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Posted: 11 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: princessunara



<font color="#0066cc" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif" size="2"> Evie, here i agree with Swati. cz all we r attributing to Rudra is assumed pain and suffering and justifying him to a certain extent.
But Paro is truly suffering at THIS moment!

His suffering was never that bad that dying as preferable to living. Hers was, is and will be!

Rudra the child faced a loss, and after his dad took him away we can safely assume that maybe the home atmosphere wasn't the best, but he had a normal upbringing in the outside world where no1 knew anything to humiliate him further and rake his wounds. So the emotionally disconnected man is a grown up. Ya issues r there, but nothing that is so devastating as with Paro's case..
So I won't for the foreseeable future feel sorry for Rudra as opposed to Paro and what he puts her through.

I won't crucify him either as long as I feel its his duty. I just won't empathize of sympathize with him and his brand of behavior.

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sunara what bothers me most is this girl is willing to die she wants to commit suicide she has reached the end of her tether she keeps repeating let me die and if that does not grab attention then what does His is the past which he has covered with his arrogance else he wont have taken over the house but hers is in the now so I don't find anything lovey dovey about his actions tonight Reminds me more of the last dinner doled out to a convict before execution
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Posted: 11 years ago
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alright one more epiphany after reading more
tonight it reminded me of the Last supper a convict has before facing execution Everyone is kind and nice Remember the Green Mile genre
silence of the lambs most apt
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Posted: 11 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: princessunara



Evie, here i agree with Swati. cz all we r attributing to Rudra is assumed pain and suffering and justifying him to a certain extent.
But Paro is truly suffering at THIS moment!

His suffering was never that bad that dying as preferable to living. Hers was, is and will be!

Rudra the child faced a loss, and after his dad took him away we can safely assume that maybe the home atmosphere wasn't the best, but he had a normal upbringing in the outside world where no1 knew anything to humiliate him further and rake his wounds. So the emotionally disconnected man is a grown up. Ya issues r there, but nothing that is so devastating as with Paro's case..
So I won't for the foreseeable future feel sorry for Rudra as opposed to Paro and what he puts her through.

I won't crucify him either as long as I feel its his duty. I just won't empathize of sympathize with him and his brand of behavior.

I need to go..but this damn discussion is too gripping...😆
ok...about the pain..as I see it Paro is the stronger one here. Hats off to the lady, but she has phenomenally absorbed her pain. She, seemingly so fragile, so frail, has taken the horrific incidents of her life, in her stride. She has not only realized her loss, but has to a certain extent even come to terms with it. Rudra, on the other hand is way more weaker than her. He is still trying to cope with a shock that left him paralyzed years back. As far as pain management is concerned, she is eons ahead of Rudra. I am not denying or belittling her pain, just saying that she needs no pity here. If anyone is capable of handling such a tragic turn of events, it has to be Paro. And neither am I pitying Rudra, or magnifying his agony, just pointing out his inadequacy.
In reality, I have noticed the same, time n time again. Women, the so called weaker sex, are always the stronger one. They are always more resilient, more tougher, more capable of getting up back on their feet and fighting back than men. It's the way nature has made them.
Another example, Paro too has lost her parents at a tender age, but unlike Rudra, she has lived through that tragedy too. So in my eyes, Paro is the tougher one, and ultimately she is the one who will not only pull herself out but also force Rudra out of his miserable existence. Wanna bet??
A very clichd old saying...God knows the strength of his creations...and so distributes his wealth, tears or smiles.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: napstermonster


God, I'm disagreeing with all my favorite females today! Does she have to be headstrong and defiant to win her dreams, to win, though? I for one really had no problem watching an almost silent, dreamy, gentle Paro the first few weeks. I wonder, honestly, how much of our expectation for some dhamaka and talking back is actually KKG flashbacks--we see that face, and we almost subconsciously expect fireworks, anger, passion, a girl standing up for herself no matter what the odds.

But I like this Paro. If the story holds to Othello, Desdemona was the flower to Otherllo's thornys stem--truly soft, gentle, kind, naive. And I'm a little tired of spunky heroines who conquer the world with their spirit. There are so many other kinds of women who's strength is not necessarily in being tough cookies. There are other ways to get the man!

