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Jana Gana Mana" - has always been a controversy if it was a song for the King or was it for almighty God and Motherland.

Found some views and wanted to share with you

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Did you know the following about our national anthem,

To begin with, India 's national anthem, Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka, was written by Rabindranath Tagore in honour of King George V and the Queen of England when they visited India in 1919.

To honour their visit Pandit Motilal Nehru had the five stanzas
included, which are in praise of the King and Queen. (And most of us think it is in the praise of our great motherland!! !)

In the original Bengali verses only those provinces that were under
British rule, i.e . Punjab, Sindh, Gujarat , Maratha etc.were mentioned. None of the princely states were recognized which are integral parts of India now Kashmir, Rajasthan, Andhra, Mysore or Kerala.

Neither the Indian Ocean nor the Arabian Sea was included, since they were directly under Portuguese rule at that time. The Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka implies that King George V is the lord of the masses and Bharata Bhagya Vidhata is "the bestower of good
fortune".

Following is a translation of the five stanzas that glorify the King:
First stanza: (Indian) People wake up remembering your good name and ask for your blessings and they sing your glories. (Tava shubha name jaage; tava shubha aashish maage, gaaye tava jaya gaatha)
Second stanza: Around your throne people of all religions come and give their love and anxiously wait to hear your kind words.


Third stanza:
Praise to the King for being the charioteer, for leading
the ancient travelers beyond misery.

Fourth stanza : Drowned in the deep ignorance and suffering, poverty-stricken, unconscious country? Waiting for the wink of your eye and your mother's (the Queen's) true protection.


Fifth stanza: In your compassionate plans, the sleeping Bharat ( India ) will wake up. We bow down to your feet O' Queen, and glory to Rajeshwara (the King).


This whole poem does not indicate any love for the Motherland but
depicts a bleak picture. When you sing Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka, whom are you glorifying? Certainly not the Motherland. Is it God? The poem does not indicate that.It is time now to understand the original purpose and the implication of this, rather than blindly sing as has been done the past fifty years.


Nehru chose the present national anthem as opposed to Vande Mataram because he thought that it would be easier for the band to play!!! It was an absurd reason but Today for that matter bands have advanced and they can very well play any music. So they can as well play Vande Mataram, which is a far better composition in praise of our Dear Motherland - India .



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Posted: 18 years ago
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Here is the translation from the following link

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Indian%20National%20Ant hem
Jana gana mana adhi naayaka jaya he
Bhaarata bhaagya vidhaata
Punjab Sindh Gujarat Maratha,
Draavid Utkala Bang (it is Bang)
Vindhya Himachala Yamuna Ganga,
Uchhala jaladhi taranga.

Tava shubh naame jaage
Tava shubh aashish maage
Gahe tava jaya-gaatha
Jana-gana-mangala dayaka jaya he
Bharat bhagya vidhata
Jaya he Jaya he Jaya he
Jaya Jaya Jaya Jaya he.

Translation:

Thou art the rulers of the minds of all people,
dispenser of India's destiny.
Thy name rouses the hearts of Punjab, Sind, Gujarat and Maratha,
Of the Dravida and Orissa and Bengal;
It echoes in the hills of the Vindhyas and Himalayas,
mingles in the music of Yamuna and Ganga
and is chanted by the waves of the Indian Sea.

They pray for thy blessings and sing thy praise.
The saving of all people waits in thy hand,
thou dispenser of India's destiny,
Victory, victory, victory to thee.
An interesting and controversial fact (heaven forbid anything Indian and political should be devoid of controversy!) is that this song was actually written by Tagore in 1919 in honor of King George V and his Queen's visit to India, although most people believe that "thou" is referring to India herself. The original version had another five verses that directly referred to the King. tusitala has an excellent writeup on exactly how deep this controvery goes in The Great Indian National Anthem Controversy.

Edited by Swar_Raj - 18 years ago
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Extracts from : The Great Indian National Anthem Controversy.


We Indians like taking everything to extremes.

