things which went wrong with puru's side story

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if u see puru & alexander both r leads of d show but alexander side story is more entertaining than puru coz none of d character in alexander side story r over glorified, every character has a part 2 do unlike puru side story where only two people have brain other r idiots puru & anusuya
bamini 4 namesake is king but he dont have one quality of a king in him . in reality poras era king were egoistic but they were not idiots or ignorant , they very well know what happening around them , how 2 deal with their enemies & situations.

anusuya first of all her akhand bharat jaap is useless in poras story , i hate makers 2 over glorify anusuya that only she has brain others r idiot. it look like if puru will not have akhand bharat freak mother thn puru will not fight with alexander

akhand bharat jaap is useless in poras story coz first of all king poras was not akhand bharat freak , he was a desh bhakt but poras defended his kingdom from alexander not bharat. in final war with alexander poras with his army will alone fight with alexander & his army as in reality no king supported king poras against alexander so what is d point of akhand bharat jaap


what is d point of akhand bharat in poras story

takshila & paurav rashtra were hard core enemies infact king ambhi was jealous of king poras popularity & success , his joining hands with alexander coz he want 2 defeat king puru at any cost. here ambhi kumar is happily roaming with puru even going 2 faras.

kings use 2 send their spies 2 other kingdom but here puru himself is going 2 faras 2 spy on alex.

they streched darius & his negativity track like a chewing gum



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Posted: 7 years ago
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My dear Deepika,

I agree with almost all that you have said here with such force and verve.

The whole script is unbalanced. Porus might be the titular hero, but that does not mean that over 80% of the screen time should be devoted to him and to Paurav Rashtra, with the vacillating, unsure and incapable Bamni, the pop-eyed Shivdutt, and the weaselly Kanishka, not to speak of Puru, with his wavy locks and his slo mo walk consuming endless screen time.There was once a whole week, when Puru was being sentenced to death, without a single scene from the Macedonian side! The equality between the titular lead and the antagonist exists only in the montage.

Puru bores me and irritates me almost equally. I detest his in your face mahaanta, and he spouts lines like Puru koyi kaam adhura nahi chhodta ad nauseum. I feel like clouting him when he parrots these lines.😡

Anasuya exasperates me almost as much as Puru, with her perennial goody goody bhashans, and her preaching to all and sundry. Now Bamni too has become a charter member of the Worship Puru club, and he gushes all over him at the drop of a hat.

I like Laachi, she is very pretty, vivacious and cute, but she is totally predictable and has no shades to her character at all. Puru and she are effectively the same in outlook and attitudes, so there is no tension between them and thus no spark to their romantic scenes, which make me yawn.

I also agree with you about the Akhanda Bharat jaap.😉 Apart from the very valid points you have made, the fact is that Paurav Rashtra, Takshashila and the hazily located Dasyu Lok do NOT constitute Akhanda Bharat, only a fraction thereof. There is Magadha, Kousumbi, Kaushal Rajya and so many other kingdoms and janapadas, not to speak of the whole of the south. It is ridiculous of Anasuya and Puru and company to carry on as if Akhanda Bharat was already a reality. And even such unity as there was at this point collapsed by the time Alexander arrived.

As for the Puru goes to Faras - how?? - track, don't even talk to me about it. It is as useless as the vishkanya track.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

if u see puru & alexander both r leads of d show but alexander side story is more entertaining than puru coz none of d character in alexander side story r over glorified, every character has a part 2 do unlike puru side story where only two people have brain other r idiots puru & anusuya

bamini 4 namesake is king but he dont have one quality of a king in him . in reality poras era king were egoistic but they were not idiots or ignorant , they very well know what happening around them , how 2 deal with their enemies & situations.

anusuya first of all her akhand bharat jaap is useless in poras story , i hate makers 2 over glorify anusuya that only she has brain others r idiot. it look like if puru will not have akhand bharat freak mother thn puru will not fight with alexander

akhand bharat jaap is useless in poras story coz first of all king poras was not akhand bharat freak , he was a desh bhakt but poras defended his kingdom from alexander not bharat. in final war with alexander poras with his army will alone fight with alexander & his army as in reality no king supported king poras against alexander so what is d point of akhand bharat jaap


what is d point of akhand bharat in poras story

takshila & paurav rashtra were hard core enemies infact king ambhi was jealous of king poras popularity & success , his joining hands with alexander coz he want 2 defeat king puru at any cost. here ambhi kumar is happily roaming with puru even going 2 faras.

