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muktha_cute

@muktha_cute

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Posted: 12 years ago

#21

we need 2 fight with such unethical and immoral relations not accept and follow them

ADINI is also a flithy,immoral,unethical relation which should be opposed but not accepted but people are paraising such incest relations as wow,super,great,lovely where as it must be disgusting,shameless,cheap the correct words for such relations

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Uneka Lakmini

@Unekalakmini

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Posted: 12 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: venesa
we need 2 fight with such unethical and immoral relations not accept and follow them
ADINI is also a flithy,immoral,unethical relation which should be opposed but not accepted but people are paraising such incest relations as wow,super,great,lovely where as it must be disgusting,shameless,cheap the correct words for such relations

Dear..Vanesa..

we can not lable any relationship to saying disgusting. shamless, and sheap...We do not agree with Sugvi relarionship, but we nerver said it is ugly...both of Sugni and Vikram had personal and social reasons to come close eachother...

This immoral, unethical wives dipend on situtions and socity patternes...I will give you again the example...once a lesbian couple came to my clinic (their parents wanted to separate them and brought them for treatments by force) as my experiences to working with gay issuse 3 kind of gay people have rocognized..

1. gay from nature

2. become a gay because of society reasons

3. by sexual ( having intrest about both men and women)

we only can change the people who in 2, 3 catogories...the person who is a gay from birth we can never change...and also all the time in gay relationship one person is strong and second one is not...

on thta two girls one was very stong and she was atract to women from her nature...

but the socond girl became a lesbian because she has faced some kind of bad experience in her childhood...when she was in 6-7 years she has seen that her parents having psycical relationship...so she felt it is like a violent against her mom..she hates her father and when she grown up she refiuse all the men...when a girl offered her a love and care she attached to her...

we made the second one to understand that having a relationship with male is not a violent...aftet long time treatmentsshe came out from her gay mentality and got married a man...but the fist and strong girl could not able bare it and she commited suiside...

we do not have any treatment to people who has homo sexual natute from birth..according to human rights we can not create a law against them...about the girl who commited suiside, how will you blame her to being unethical...? can we judge her...? no..

we can not lable any human relationship such as a words like dissgusting..immoral...etc...

If the members do not like to discuss these kind of issuse in a open forum please DT members you have right to remov my post... i just want explain that we can not give bad names for relationships and i heared that PHS is going to take adults theme...

Edited by ulakmini - 12 years ago

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rimitimi2000

@rimitimi2000

Voyager

Posted: 12 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: anastasia211092
Calling other members selfish is equivalent to bashing/personal attack so refrain from it. No need to turn it into a battleground.

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Not use Member Word..So How u think...br200910 tell to any member... May be this word tell for..TVS...& we all can say ...what we want to.TVS/ADI/SUGNI/RIWA..etc...

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anoosree

@anoosree

Voyager

Posted: 12 years ago

#24

Sugni chooses to get banished, live without food & water for days..but doesn't agree for Rai & Sardhakai... Ethical

But she chooses to do sardhakai by Adi to hurt Vikram is Unethical ... Not to forget, she knows that it was Vikram who gave the money.

Sugni chooses not to marry Rewa's husband...Ethical

Sugni deliberately chooses to marry Amu's fiance... Unethical

Sugni doesn't want to hurt Rewa...Ethical

Sugni deliberately hurting Amu...Unethical...infact it is Cruel of her to give so much pain to Amu, for no fault of her, given the fact that Amu along with Vikram had helped Sugni & her family a lot.

Sugni doesn't want to marry Vikram coz of his lies & she feels cheated...fair enough

Sugni is all set to marry Adi by lying and cheating his grandmother... Unethical...she did not hesitate to call her mother a daima just to get married to Adi

Sugni decided not to marry Vikram...agree...she also had a choice to stay away from Vikram for the rest of her life...but she deliberately chooses to do Sardhakai by his nephew, live in vickram's haveli, was ready to sleep with Adi, is all set to marry him inspite of knowing that he is engaged to Amu, and thy both love eachother...is not only UNETHICAL, but it has crossed all levels of CHEAPNESS & SELFISHNESS.

She comes across as a highly HYPOCRITICAL & DUMB girl. No girl with a least of self respect would do what she is doing right now...definitely not the Sugni that I saw in the beginning of this show. To be very honest Vickram seems like a SAINT in front of Sugni, Adi, Gulabiya. Gulabiya proved that she is a true bedni, coz all she wants is a takur for her daughter and sugni too proved that she is a bedni by blood by snatching another woman's love...so what if an innocent Amu's life get spoiled.

