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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thanks for the update @Chalhov!

This episode was along the lines of what I've been thinking for a while now - that Sugni might well forgive TVS for lying to her about his wife, but she will never forgive him or herself for wronging the mother who put her entire life into raising Sugni, who's never seen any happiness except for her daughter.

Mothers and daughters share close bonds but for Sugni and Gulabiya, they are the whole world to each other. Gulabiya will obviously forgive her daughter but it's going to be a long time before Sugni recovers from this deception because it's not just her heart that TVS decided to break today (because he knows as well as Gulabiya and Dhannuma that the truth will come out someday), he also decided to break her one sacred, true relationship in life.

Oh, TVS! Why're you so evil, with your chubby innocent face, your yummy buttonless kurtas and your manly flirting. 💔 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: radev24

Arthi, in the precap Sugni is telling TVS that ~ Aapka saath, ijjat, pyaar aur sachhai ki jindagi, ye hi to hamara sapna tha. To which, TVS says ~ Hum poori koshish karenge ki tumhara sapna kabhi na toote. Par tum itna yaad rakhna ki pyaar sabse badi cheez hoti hai Sugni, sabse badi cheez.
Well, based on the entire epi, we have come to a point when it becomes clear to TVS that Sugni will die, finish her life IF somehow it is revealed to her that his wife IS alive and DOES live in RM. In spite of the fact that TVS is feeling so guilty separating a daughter from her mother, he is very clever (borderline cunning IMO) when he asks her ~ Maan lo (the biggest operative word here, TVS practically shaking her body to try to convince her ... my god) Maan lo Hum galat hain, maan lo hamari ek biwi hai jo zinda hai aur RM mein rehti hai, instead of actually confessing to her in front of the temple (no IFs, no AGARs) that ~ "Your Mai has been right all along about my wife. She IS alive and DOES live in RM . (Hope I didn't confuse you!).
And the ultimate treachery, deceipt, when TVS says silently to himself ! Hamein hamare sawaalon ka jawaab mil gaya, ab koi kashmakash nahi rah gayi ... I didn't think TVS character will stoop this all-time low, even though he may justify yet again that ... if he told her the truth, she will finish her life. So the best thing is ~~ never to tell her the truth! 😡🤢
In short, this serial is a perfect exmple of how a thakur wields his power to entice a naive, innocent but honest Bedni, and succeeds in molding her for his needs ... JUST THE WAY HE WANTS HER TO BE, JUST THE WAY HE WANTS HER TO BE AT HIS BECK AND CALL, JUST THE WAY HE CAN HAVE HIS CAKE AND EAT IT TOO ... so that woh hamesha ke liya uske ishaaron par naache ... (No, I'm not denying even for a sec that he loves her truly but obsessively, and going to any lengths to not lose her.)
But who is TVS fooling but himself ? Because as we saw today, the story is now unfolding whereby this man/servant from a haveli near RM appears in the scene, talks to Adi and shows his concern about RM and that he found a window broken, etc. (we know the rest). IMO this is the start of Adi becoming instrumental in revealing the Riwa truth and CVs giving him the chance to uphold his vachan to Gulabiya as the story progresses.
Lets see how all this is going to unfold.
Just my 5C (inflation !😉)


I agree with everything you wrote - esp the self-justification angle which is just CLASSIC when it comes to people living in selfish bubbles - but I have to disagree with the whole Thakur-Bedni thing 😊

I honestly don't think TVS understands just what an ass he's being or the way he's manipulating his power as a Thakur despite making full use of it. To him, he's doing everyhting in the name of his love - if he's trading on his thakur-iyat to hoodwink Sugni's greedy uncles and aunts then that's for the greater good of his love.

Similarly, I don't think Sugni really understands just how much she's internalized the Thakur Bedni power structure and how it plays into her worship of this man who is giving her the life she always dreamed about.

