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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: nikitagmc

First generation stories had GLARING loopholes and horrible twists.. Manav-Archana the eternal insaaniyat ke devtas got divorced for someone else's bhalaai, then they decided to give away their own baby to someone else, Varsha-Savita had psychiatrist issues, handled very badly. Worst was Vandita's rape track- she was shown to marry the guy who tried to rape her and was abused later,her story was later left uncomplete when the first 20 year leap took place, Satish, Vaishali's story was left incomplete, so many other things happened bcos of which the viewers were so pissed off that we were PRAYING for Sushant-Ankita to leave the show.. Sushant is one of the rare celebrities who had such a smooth walk out from PR bcos his fans were RELIEVED that he was quitting PR.. there were no petitions to Ekta, no one sent mails anywhere, no one asked him to stay back..THIS much his fans were fed up of the show.

I am not saying PR was a bad show or the first generation story was worse than second generation.. if that had been so then I wud have not watched the show at all... what I am trying to say is that every generation story has had a lot of points when the story was good and interesting and many points where the show has SUCKED.. it's not like Ekta deliberately made a good story for first and third generation and a bad one for the second generation... this assumption itself is RIDICULOUS to say the least.. she is a BUSINESSWOMAN, she would want her serial to do well, she is putting her own MONEY in the show, why would she want to hurt the show by deliberately giving a bad story to one generation? I have read posts saying she had vendettas and agendas against some actors and hence a bad story was deliberately made for them.. wah.. what a style to take badla.. wouldn't it just be easier to throw the actors out of the show rather than ruin your own show and ALSO pay such high amounts per day basis to these same actors? Who takes revenge this way? Gah!

The simple fact is Ekta has twisted writers who can write good stuff and have proved it time and again, but at many times they resort to the most pathetic and illogical twists cos at the end of the day this is what helps the show sell! There is nothing like one generation is favoured more and one generation's story was bad! You say third generation has been favoured more- simple question- WHY HAS THE SERIAL BEEN SHIFTED TO 6.30 PM SLOT THEN?

The simple reason for this question- Ekta is a businesswoman. She needs a prime time slot to help her new show do well hence opted to get Pavitra Rishta shifted to an evening slot. Ekta is the last person who resorts to silly favouritism and politics of 'make the story bad for this generation and good for this generation'. She is a businesswoman, her MONEY goes in this show. When a show runs out of steam or TRP's drop, she takes a leap- she has done it in EVERY of her past shows. When her females lead want to quit, she will do ANYTHING to make them stay, male leads walking out doesn't affect her that much.

All fans feel that their favourites are always the worst treated but come on, just analyse it a little and think practically- no one likes to ruin a perfectly running profit giving show, certainly NOT the producer of the show.

PS: Also I find it weird how much Ekta is cursed all the time by fans of the actors that too when she hasn't done something so horrendous to deserve this.. rather she is the one who gave these actors such a good break and bcos of her all of them have secure futures now with loaded bank accounts, fame and fan following.. I am NOT a fan of Ekta at all, but no matter how much crappy her shows get from time to time, I can't refuse it that she is the one who gave these actors a break.. now I can understand if fans of someone like Pulkit Samrat cursed her cos she actually tried to ruin his career, but regarding others I am just 😕


see i respect your point of view and opinion and must say you have written it very practically.

my point is she is a pure business woman , she investing in shows i agree to it fully , i even agree that she has eagle's eye when it comes to take out diamonds from lakhs of people . but being a business woman she knows that where her profit belongs to

she knew it that what majority of the audience wants , even the show came on top 5 shows in TRP in august , that itself was a signal that what are people loving, knowing what people are wanting from you still you are doing the opposite , isnt that a deliberate and arrogant way of irritating the viewers ?

i agree that a show cant move without twists , and i feel that those are needed also , but upto a limit , after that it is intolerable . i agree that she might not have done justie to some stories of 1st gen but the way she treated second gen is itself proved that she didnt wanted to continue with the second generation story.

i dont know if you remember or not , but during the ZRA of 2012 when arvi got the jodi award , she just gave the award like a trash and moved away from the stage as if wants to get rid of this . its not only me , but it was discussed in this forum too. okay if i leave this also , can anybody please explain me , that when the second gen story got accepted and loved by the audience then instead of focusing on their story she was focusing on leap .