Paro, the introverted girl who speaks to butterflies----who barely studied till class five and never set foot outside her village--who literally thinks she can sing and be allowed to leave an army camp--who climbs to a shelf to avoid a mouse--can this Paro be defiant? SHOULD she be defiant? Who's taught her to fight in her entire sheltered life? When she was being attacked by three men, she literally never, not once, lifted her hand in true KKG style to land a punch or fight back--she wilted, and she was afraid.

A lot of women would do that. And a lot of them would need the rescue! The hero is a man from the army, a truly masculine specimen bred to protect and serve, for God's sake! Let him rescue! I'm not saying she should tolerate abuse--but nor should she be defiant when she doesn't know how.

I want to see the way gentleness, softness, innocence tames the beast. The feminine ways a soft, kind, shy and vulnerable child-woman gets the ultimate dark anti-hero to cherish and protect and worship her. That's a love story too. I've seen the other version on Youtube a hundred times!


Nicely put! And after having read your profound thoughts, I do agree with the gist of your post.

I don't know if you have heard of or seen an old movie of Sharmila Tagore's called Anupama.
Her character in that is very very meek, gentle and calm. After reading your post I got reminded of that for some reason.

I guess I still have not gotten over Ms Chamkili and although Paro is poles apart from her and completely different, the mind just wants to see Paro becoming stronger and more vocal.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: napstermonster



<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3" color="#0000ff">God, I'm disagreeing with all my favorite females today! Does she have to be headstrong and defiant to win her dreams, to win, though? I for one really had no problem watching an almost silent, dreamy, gentle Paro the first few weeks. I wonder, honestly, how much of our expectation for some dhamaka and talking back is actually KKG flashbacks--we see that face, and we almost subconsciously expect fireworks, anger, passion, a girl standing up for herself no matter what the odds.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3" color="#0000ff">But I like this Paro. If the story holds to Othello, Desdemona was the flower to Otherllo's thornys stem--truly soft, gentle, kind, naive. And I'm a little tired of spunky heroines who conquer the world with their spirit. There are so many other kinds of women who's strength is not necessarily in being tough cookies. There are other ways to get the man!</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3" color="#0000ff">Paro, the introverted girl who speaks to butterflies----who barely studied till class five and never set foot outside her village--who literally thinks she can sing and be allowed to leave an army camp--who climbs to a shelf to avoid a mouse--can this Paro be defiant? SHOULD she be defiant? Who's taught her to fight in her entire sheltered life? When she was being attacked by three men, she literally never, not once, lifted her hand in true KKG style to land a punch or fight back--she wilted, and she was afraid.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3" color="#0000ff">A lot of women would do that. And a lot of them would need the rescue! The hero is a man from the army, a truly masculine specimen bred to protect and serve, for God's sake! Let him rescue! I'm not saying she should tolerate abuse--but nor should she be defiant when she doesn't know how.
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. I've seen the other version on Youtube a hundred times!


gosh napster how many Grinch dopplegangers I have to encounter tonight 😆 Paro has stymied me Rudra right now is larger than life given his character build the lines the scenes his POV his history
I too want to see that but fear it may just end up some shit fest dedicated to the male


I want to see the way gentleness, softness, innocence tames the beast. The feminine ways a soft, kind, shy and vulnerable child-woman gets the ultimate dark anti-hero to cherish and protect and worship her. That's a love story too

again u echoed
and thanks for the female fav bit 😆 gosh nap u seem to be my inner voice I have been having trouble with my memory lately and you seem to be an extension of what I want to write but unable I am grateful
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: napstermonster


God, I'm disagreeing with all my favorite females today! Does she have to be headstrong and defiant to win, though? I for one really had no problem watching an almost silent, dreamy, gentle Paro the first few weeks. I wonder, honestly, how much of our expectation for some dhamaka and talking back is actually KKG flashbacks--we see that face, and we almost subconsciously expect fireworks, anger, passion, a girl standing up for herself no matter what the odds.

But I like this Paro. If the story holds to Othello, Desdemona was the flower to Othello's thorny stem--truly soft, gentle, kind, naive. And I'm a little tired of spunky heroines who conquer the world with their spirit. There are so many other kinds of women who's strength does not lie in being tough cookies. There are other ways to get the man!

Paro, the introverted girl who speaks to butterflies----who barely studied till class five and never set foot outside her village--who literally thinks she can sing and be allowed to leave an army camp--who climbs to a shelf to avoid a mouse--can this Paro be defiant? SHOULD she be defiant? Who's taught her to fight in her entire sheltered life? When she was being attacked by three men, she literally never, not once, lifted her hand in true KKG style to land a punch or fight back--she wilted, and she was afraid.