TVS has found the woman he loves and fancies and if the story he gave Gulabiya was correct then he'd decided to marry Sugni before he knew anything about his zombie wife. He wasn't planning on cheeating her from the start. But once he found out and realized Sugni would leave him, his character fell back on its entitled ways and decided all is fair in love and war.

Sugni meanwhile has no concept of equality. Her Thakur Malak will always be that and her concept of love is what he has told her and it is still a thing of fantasy because she's never seen anything of the kind in her life.

In actual fact, if TVS offered to do Sugni's sardhakai, it would be a far more honorable thing in their society because it's an actual, recognized and valued social contract for them where both parties enter with honesty, knowing exactly what to expect.

This fake second marriage is the worst thing he could do to Sugni from all angles. So yes, you're absolutely correct that today TVS didn't just fall low, he took a nosedive for the dirt and dug his way to China.😡
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Appreciate your work on the written update ! Thank you for your enthusiasm and dedication.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thanx for the update TVS should really tell the truth to sugni Pronto! By the way can someone pls post the link or tell me where I can download the phir subah hogi title song especially the sad version, the lady who sings it gives me goosebumps.Thanx in advance.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: bumtrinket

I agree with everything you wrote - esp the self-justification angle which is just CLASSIC when it comes to people living in selfish bubbles - but I have to disagree with the whole Thakur-Bedni thing 😊

I honestly don't think TVS understands just what an ass he's being or the way he's manipulating his power as a Thakur despite making full use of it. To him, he's doing everyhting in the name of his love - if he's trading on his thakur-iyat to hoodwink Sugni's greedy uncles and aunts then that's for the greater good of his love.

Similarly, I don't think Sugni really understands just how much she's internalized the Thakur Bedni power structure and how it plays into her worship of this man who is giving her the life she always dreamed about.

TVS has found the woman he loves and fancies and if the story he gave Gulabiya was correct then he'd decided to marry Sugni before he knew anything about his zombie wife. He wasn't planning on cheeating her from the start. But once he found out and realized Sugni would leave him, his character fell back on its entitled ways and decided all is fair in love and war.

Sugni meanwhile has no concept of equality. Her Thakur Malak will always be that and her concept of love is what he has told her and it is still a thing of fantasy because she's never seen anything of the kind in her life.

In actual fact, if TVS offered to do Sugni's sardhakai, it would be a far more honorable thing in their society because it's an actual, recognized and valued social contract for them where both parties enter with honesty, knowing exactly what to expect.

This fake second marriage is the worst thing he could do to Sugni from all angles. So yes, you're absolutely correct that today TVS didn't just fall low, he took a nosedive for the dirt and dug his way to China.😡


