal was raped by four men, of which three have been arrested, police said Wednesday.

  • One of the accused was known to the victim and took her to an isolated place in south Delhi's Vasant Kunj area Tuesday evening. The woman was raped in turns by the man she knew and his friends, who threatened her with dire consequences if she told anyone about the incident. The woman called the police and informed them about the assault. The man she knew is on the run.

    Police said Ankit Bhargava, 26, was nabbed from the spot, while two others - Sandeep, 25 and Ashish, 20 - were arrested later from the same area.

    All the accused are unemployed. Police said the man who was known to the woman had assured her of a job as domestic help somewhere.

Edited by SEETHA.K - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: SEETHA.K

Nepali woman gang-raped in Delhi

22 hours ago this happened again in Delhi ...

.Everywhere ...under the sky ... since time immemorial...on the earth...in every continent ...every minute it is happening!

Our sisters ...daughters ...friends, if not we ...what is the real solution ?

  • A 19-year-old woman from Nepal was raped by four men, of which three have been arrested, police said Wednesday.

  • One of the accused was known to the victim and took her to an isolated place in south Delhi's Vasant Kunj area Tuesday evening. The woman was raped in turns by the man she knew and his friends, who threatened her with dire consequences if she told anyone about the incident. The woman called the police and informed them about the assault. The man she knew is on the run.

    Police said Ankit Bhargava, 26, was nabbed from the spot, while two others - Sandeep, 25 and Ashish, 20 - were arrested later from the same area.

    All the accused are unemployed. Police said the man who was known to the woman had assured her of a job as domestic help somewhere.


The "Rape Capital of the world", so do people say.

What was the girl's mistake? She was in a new place with new people.

Many people would question her awareness. However I did the same mistake many times in my youth. I travelled alone to different countries and had to rely on unknown people. However this did not happen to me. It does not happen to all.

However Govt in national tele should telecast awareness programs for ladies. Serials like "Sabdhan India", "Crime patrol" etc should be telecast in the evening than in late nights. Girls whose parents do not tell their daughters to be carefully, need to learn this from somewhere.

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