I sit here typing like I have nothing better to do *grumble* 😆
Alright my dear, dhanka gentleman...solely for the sake of debate, as I am not overly attached to Sush, nor do I know enough of her life in detail to support every comment I make.
Originally posted by: chatbuster
ok, but seriously i fail to see how sushmita is a woman of substance.
Can we define substance first 😕 Qwerts has me so confused! 😉 Seriously though... this ends up becoming rather subjective, don't you think?
nice-sounding platitudes that she comes up with? Of the two, based on several interviews, Sush is admittedly a better public speaker. As for platitudes and diplomacy...well what in India isn't steeped in politics at some level?
or the dialogs about how much she loves her parents and her adopted kid? in what way is she a role model?
At a time when there have been so many news pieces on ungrateful idiots leaving their parents in shoddy old age homes (😡 that's topic for another debate) and are abusing them left and right, be it physically, emotionally or verbally, it is good to see public figures (not only Sush) demonstrating the tradition and culture of our heritage (ie: respecting the elders, loving our parents, etc. etc.). Like it or not, Bollywood is a world full of icons and role models.
Adopting a child, while not something worthy of a Nobel prize or over-recognition as many around the world also do so, is something notable. It was a personal choice that need not be scrutinized, though the media and fans will do just that.
do we really want to advocate her kind of life-style for the masses of women out there? would they be happier/ better off staying single and adopting kids?
Again, it was a personal choice on her part. As far as I can remember from interviews, she felt ready to take on the responsibility of motherhood at that point in life but was not in a steady and long-lasting relationship that allowed room for getting pregnant and bearing her own child. So she opted to adopt. It's not a trend she's trying to start and if masses of women were foolish enough to follow her lead, that too in the Indian society, then there would be cause for concern. However, obviously, Sush's actions years ago did not trigger a country-wide "epidemic" of single women going about adopting children. There is a lesson on compassion to be taken from her actions however. It would have been equally easy for Sush to either get pregnant via a relationship or artificial insemination. Neither of which she chose (of course, I have no idea on whether any medical reasons factor in). Instead she chose to adopt a baby from within the country... and in a country of a population of 1bill.+ where adoption agencies are overrun with children, it's an avenue some (those suited to it) might want to consider.
again, i am not passing judgment on her, just that i dont feel hers are the kind of choices we should be pushing on to others.
Who's pushing her one action? I certainly appreciate her conviction in adopting and raising a child on her own. I do so more because she did it in a country where such actions are largely either frowned upon or altogether shunned. It's not that I'm ecouraging a complete rebellion against culture and tradition, but adopting children shouldn't be influenced by the thought of social inacceptance. That just doesn't make sense to me and probably has a lot to do with the world I've seen in America.
Returning to the point of "pushing others" ... as mentioned, no wide-spread action from people to go and adopt as single parents, nor a large advocacy movement to do the same. It's just something she's known for having done because a) it is not an altogether frequent occurance in Indian society and b) she's a nationally recognized icon
career-wise, she's also nowhere compared to aish. so what gives?
Perhaps her career hasn't been littered with roles, but her performance in most has been of quality. I really can't say the same for Aish...and that's not personal bais speaking, that is purely a critical statement on performance.now take aish. she made her millions and like madhuri b4 her, decided to tie the knot, and that too with the heir to a very illustrious family, someone who's accomplished in his own right, someone who is much better than the kind of losers that sush hangs out with (and ive seen some of that in india and here in the US when she was shooting at someone's place and holding up shoppers at a boutique cos she wanted to try out all the clothes).
What was that about no personal comments as we don't know these women? 😛 Woah! How do Aish and Madhuri's actions compare? 😆 Many Bollywood women have tied the knot. Please .. do refrain from puting Aish and Madhuri in the same category! 😲 That's just not ... 😕 Rahul, what on earth were you thinking? 😛
Ah... now we're criticizing associates as well? Can't say that I can comment as I haven't followed either women's lives that closely 😛so even if aish now chooses to dump her career (which from all indications she's not doing), so what? the idea of achieving success early on is to be able to pursue the other things one wants in one's life. didnt michael jordan retire first time around when he turned 29? when does someone stop being a woman of substance coz they decide that the guy they've married and their family is very important to them? what did jaya bachchan do? didnt she give it all up? but i suppose she'll pass off as a woman of substance coz she doesnt arouse the female insecurities.
For a woman like Aish, dumping her career would be next to impossible. She is an internationally recognized woman who is far too strong a name in the industry to just give it all up. I've never linked her marrying to her losing "substance" .. I just never thought she had much to begin with (and the giggling really doesn't help! 😛) I suppose our definititions of "women of substance" varies greatly as I do not see the connection between marriage and/or becoming a housewife and losing that "status." As for arousing female insecurities...darling you're way off base on that one, at least in regards to me. I'm in no way jealous of Mrs. Bachchan jr. I merely lack respect for her based on her actions and personality (the skewed version media presents to me at any rate).if anything, aish has tried to bring back some of the family values and the old traditions. so wat's wrong with the tree stuff? that's superstition/ religious belief like a countless others that people do, including some very intelligent ones. the rational smart intelligent thing is at times to do one's utmost to blend in and fit. that opens doors to acceptance and trust within the family, a goal perhaps more important than flaunting one's independence.
Superstitions are a part of every culture and religion. Media is a part of our daily lives. Movie stars are media's favorite subject of discussion. You do the math 😛 Whether or not she married a tree is of no concern to me. It neither added nor detracted from my view of her or the Bachchan family... It merely strengthened my belief that the Indian media is an irresponsible bunch of politically and monetarily controlled idiots (and that was me being nice! 😲 😆)
Personally speaking, I don't put much stock in the concept of being Manglik, etc. (Wasn't Big B just in a movie where that was a neg. point on behalf of the bride to be and he ignored it? Something like that anyway). It's not something I am very familiar with and therefore, I suppose, I don't give it much importance.
Rahul... you're too much of a distraction! 😛 😆
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