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Excellent post indeed!
Well, if I try to remove the layers one by one of Thakur-Bedni (T-B) custom and thakur power structure in this village, it will take huge amount of research and digging, dating back to who knows how many years.
But for now and in the interest of brevity, suffice to say that, based on what and how each epi has depicted thus far, the entire (T-B) community has a certain personality etched so deeply in them that they cannot think themselves outside this cemented box, sadly. And since these lecherous thakurs "provide" shelter over their heads, measly food in their plates, ordinary clothes on their backs, they have incarnated as "BHAGWAN" to these Bednis.
That said and TVS fully aware of this horrendous fact, here comes Sugni in his life, a swaabhimani yet innocent, a hard working and honest, a blunt and outspoken young beautiful girl and instantly TVS falls for her cute, charming and chulbuli natkhat pure and sincere persona. And as you say, before he knew of his wife being alive, his love for her was pure and unadulterated. There was no planning or conniving or cheating on his part until that point.
And along the way, as more and more interactions started developing between TVS and Sugni, as per the "personality" described above, she naturally found him to be so non-thakur-like, different, kind, caring and treating her with utmost respect that she as Bedni never dreamt of getting, much less love. TVS noticed all these qualities in her and fell head over heels in love with her. And in time so did Sugni because she got to know "his meaning of love" the way he parroted it to her, and that became her belief. Like an article stated, she was not in love with him, she was in love with the idea of love the way TVS "taught" her it meant.
But the thakur and the "thakur-power" in him came to the surface the minute he saw his newfound love-world dwindling, when dhanuma revealed the wife still alive. And TVS didn't hesitate even for a minute to use saam daam dand bhed, all sorts of manipulations available in the book. To the point where Sugni today so much as confessed to him, that ~~ maalik, ab tak aap humse kahte aaye hain, aaj hum aapko kahte hain ... bhale hamara aapse byaah na huya ho, lekin hum mann se aapko pati maan chuke hain ...Sugni hamesa ke liya aapki ho chuki hai, hamein aapse ab koi alag nahi kar sakta, kabhi nahi ... (PERFECT MUSIC TO TVS EARS !!!)
So, perhaps today is the start of a new angle, new track, storyline and turn of events that will start unfolding and in a not-too-distant-future Sugni WILL get to know the truth. Her heart WILL break. Her dreams WILL shatter, irrespective of whether she will be already married to TVS or not.
Edited by radev24 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thanks for the loving update, I can't wait to watch it.
I feel sorry for G.😭
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I felt so sorry for Gulabiya.
Now we have to wait and see what Vikram does to prevent Sugni from finding out the truth.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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thanks chalhov for the update
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Posted: 13 years ago
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"Oh, TVS! Why're you so evil, with your chubby innocent face, your yummy buttonless kurtas and your manly flirting" 🤣 🤣 🤣

@ Bumi

Your comments always puts a 😃 on my face 😆

Awesome analysis radev & bumi on SugVi relationship. A girl whose not even trying to question or recognize a confession once you hear it. How I wished Sugni will just ask him once "What do you mean Thakurmaalik? TVS this isn't a question of his love for Sugni and we all know if Reva never came from the dead he would've been a loyal husband and made Sugni the happiest woman on earth. In every true sense of the word like he said Sugni would've be his life.

The way I see it Vik is living on borrow time and the lies that he allows his self to believe are about to catch up and bring him down and it will be no one fault but his He had opportunity today to confess and save a relation, even possibility of Sugni forgiven him but now don't see it happening.

@ radev

"Her dreams WILL shatter, irrespective of whether she will be already married to TVS or not" True



I guess Tina Turner was right when she sang these lyrics

"What's love but a second hand emotion
What's love got to do, got to do with it
Who needs a heart
When a heart can be broken" 💔

I'm must say am enjoying these power back performances but must say Varun Badola stole the show today with his emotions and expressions ever without saying a word 👏👏👏
Edited by pyar-ishk - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hey thanks Rani Dear ! Here I go too, missed it earlier as I was "seriously" writing the post trying to address Bum's beautiful POV's ! 😳
"Oh, TVS! Why're you so evil, with your chubby innocent face, your yummy buttonless kurtas and your manly flirting" 🤣 🤣 🤣
Love Tina Turner song and what a beuatiful but true lyrics !
I guess Sugni is just so tired of G's bickering and suspicions about TVS, that she doesn't want to add to "insulting" him any more by questioning him (on top of heaps of Q's already imposed on TVS) about Riwa being alive. She's ready and willing to accept whatever comes on her path and maybe even face the consequences of trusting TVS so so blindly.
Yes, TVS lies will come crashng down and it will be of his own doing and as you say, they will bring him down and it will be no one's fault but his. But as far as confessing TODAY ITSELF, we the fans would have missed the many wonderful beautiful moments of these two together IN LOVE SCENES ... let CVs take their own sweet time in bringing the truth out thru all sorts of dramas.
We know that the writers, creative team, directors are doing a marvellous job and they couldn't have picked three better actors to perform all the ranges of emotions that we have been truly enjoying watching them enact! Just brilliant, TVS/G/Sug !! ⭐️👏⭐️👏


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