1st gen almost all the characters got a chance to show their story and may be ekta has not even done proper justice to them , but in second gen only arvi ovi onir and soham was the main focus (which she ruined beyond the level) and the other characters were not even given chance to show up their story. many actors left the show long before the leap because they were not given a single chance to show their talent. moreover atleast the 1st generation got whole 2.5 years whereas the second gen couldnt even get a total of 2 years also.

and excuse me we didnt filed any petition to ekta or mailed her for keeping ashvik on the show. as a fact we actually were desperate that when ashvik will leave this crapfest but yes we gave a petition for arvi reunion only.

i know the cvs write the stories , but its not like ekta is unaware of the story going on , she approves them . she knew what audience wanted but still made the seond generation story just the opposite and the result was clear to us.

regarding her not playing politics is something i would have believed a few months ago but not anymore .
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashvikluverrr

I would blame the creatives of the show..i dont know I have not watched PR much before ArVi's characters were introduced but yes I had seen few episodes..atleast the tracks were bearable unlike the tracks shown in second generation..!
I guess never in Television have cv's butchered the characters of their leads to such extent that people would start to hate them..this thing happened with Arjun Purvi..Arjun Purvi's characters were butchered beyond anything..its not like they are my favs thats why i'm saying this..i watch a lot of shows and never have I seen character assassination to such extent!
First six months of leap were amazing..Things got crazy after Arjun Ovi marriage,Double pregnancy..and then Baby swapping track which was like a final blow to viewers..after that many of us stopped watching the show I guess(including me)..started to watch the show again only when they started to show arjun purvi together!
anyways Arjun Purvi got famous..their jodi their chemistry is something that had me watching this show even with such disgusting tracks!
Cv's are the ones to blame..dont know what happened to their brains after Arjun Ovi marriage..such experienced creatives writing tracks like Double Pregnancy and Baby swapping *shakes head*
If only Arvi ovi and Soham's track had been dealt nicely..if only cv's had utilized actor's talents properly !
So glad that AshVik left this show :)


bang on post jago 👏👏👏 this is what i am trying to say but just a bit difference in point , that i completely blame ekta for that , afterall cvs work under ekta and not the vice versa. she is the one who approves the script. 🤢
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: crazyRajputfan

Haha ppl acyually believe ek kistens to wims yeah right darling .she threw smriti out of ksbkt and no she doesnt and even when she does it is them whom she think are talented as simple as that .it is business at end of day u will chose ur best employees and other get wrath so if ek budges it is for her own selfish reason.And yeah whats with being with ashvikians u guys are umm ones who cant handlr criticism .Ekta will stoo favouring ram ronit sakshi day their work is bad .it is pure business and fortunately or unfortunately even actors dont do charity and they should not it is work for them as well so dufficult to understand.

Karma is bitch is one ecploited phrase like humbleness used by fans as their whins and fancies inc me lmao


sorry but i dont know what exactly happened between smirti and ekta , but i hope everything is sorted now. and excuse you are trying to say that she only listens to the whims of the people who are best and talented, if thats the matter , then she should listen to all of her actors/actresses EQUALLY because every one has made their own identity with their talent and is an asset to ekta.
dont tell that smirti was not the best😲

as i have said if people would have told me that she dont lsten to whims and fancies of actors few months back , then i would have definately listen but after seeing present situation i cant even think about agreeing to it.

lol you are quite funny dear ashvikians cant handle critisim 😆😆😆 was that suppose to be a joke. ashvik are been bashed oops critised from january 2012 and mind it only 5 % of it was for their acting and the rest blasted on as they came as parellel lead and was getting attention , if at all i can post some so called critisim from fb and twitter and IF from past years. we will listen to every critisim till it didnt cross the thin line of bashing and abusing.

favoring anyone in any way is wrong. regarding ram ronit sakshi, they are one of the most senior actors , my full respect to them , they are veterans. of course no actor will d charity as they are giving their whole time to these shows.

regarding karma, as i have told earlier that she has to pay for the wrong deeds sooner or later , i myself has seen people suffering from what they have done. its not an overexploited supersitiuation , but a simple fact.

sorry i didnt understood the last humbleness part
Edited by ashvikian4life - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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First generation was a mess! I remember getting frustrated many times before the first leap happened, the show started showing signs of damage very early on but bounced back and had a promising leap with the second generation. The leap was a hit, fans were happy but leave it to the CVs to throw ridiculous illogical twists our way and destroy any potential that existed with the second generation cast. The worst leap is the current one though, the MU between Ovi,Arjun and Purvi never made sense, Soham turning into an alcoholic who avoided anyone finding out about his identity for 20+ years despite numerous run ins with the law is again a track that makes no sense, many of the previous generations were highly ignored until now.

Point I'm trying to make is that the CVs are at fault for not utilizing the characters or their cast well, there was so much that could have been done but instead we got stuck with poorly written storylines which did nothing but damage these characters beyond repair. I don't know if it is deliberate or not but its definitely been a major flaw for years!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rkis

Before the first 18 years leap, it was good storey that could be related to real life happenings in society. After the 18 years leap the storey was good but only to be destroyed with utter nonsense storey. The second generation storey was ruined the moment one character decide to quit. So it is a deliberate attempt and the reason is so obvious.