A lot of women would do that. And a lot of them would need the rescue! The hero is a man from the army, a truly masculine specimen bred to protect and serve, for God's sake! Let him rescue! I'm not saying she should tolerate abuse--but nor should she be defiant when she doesn't know how.

I want to see the way gentleness, softness, innocence tames the beast. The feminine ways a soft, kind, shy and vulnerable child-woman gets the ultimate dark anti-hero to cherish and protect and worship her. That's a love story too. I've seen the other version on Youtube a hundred times!



FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY!! someone who echoes my thoughts!! 🤗

I never wanted Paro to be headstrong and a fighter! She is like the proverbial bamboo tree.. she bends wherever the strong wind blows.. but she doesn't break and she stands again once the storm is over..

I also think its KKG all want to see and then become disappointed otherwise!

We always saw bubbly girl and broody man. I wanted this time to be innocence that conquers it all not fighting!
As Sanaya said in that off screen interview 'fighting uski khoon mein nahi hai' - i think the makes have gotten it right too n hope they keep it that way!

I also want this different love story! Her sheer innocence, naivety and pureness softening, his stone heart.. thawing him.. till his protective instincts are raised..

And a very good point about the way she handled the situation while she was being molested! She cried n broke down, tried to shrink away, but didn't raise a finger to even push away the tormentors!! that is who Paro is.. and i wish that innocence, her sense of being is retained..

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: FairyLiquidSoap


sunara what bothers me most is this girl is willing to die she wants to commit suicide she has reached the end of her tether she keeps repeating let me die and if that does not grab attention then what does His is the past which he has covered with his arrogance else he wont have taken over the house but hers is in the now so I don't find anything lovey dovey about his actions tonight Reminds me more of the last dinner doled out to a convict before execution



very true, the only way i justify Rudra is duty and duty alone! (and i pretty much justify every single thing he has done till nw and don't find him at all wrong!)
For me his treatment of Paro is not at all justified or even explained through his so called bad past!

He covers it with arrogance as u said, n she still gets nightmares of fire and BSD till she is a grown up over her parents's death! And if that isn't psychological turmoil equal if not bigger than his, i don't know what is! I spoke abt this much earlier the moment they showcased the nightmare.. that gave me hope that this is no happy go lucky female whose emotions makers will always brush under the carpet. This woman is hurting every living second and it shows!

yes, she is willing to die.. she wishes and prays for death cz death is better than living for her now! So i honestly get baffled why females sympathize more with him and r ready with lots of handkerchiefs for imaginary levels of hurt and ask why she is crying or belittling her pain n for wanting to take her life or simply is broken! She is oscillating b/w the various stages of PSTD... I always am baffled when i see 'all she does is crying' kinda mentality.. 😕

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: princessunara



<font color="#0066cc" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif" size="2"> very true, the only way i justify Rudra is duty and duty alone! (and i pretty much justify every single thing he has done till nw and don't find him at all wrong!)
For me his treatment of Paro is not at all justified or even explained through his so called bad past!

He covers it with arrogance as u said, n she still gets nightmares of fire and BSD till she is a grown up over her parents's death! And if that isn't psychological turmoil equal if not bigger than his, i don't know what is! I spoke abt this much earlier the moment they showcased the nightmare.. that gave me hope that this is no happy go lucky female whose emotions makers will always brush under the carpet. This woman is hurting every living second and it shows!

yes, she is willing to die.. she wishes and prays for death cz death is better than living for her now! So i honestly get baffled why females sympathize more with him and r ready with lots of handkerchiefs for imaginary levels of hurt and ask why she is crying or belittling her pain n for wanting to take her life or simply is broken! She is oscillating b/w the various stages of PSTD... I always am baffled when i see 'all she does is crying' kinda mentality.. 😕

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my last reply before I bid adieu for lord knws how many days I so pray we don't see a repeat of the last toxic forum she rejects him and god the repurcussions
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i m agree wid u but not fully bcs she is a prisoner for a officer n in reality force does set did kind of trap n he dont belive det she is innocent n a prisoner who knowingly not co-operating wid a officer n saying dis on his face det will lie to save her village ,a army officer will never believe her .


though det scene where he fed her lalach de ke det was something like dis , ullu bana ke khichadi khilaane waala baap ,rudra 😆 ab ye mat bona maa baap cheater hai n not love their child 😛

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