kings use 2 send their spies 2 other kingdom but here puru himself is going 2 faras 2 spy on alex.

they streched darius & his negativity track like a chewing gum



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Di , in yesterday episode puru was determined 2 find barsine. I was thinking what puru is planning 2 do with barsine & company , is he will take them 2 paurav rashtra coz faras in now under alexander
## thnks 4 reply di

If anyone had seen dharti ka veer yodha prithviraj chauhan by dharma production it was a hit serial of its time rajat tokas played young prithviraj but d story was very gud. Just 2 glorify prithviraj makers never degraded king someshvar prithviraj's father he was very gud king & prithviraj got gud mother who guide him in gud & realistic manner.

Here they had made joke of poras
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My dear Deepika,

You are very welcome!

It is not for Puru to plan to take Barsine and the rest anywhere. They were taken away by Alexander and travelled with his army for the next two years, till he established them in Susa in 331 BC, probably after he had finally defeated Darius at Gaugamela.

What is going to happen is, I think, that Darius having run away without answering any of Alexander's questions about Bharat😉, Alexander will now substitute him with Puru, who would have met him as a sadharan Bharatiya. They will have extended interactions, like those that Alexander had later with Porus after the battle of the Hydaspes, and in the process, Puru will learn a lot about Alexander and Alexander about India.

Let us see if at least this prediction of mine comes true! Meanwhile, do read my latest post, on the Friday episode, The Mystery of the Missing Mother, and let me have your comments on it.

Shyamala Di



Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Di , in yesterday episode puru was determined 2 find barsine. I was thinking what puru is planning 2 do with barsine & company , is he will take them 2 paurav rashtra coz faras in now under alexander

## thnks 4 reply di

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Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Di , in yesterday episode puru was determined 2 find barsine. I was thinking what puru is planning 2 do with barsine & company , is he will take them 2 paurav rashtra coz faras in now under alexander

## thnks 4 reply di

If anyone had seen dharti ka veer yodha prithviraj chauhan by dharma production it was a hit serial of its time rajat tokas played young prithviraj but d story was very gud. Just 2 glorify prithviraj makers never degraded king someshvar prithviraj's father he was very gud king & prithviraj got gud mother who guide him in gud & realistic manner.

Here they had made joke of poras

I loved PRC... But I think it was stupid to show a young prince to fight with his enemies, just with his 4 to 5 friends. What does his father do? Instead of going himself or sending his army, he used to send such a young child all alone😆. Here at least puru have grown up.. And I don't think they have made fun of puru.. He is shown intelligent plus very gud guy.
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Prithvi was teenager when he lost his father took upon kingship & as a prince he used 2 go 4 fights. They can change it much coz it was inspired by prithviraj raso book by chandra bardayi but still that serial had everything very less family drama unlike poras . King someshvar did go 2 fight also , as he died in battle field , he was very well aware what happening in his kingdom coz he had his team of spies not like bamini. Teenager prince use 2 go on useful mission by kings permission. Rajat tokas portray teenager prithviraj chauhan. Dharma production make very gud serial giving d image of d legend on which they r making d serial. Even chandraguptamaurya which use come on ndtvimagine i guess it was dharma production was a very gud serial.
Do u really think this puru's story is anywhere king poras

Maharana pratap did meet akbar manytimes before their war but no where in entire history written king poras went 2 faras 2 know about alexander. Height of stupidity.
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The biggest problem with Puru's storyline is that he is unfortunately the protagonist and titular character of a historical drama.
If we observe clearly then the past historical dramas have followed a certain pattern when it comes to their titular characters.

1.The titular character needs to be a victim of some sort who is meant to bear all sorts of sufferings on the planet

2.The titular characters have their own warped sense of justice and righteousness which does seem idiotic af to the audience at times.

3.The titular character needs to possess superhuman abilities.

4.The titular character needs to be ghusofied in every single matter.

5.The titular character CANNOT (In bold letters) be anything less than the brightest shade of white there is.
Not even an inch of greyish matter is allowed.


The only two historicals which were the best till date and which didn't disappoint me despite their own addition of fictional tracks are Prithviraj Chauhan and Imagine's Chandragupta Maurya both of which were creations of Sagar Arts.
The best thing about the Sagar Arts historicals was that the titular characters were beautifully sketched and they were presented in such a manner that the audience can connect to them on an emotional level.And not only them but the supporting characters were presented in a realistic manner too.
More than unrealistic stunts those shows emphasised on tactics,emotional quotient and the relationships between the characters.This is why despite all the natakiya roopantars and distortions those shows were gems.