Take our national anthem, for instance. Or rather, national anthems. Emphasis on the plural. Most countries are content with one. They may give their king (or queen) his (or her) own song, but that's not really the same thing. But we, of course, have to be different. We have two, and singing the wrong one can get you arrested in the right (or rather, wrong) parts of the country.

It all started quite innocently. The Indian National Congress was looking for a song to set the tone at their twelfth annual meeting (which was important for a whole lot of other reasons as well, but never mind those). Into the breach stepped Rabindranath Tagore, with a poem from a novel by Bankim Chandra. That poem was called vande mataram, or "Hail, my motherland". The poem was mostly written in Bengali and Bankim Chandra himself was probably thinking about Bengal when he wrote it, but the first verse happened to be in Sanskrit and painted a beautiful picture of an idealised rural environment, with the sun shining on lush green fields, the moonlight glistening on gently rippling rivers, and the winds sighing softly in forests where flowers danced on trees. Add Tagore's stirring music, and you had a combination which was totally in synch with the national romanticism of the mostly urban delegates at the session. The song become an instant hit, and the phrase vande mataram became the slogan of the independence movement.

To the already chokingly patriotic sentiment of the song was added an image of people dressed in khadi, defiantly chanting vande mataram and standing their ground as the colonial police baton charged them. Soon, the song was so popular that the alarmed British hastily put in place a two-pronged policy against the song. One: they banned first the singing of the song, and then the public utterance of the words vande mataram. Two: they began encouraging another song called jana gana mana, written by none less than Tagore, and also extremely national romantic in tone, but still uncontroversial because it was written in honour of the Emperor. After all, they reasoned, there was no problem with Indians feeling proud of their country. It was only those pesky pro-independence sentiments that needed to be dealt with. Of course, none of this stopped vande mataram, but it did mean that jana gana mana became quite well known, because it was sung at all boy scout meetings (amongst other things).

So, when independence finally came, there was no question about what would be the national anthem, right? Well... not quite. The two decades preceding independence saw the sudden growth of a powerful Muslim nationalism, culminating in the Partition of India and the birth of Pakistan. Suddenly, people realised that the novel Anandmath from which Tagore extracted the poem actually had heroic Hindus defending the honour of their homeland against evil Muslim invaders. The later verses of the song (which nobody knew) were subject to intense scrutiny by statesmen who shook their heads sorrowfully over its references to Durga, and over the Sanskrit verb "vanda" which seemed to require Muslims to bow to an entity other than God. The final nail in the song's coffin came when Nehru pointed out that the overtones of classical Indian music in the song would make it difficult for army bands to play. The result: the song selected as the anthem was... (hold your breaths)... jana gana mana, that wonderful song written to extoll the virtues of the emperor. The decision was greated with such howls of protest that the government hastily added a codicil to the effect that vande mataram would have equal status. The other contender - the tarana-e-hindi which, to this day, is sung by homesick expatriates - was unceremoniously dropped because its author had gone on to make himself extremely objectionable by becoming one of the founding fathers of Pakistan.

Over the years, a sort of compromise was reached whereby vande mataram was sung at the start of any ceremony that required the singing of a national song, and jana gana mana was sung at the end. Everyone seemed to be reasonably happy, except Hindu nationalists, who steadfastly refused to accept jana gana mana, Muslim nationalists, who steadfastly refused to accept vande mataram, and Tamil nationalists, who steadfastly refused to accept anything that came from anywhere north of Mysore. End of story? Well... not quite.