Adi hates bedni coz of his father...fair enough...he did not want Vickram to marry Sugni...fair enough...he did not want Vickram to leave Riwa...right in his own way...But doing Sardhakai to his Mama's lady love...Unethical...after promising Vickram that Sugni will be vickram's amaanat with him...he is all set to marry Sugni...Unethical...he is worried about Rewa...not about Amu...Unethical...all this in the name of a lame promise to Gulabiya.

Sorry to say but the whole show is anything but ETHICAL...it's full of immoral relationship & messages. If CV's think that by showing Sita maiyya endorsing their stale show, we viewers will buy it. All I have to say is Mr. Story writer go and dump your head in the closet. You know u don't have a single logical reason for Sugni / Adi marriage...so u show the divine consent to sell ur pathetic twist. Don't underestimate viewer's intelligence nor we suffer short time memory loss. Above all spare the God & Goddess.

Sorry for the long post...just wanted to tell, I watched it from the first episode, was one of my favorite...but now this show is a pile of bull shit. I would appreciate if thy remove the tag line from the title " Sachi kahani..." Coz this show has nothing to do with sachaayee.

Edited by anoosree - 12 years ago

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muktha_cute

@muktha_cute

Dazzler

Posted: 12 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: ulakmini

Dear..Vanesa..

we can not lable any relationship to saying disgusting. shamless, and sheap...We do not agree with Sugvi relarionship, but we nerver said it is ugly...both of Sugni and Vikram had personal and social reasons to come close eachother...

This immoral, unethical wives dipend on situtions and socity patternes...I will give you again the example...once a lesbian couple came to my clinic (their parents wanted to separate them and brought them for treatments by force) as my experiences to working with gay issuse 3 kind of gay people have rocognized..

1. gay from nature

2. become a gay because of society reasons

3. by sexual ( having intrest about both men and women)

we only can change the people who in 2, 3 catogories...the person who is a gay from birth we can never change...and also all the time in gay relationship one person is strong and second one is not...

on thta two girls one was very stong and she was atract to women from her nature...

but the socond girl became a lesbian because she has faced some kind of bad experience in her childhood...when she was in 6-7 years she has seen that her parents having psycical relationship...so she felt it is like a violent against her mom..she hates her father and when she grown up she refiuse all the men...when a girl offered her a love and care she attached to her...

we made the second one to understand that having a relationship with male is not a violent...aftet long time treatmentsshe came out from her gay mentality and got married a man...but the fist and strong girl could not able bare it and she commited suiside...

we do not have any treatment to people who has homo sexual natute from birth..according to human rights we can not create a law against them...about the girl who commited suiside, how will you blame her to being unethical...? can we judge her...? no..

we can not lable any human relationship such as a words like dissgusting..immoral...etc...

If the members do not like to discuss these kind of issuse in a open forum please DT members you have right to remov my post... i just want explain that we can not give bad names for relationships and i heared that PHS is going to take adults theme...

see first of all lesbians and gays relationships are they themselves arent immoral/unethical coz god had made them so and we need 2 accept it.there is nothing wrong in it.but society differs 2 understand and tats a difft issue.

neither im talking abt gender/bisexual relations

im talking abt incest.incest in any society or in any relation is immoral unethical such relations are never pure and noone can or should accept such relations.

adi and sugni relation is an incest

in any place or society incest relations are wrong and apt words for them are just cheap.disgusting not great super lovely wow

so before getting emotional atleast understand wat im saying

im saying onething ur taking it other way.

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Istila

@Istila

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Posted: 12 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: venesa
see first of all lesbians and gays relationships are they themselves arent immoral/unethical coz god had made them so and we need 2 accept it.there is nothing wrong in it.but society differs 2 understand and tats a difft issue.
neither im talking abt gender/bisexual relations
im talking abt incest.incest in any society or in any relation is immoral unethical such relations are never pure and noone can or should accept such relations.
adi and sugni relation is an incest
in any place or society incest relations are wrong and apt words for them are just cheap.disgusting not great super lovely wow

Venessa, Sughni, is not yet married to TVS. She is unrelated to him. It would be perfectly legal for her to marry his nephew, Adi because she wasn't married to TVS in the first place. It is not incest. I agree with you that does not make it all right. I understand & respect your sentiments about gays. However, according to the belief of those following the monotheist faiths, like myself, I will not want to watch perversion or homosexuality depicted on my screen, neither would I want to watch excessive flirtation, & promiscuity between the sexes- This is what I (and others) would class as, immoral.

In the West , at least they let people know what type of show it is through their film classification rating (though, sometimes that too is useless). With Indian TV in the twenty first century, you don't know what they're going to project on screen and this is dangerous. They show everything, and it seems to beguile the very innocent & decent family viewers, leading simple lives into falsely promising them a great TV show when in fact the opposite is true.