Speaking of the historicals nowadays,they emphasise more on the glorification or to be more precise the heroficiation(my own term) of the titular character than giving them a solid,concrete storyline and characterization.

The writers need to realise that audience are not looking for a superhero like the Marvel/DC movies.They are more interested in watching the story of an ordinary person like them who develops extraordinary tendencies due to the circumstances and the challenges which life threw at him.

I am no writer but IMO a more plausible storyline for Puru would have been that he should have been born under normal circumstances in his palace and been raised in the palace itself.His parents would have guided him on the politics and tactics of royal life.I would have loved to see Anusuya grooming her son to be more shrewd in order to get the throne.I wouldn't have minded him dealing with his evil half bro and uncle and countering them with his intelligence.Puru and Anusuya could have made a formidable badass team.He could have his band of friends aka Hasti and Ambhikumar and they could have had their adventures in India itself.

Laachi could have still been the feisty Dasyu Princess.They could have shown a storyline like Puru and his gang getting kidnapped by the Dasyus and him getting to know Laachi and falling for her in the process.
They could have shown Laachi having some ulterior motives for befriending Puru and getting him to fall for her.But Puru sees through her facade.Then a lot of angst and manipulations follow and they end up genuinely falling for each other.

The Farsi track should have totally not been there.And as far as the Akhand Bharat Theme is concerned then excess of anything is bad.This 'Akhand Bharat' trope has been used in many historicals.
It was first introduced in Imagine's CGM and after that all the writers followed the same root.However they forgot that the theme of Akhand Bharat actually fit perfectly into CGM's story and life.CGM and Chanakya did forge an Akhand Bharat.

This is one of the problems which I had with CAS.Akhand Bharat was never meant to be Ashoka's goal for his grandfather had already achieved that.Ashoka's life was more about the internal politics of his family,his troubled relationship with his father,his ambition to get the throne and ultimately how he overcame his own demons and bloodlust and emerged as a great ruler.
But CAS CVs forcefully inserted the Akhand Bharat jaap into Ashok's story where it was not needed at all.

Similarly Porus' story was not about 'Akhand Bharat' at all.He was 'Bharat Ki Sarhad Ka Pehla Rakshak' and not the Spokesperson of the Akhand Bharat Abhiyaan.Therefore they should have stuck to that only.

Like when Alexander would have been on the verge of invading India,Chanakya would have warned all the frontier rulers.
Ambhi would have surrendered but Puru would have made the decision to face Alex on his own thus making him the hero which he is.
Throw in some PoRander bromance and Roxana's rakhi to make the plot more interesting.

As far as Alexander's track is concerned then I would have given equal SS and shown his side of the story properly along with Puru's.Also I would have toned down the 'Ruthless Ruler' part a bit.His story with Darius,Roxane etc would be shown properly.
Did I mention that Darius would remain in Faras only??

Ultimately the show would have ended with Puru losing to Alex but the Battle of Hydaspes causing such a magnanimous loss to Alexander's troops that he would have been compelled to retreat.
And the famous 'Treat Me Like One King Treats Another' would be there.And this would have fit perfectly into 269

Sigh!! I guess one can only dream.😆


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Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Prithvi was teenager when he lost his father took upon kingship & as a prince he used 2 go 4 fights. They can change it much coz it was inspired by prithviraj raso book by chandra bardayi but still that serial had everything very less family drama unlike poras . King someshvar did go 2 fight also , as he died in battle field , he was very well aware what happening in his kingdom coz he had his team of spies not like bamini. Teenager prince use 2 go on useful mission by kings permission. Rajat tokas portray teenager prithviraj chauhan. Dharma production make very gud serial giving d image of d legend on which they r making d serial. Even chandraguptamaurya which use come on ndtvimagine i guess it was dharma production was a very gud serial.

Do u really think this puru's story is anywhere king poras

Maharana pratap did meet akbar manytimes before their war but no where in entire history written king poras went 2 faras 2 know about alexander. Height of stupidity.