In the eighties, a dispute between Hindus and Muslims over a little mosque at Ayodhya came to the boil. Suddenly, everyone became more Hindu or Muslim, as the case may be. All of a sudden, schoolchildren refused to sing vande mataram, while other insisted on its singing. In State legislatures, Muslim legislators walked out when speakers from right-wing parties tried to force the song being sung. And in one local council, Hindu members who tried to sing the song were arrested for disturbing the peace. Thousands of innocent trees died as authors, wannabe public intellectuals, and journalists raced to defend or condemn the antecedents of jana gana mana and vande mataram, depending on their persuasion. Learned professors of history declared that jana gana mana had no references whatsoever to the emperor, or that it cleverly concealed a biting criticism of British imperialism. Vande mataram was reviled as being an obvious expression of chauvenistic Hindu hatred against Islam, praised as being an unambiguous celebration of the common culture of Hindus and Muslims, and exposed as a clear example of Hindus' failure to understand the mind of the common Muslim.

And they say national anthems unite a people...

In the decade or so since then, there's been no real solution to the problem, and the singing of the national anthem continues to generate controversies everywhere from time to time. Well, everywhere except Tamil Nadu. As with most major national issues, they solved the problem a good while ago by happily dumping vande mataram in favour of their own national song, the Hymn of Tamilagam (they would have jettisoned jana gana mana too if they could, but that's a different story).

As I said earlier, India is a complicated place.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Nice topic Lata... 👏

Well i can speak for myself .....to me the national anthem of india is for glorifying India....it does not matter to me for whom it was written....when i sing it i have the utmost respect for my country and i am glorifying my country.....to me what my heart feels at that time is much more important than thinking what the purpose of the song originally was..
The purpose of the national anthem of any country is to pay respect to that country.....no national anthem can be bigger than the country itself....therefore I will always look upon it as a way to glrify my country....after all what do the words matter if u cannot have the respect in ur heart....if tommorow another national anthem is chosen for India...it will be the same for me...but Jana gana mana will always be close to my heart.....i am bonded with the JGM with the feelings that it creates in my heart when i sing/hear it... 😊
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Lata, Thanks for the detailed info. I read about it some time back. I think some of us brought this point when we argued before.

Whether Jana-Gana-Mana was written to hail the King or motherland I still hold it in high esteem as it is our anthem but at the same time I don't support forcing Vande Mataram to Non-Hindus because it does refer to names of Hindu Godessess.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Wow you sure have done so much research on this topic..

As for me I feel Jana-Gana-Mana was easy to learn & play on flute when I was part of the band..other than that both songs are superb ...and feel connected

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: ani11

Nice topic Lata... 👏

Well i can speak for myself .....to me the national anthem of india is for glorifying India....it does not matter to me for whom it was written....when i sing it i have the utmost respect for my country and i am glorifying my country.....to me what my heart feels at that time is much more important than thinking what the purpose of the song originally was..
The purpose of the national anthem of any country is to pay respect to that country.....no national anthem can be bigger than the country itself....therefore I will always look upon it as a way to glrify my country....after all what do the words matter if u cannot have the respect in ur heart....if tommorow another national anthem is chosen for India...it will be the same for me...but Jana gana mana will always be close to my heart.....i am bonded with the JGM with the feelings that it creates in my heart when i sing/hear it... 😊

tfs..........

exactly my thoughts aniji😳..........whatever the literal meaning or the purpose of writing it .......Jana Gana Mana is very close to my heart.........

@mayaji......agree with u too,as Vande Matram has mention of hindu goddess n it will not suit to the secular country's nat.anthem.......

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Well even through im not an indian i wud like to share my thoughts on dis. Yes i have heard about as this is now being discussed amongst the Indian Polticians and all i would like to say is that the translation, the meaning they dont matter. If ur singing it for your motherland to show ur love for your country den be it be. Because if u sing it as patrosim for ur country den it aumatically turns that. Its ur feelings that matter, not the words. 😊
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: mcm226

@mayaji......agree with u too,as Vande Matram has mention of hindu goddess n it will not suit to the secular country's nat.anthem.......

Thanks Mandu. Ab ye 'ji' chodo😳. Grilling still in progress?😉

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maya_M

Thanks Mandu. Ab ye 'ji' chodo😳. Grilling still in progress?😉

ok jee😉😆......Maya Maya Maya...😆..😆..😆............(remember DTPH's dialogues??)yes,still in progress😆

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