What is so ridiculous is, they showed Sughni first had fallen in love with TVS, then decided straight away to be a life companion & love for Adi, whilst still living in TVS's own home, GOADING him, even though she knows full well his feelings about her. No decent woman, who falls in love with a man, gets engaged and after making up her mind who she is marrying accepting in her heart & mind that all his relations are her relations, will all of a sudden decide to marry the nephew after finding out her fiance is already married.

This show, mocks the deprived Bedni women in reality, as no conscientious woman would make such a worthless decision, without first considering the pain she's going to give to the very person who she loved and was about to marry.

Others were right when they said that Sughni could have moved elsewhere, worked to pay off Adi the money she owed him and got married to someone else. Why did she choose to live under the same roof as TVS? Also, first love isn't forgotten so easily and it's impossible that she can jump to marry Adi within a fortnight without thinking of another way. What are they trying to show...that, Bedni women are corrupt? How is that going to help this Bedni community if this was their intention? The CV's are degrading the Bednis to a very low standard and creating a poor reputation for their own Indian values.

I did write a post here & explained why I think that personal values of the entertainment industry makers are major factors in what is portrayed on Television. I won't talk about the adverse effects of TV here, but they do exist where studies have been done to show the real dangers of sexual abuse & violence on TV. This is the reason why I don't have a TV or watch it.

Although God made us all, we have choice & free will which we can control. We can also let go watching shows that are distressing, disgusting & offensive.

Anyway that's my two cents and I apologize for interrupting your discussion- no offence intended.

Best Wishes 😊

Edited by Istila - 12 years ago

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seemasr

@seemasr

Navigator

Posted: 12 years ago

#27

I agree some belief prohibit gay and lesbo relationship.Some beliefe promote Monogamy.

Belives,customs are so diverse, and India is such a diverse country.

In the Country itself at some part marrying to 1st cousin(Maternal) encouraged while other part prohibits it,sees this as immoral.

So different sect of people have different ideas.So different that it will contradict with one other if we put al together .We can't say whose is best?

To my believes all customs arose out of situation and religious beliefe.

So for whom exactly the Cv s are making this serial?Are they making it to be watched by certain sects?

I dont know,We dont know.Most probably the answer is no.

However i think being a woman i would follow my dharma of a woman.I would not devide me more based on religious believe,custom in my native village,state or country.

As a woman i would guard my dignity,my self respect.I would like to care for my family, to look after them(Not because it is inferior job or an woman should do this.But because it is my instinct,In childhood when i given a choice between a car toy and baby girl toy i choose the later)

I have given legal power to claim portion from my ancester property,but i choose to leave it for my Brother.Because i love him,my heart says so.

It is my choice to go with the law or follow my heart.

Similarly if i were in the place of Sugni irrespective of my caste,my customs i would have done my dharma as a woman.

That not to snatch any one's man,be it Vicky be it Adi.To guard my self respect.

To not tell lie ,to be consistent with my character.

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Hillylove

@Hillylove

Dazzler

Posted: 12 years ago

#28

Istila and Seemasr Excellent Posts👏

Seemasr I feel same, irrespective of what my customs etc etc. say I must do, I would go with my dharma as a woman and do the right thing unto not just one woman but all women, not to make my happiness be their sadness, to always try and do the right thing, and not have the arrogance to believe that I am always right, and I must always do soul searching.

Edited by hillydee - 12 years ago

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payal7

@payal7

Dazzler

Posted: 12 years ago

#29

Istila, Seemasr, hillydee

Thank you all very much. For the first time there is a disussion on this issue from the point of view of principles.

I have said from the beginning that I respect (I may not agree or understand but respect) Sugni's stand point that she does want to be labelled like the rest of the Bedni's as destroying a thakurian's life

However she has made a mockery of her own standpoint by accepting Adi's marriage proposal because she has done exactly what she did not want to do ' ruin a thakurian's life because Adi was engaged to Amu. Yes today Amu has given her consent because GOD was shown to reject the plea of a girl to fight for what is right (what an insult to God). However she has said she will wait for a lifetime for Adi which means Sugni has runied Amu's life.

Furthermore, how can Sugni not see that being infront of TVS 24/7 flaunting her relationship with Adi is not the way to save Reva's marriage.

This is what I find fustrating about this story. Sugni is young and may make the wrong decision its understandable but G is a grown woman and a mother. A mother is the one to teach us about principles and morals and self respect and family values.

How can she be shown as actively promoting this relationship. How can she not see the wrong in this. Not only because Sugni is ruining Amu's life but also can she not see that Reva's marriage will not be saved this way and in fact this family will be torn apart by this relationship.

Edited by payal7 - 12 years ago