I am not much into Prithviraj Raso but from all I know is that teenage Prithvi's story was 90% fictional😆
It focused on his romance with Sanyogita and his teenage adventures.
Post leap,the show stuck to historical facts,Mohammad Ghori,etc.
But they also showed Ghori meeting PRC many times prior to their fight.😆

However the show was fantastic during the time when Rajat Tokas was there.His pairing with Mugdha Chapekhar was legendary.I lost interest in the show post leap.
Also all the fictional events in that show were presented in an interesting manner due to which the audience didn't mind them being fictionalised.

CGM had its own share of distortions too but again the presentation was excellent,the characterisation was top notch and the ensemble cast of Manish Wadhwa,Ashish Sharma,Sooraj Thapar,Rohit Purohit,Rushiraj Pawar were terrific.
The story was so crisp and interesting that you wouldn't wish to miss a single episode.

So ultimately it's all about the screenplay and the writing.If you are able to capture the interest of the audience with the story then you are a clear winner.

Also as far as King Porus' history is concerned then who knows about his entire life except the fact that he was the first defender of India's borders who gave a tough fight to Alexander the Great and that 'Treat Me Like One King Treats Another' incident.
It was natural that they would add fictional elements to his story.

But the way the writers wrote and presented the story was messed up.

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So can I, dream, I mean. What a pity that you could not have been the scriptwriter for this show! Your dissection of the ubiquitous Akhanda Bharat trope is spot on, as is your sketch of the titular hero in almost all our historicals. But then I doubt if you would have lasted very long, for the PH does not subscribe to logic and does not like commonsense.😆

Incidentally, have you seen the 1990 classic Chanakya of Chandraprakash Dwivedi? It had 47 episodes of 1 hour each, and in those days on Doordarshan, one hour meant 56 minutes. It was made with an eye firmly turned away from entertainment value, and it would not have lasted 3 months in these days. But in those days we had only one channel for all practical purposes - Zee being very new - and so every one was ready to accept Chanakya.

The political complexities and the endless scheming and manipulation needed to get all the janapadas and kings on board for Chandragupta's campaign against Dhananand were shown in superb detail. Chandragupta was only a supporting character, Chanakya was the lead. Porus was over 50, and was hoodwinked into backing the Akhanda Bharat Abhiyaan by promising him the emperorship of the Akhanda Bharat, a promise that Chanakya never intended keeping.

Dhananand was not half as irritating as the one in Chandragupta Maurya, there was no unbeautiful Mrignayani, and Amatya Katyayan, aka Rakshas, was a very impressive personality with a voice to match, not like the chap in the 2012 show, which I am now watching online. I am yet to get to Rohit Purohit's Bhadrasaal, but I liked the young CGM, the Kartikeya of DKDM, and I like the adult one as well. And Manish Wadhwa is a prime favourite on mine. The 1990 Chanakya was less impressive, totally autocratic, and postively ugly. Let me see how the rest of CGM pans out.

I was then posted in Delhi, and so was able to watch Chanakya every Sunday. I also have it now on DVD. It does not have a single unbelievable moment, of which there are several in the 2012 version and it is truly the last word on the pre-Mauryan period on TV.

I would have liked to watch Prithviraj Chauhan online as well, for I like Rajat Tokas very, very much, , but I think there are too many episodes for me to cover.

Shyamala Cowsik

Originally posted by: --BlackSheep--

The biggest problem with Puru's storyline is that he is unfortunately the protagonist and titular character of a historical drama.
If we observe clearly then the past historical dramas have followed a certain pattern when it comes to their titular characters.

1.The titular character needs to be a victim of some sort who is meant to bear all sorts of sufferings on the planet

2.The titular characters have their own warped sense of justice and righteousness which does seem idiotic af to the audience at times.

3.The titular character needs to possess superhuman abilities.

4.The titular character needs to be ghusofied in every single matter.

5.The titular character CANNOT (In bold letters) be anything less than the brightest shade of white there is.
Not even an inch of greyish matter is allowed.

The only two historicals which were the best till date and which didn't disappoint me despite their own addition of fictional tracks are Prithviraj Chauhan and Imagine's Chandragupta Maurya both of which were creations of Sagar Arts.
The best thing about the Sagar Arts historicals was that the titular characters were beautifully sketched and they were presented in such a manner that the audience can connect to them on an emotional level.And not only them but the supporting characters were presented in a realistic manner too.
More than unrealistic stunts those shows emphasised on tactics,emotional quotient and the relationships between the characters.This is why despite all the natakiya roopantars and distortions those shows were gems.


Speaking of the historicals nowadays,they emphasise more on the glorification or to be more precise the heroficiation(my own term) of the titular character than giving them a solid,concrete storyline and characterization.

The writers need to realise that audience are not looking for a superhero like the Marvel/DC movies.They are more interested in watching the story of an ordinary person like them who develops extraordinary tendencies due to the circumstances and the challenges which life threw at him.

I am no writer but IMO a more plausible storyline for Puru would have been that he should have been born under normal circumstances in his palace and been raised in the palace itself.His parents would have guided him on the politics and tactics of royal life.I would have loved to see Anusuya grooming her son to be more shrewd in order to get the throne.I wouldn't have minded him dealing with his evil half bro and uncle and countering them with his intelligence.Puru and Anusuya could have made a formidable badass team.He could have his band of friends aka Hasti and Ambhikumar and they could have had their adventures in India itself.

Laachi could have still been the feisty Dasyu Princess.They could have shown a storyline like Puru and his gang getting kidnapped by the Dasyus and him getting to know Laachi and falling for her in the process.
They could have shown Laachi having some ulterior motives for befriending Puru and getting him to fall for her.But Puru sees through her facade.Then a lot of angst and manipulations follow and they end up genuinely falling for each other.

The Farsi track should have totally not been there.And as far as the Akhand Bharat Theme is concerned then excess of anything is bad.This 'Akhand Bharat' trope has been used in many historicals.
It was first introduced in Imagine's CGM and after that all the writers followed the same root.However they forgot that the theme of Akhand Bharat actually fit perfectly into CGM's story and life.CGM and Chanakya did forge an Akhand Bharat.

This is one of the problems which I had with CAS.Akhand Bharat was never meant to be Ashoka's goal for his grandfather had already achieved that.Ashoka's life was more about the internal politics of his family,his troubled relationship with his father,his ambition to get the throne and ultimately how he overcame his own demons and bloodlust and emerged as a great ruler.
But CAS CVs forcefully inserted the Akhand Bharat jaap into Ashok's story where it was not needed at all.

Similarly Porus' story was not about 'Akhand Bharat' at all.He was 'Bharat Ki Sarhad Ka Pehla Rakshak' and not the Spokesperson of the Akhand Bharat Abhiyaan.Therefore they should have stuck to that only.

Like when Alexander would have been on the verge of invading India,Chanakya would have warned all the frontier rulers.
Ambhi would have surrendered but Puru would have made the decision to face Alex on his own thus making him the hero which he is.
Throw in some PoRander bromance and Roxana's rakhi to make the plot more interesting.

As far as Alexander's track is concerned then I would have given equal SS and shown his side of the story properly along with Puru's.Also I would have toned down the 'Ruthless Ruler' part a bit.His story with Darius,Roxane etc would be shown properly.
Did I mention that Darius would remain in Faras only??

Ultimately the show would have ended with Puru losing to Alex but the Battle of Hydaspes causing such a magnanimous loss to Alexander's troops that he would have been compelled to retreat.
And the famous 'Treat Me Like One King Treats Another' would be there.And this would have fit perfectly into 269

Sigh!! I guess one can only dream.😆


Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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I agree about sanyogita part of prithviraj but about his fights , hs missions r not frictional it had been presented drammitically , i m saying this coz i m having prithviraj raso book which i ordered from net & had read it , in it his fights r mentioned which were shown on serial , even chandra bardai mention prithviraj did met ashwatttama tried 2 cure his bleeding wound as he had great knowledge if medicines. Even i have one more book related prithviraj LIFESTORY.
There d story look like a king story, presentation tabhi acha hoga jab jab script achi hogi . Prithviraj serial prithvi ke parents ko over glorify nhi kiya gaya , king sach mai king tha

Lekin akhand bharat aur puru saath saath nhi jate

Every mother dont make her son shrewd like olmpius, jijabai is best example of it . Alexander ki story mai olympius ko anusuya ki tarah over glorify nhi kiya gaya , Phillip ko bamini ki tarah dumb nhi dikhaya gaya

Ab alexander egypt jayega to puru bhi egypt jayega kyunki puru koi kaam adhura nhi chodta

Rather than following alexender , puru should had been shown working on his own strategies par puru ki story mai family drama hi nhi khatam hota.

Its not necessary 2 show male lead as a victim , prithviraj was never shown as a victim , shivaji was never shown as a victim still viewers like those serial



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