It is a pity that characters like Arvi, Ovi, Teju, Punni, Onir and Sunny talents was not utilize. The CVs and PH could have made the most out of these characters but what a waste. Well sure they have better opportunity on their way.

👏👏👏 very apt post. i think you kind of summarised what i have written in two long posts😆😆 . thank you so much for understanding😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pari-kirloskar

@ TM.. i somewhat agree to your post. even though first generation was also not treated well, the second gen was given a pathetic treatment... there were so many issues which could have been properly shown..

and there was a terrible character assassination of arvi.
arjun, a strong headed business man became a weak lovelorn two timing person.
purvi, the sweetest and sacrificing type girl made many wrong decisions even though she was trying to help others.

if the cvs wanted to make arvi together in the end, why did they bring that deal story and got arovi married?
arOvi and punir were nice couple and people had started appreciating it, then y did they break it to unite the leads?
if arvi loved each other they have every right to be together so accepted ... but then again why seperate them for 20 years?
arjun, ovi, purvi all 3 lead a lonely life for 20 years...

a beautiful story with a terrible twist...


i agree with you somewhere , the second generation got the patetic treatment out of all and even after doing so much without using all the characters , they rushed in for a leap.🤢

i just needed to clarify this thing, arvi was always the end game. arvi was introduced as the second lead and was meant to be together. when arovi got married , at that time fans blasted out like anything. asha went to south africa for a concert , and fans bombarded her with questions of arvi reunion. she replied that arvi will reunite but ehen even she didnt knew but their reunion was fixed.

even articles came before arovi marriage that purvi will be pregnant and arjun will return to her, there was no planning of double pregnancy and punir. as you said these things were not needed only.

the things got worst with the double pregnancy track. it was just that the majority of the audience blasted out on ekta for the non sense she was showing and demanded for arvi reunion , otherwise i cant imagine also what more would have thrown on our faces by fekta😡😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pari-kirloskar


yes...
the characters were not utilised properly..
sachin and teju didnt have any role...
and arjun having children from two woman twice dint make any sense...😕
Arjun's charcter wa severely butchered...
they could have shown him married to purvi and living happily with her and pari😳 and could have introduced a guy who falls head over heels with ovi... or..
they could have shown arjun married to ovi and slowly realizing his feelings for her and then their baby pia would have come to this world.

the story that was shown didnt impress any of the fan group.. neither ovi, onir or arvi...😭


i agree to the whole post except for arjun ovi living together. although i dont have likings towards ovi, but still i wanted that ovi should have gotten out of a one sided relationship and instead of showing arvi ovi pia ficaso, they should have shown that how ovi forwards with a new guy who accepts her with her past. in this way she would have got a fresh story apart from arvi.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashvikian4life


and excuse me we didnt filed any petition to ekta or mailed her for keeping ashvik on the show. as a fact we actually were desperate that when ashvik will leave this crapfest but yes we gave a petition for arvi reunion only.



Where did I stay that Ashvik fans filed petitions or mail Ekta for keeping them on the show? Batao mujhe kahan likha maine?😆 I wrote the petetion- line as a general statement for those serials and actors whose fans make petitions, spam the accounts of channels etc to make sure their favourite actors don't leave the show, saying that they won't accept the new actor- for example: Barun Sobti, KSG etc. I visit the forum daily, I know very well that Ashvik fans wanted their favourites to leave the show and were happy when it finally happened. My point was that there was a point when PR's story sucked so badly that we Sushant-Ankita fans wanted them to get out of the show as we hated it, and when Sushant quit we were so happy that unlike other fans we never sent mails or petitions requesting him to stay. For us it was a 'Ja Simran ja, jee le apni zindagi' wala DDLJ moment.😆 So no, it's not like the first generation was completely flawless and Ekta and her team didn't do any blunders.

Ekta did not give a bad story deliberately to second generation bcos she had some personal agendas or weird reasons. If the story was bad, it was not done intentionally bcos she had problems with people, rather it's bcos the writers come up with stupid twists, they do that all the time, for first generation, second generation and will do it for third generation also. What the audience wants almost never happens in Ekta's shows. Blame Ekta for being sadistic to her audience by giving a beautiful story line first and then ruining it, thus making the audience hang on to her show for years in hope of a reunion. But if Ekta really had problems with anyone in second generation then she would have replaced them rather than making all the effort to give them a bad storyline and thus ruin her own show (thus losing her own money) and also pay them big amounts of money. If this is her idea of revenge, then I say she is a really bad businesswoman.

At most I can say that Ekta ignored the show during the second generation as she was busy in other stuff- especially her films- or cos she left the show to her stupid CVs and that affected the quality of the show, or bcos the whole team thought these twists would hook the audience and this was their usual bakwaas story wali strategy. But I don't believe that it was done bcos she had agendas or she intentionally wanted to ruin her own show, there have been periods when she has neglected PR first generation story also bcos of other commitments and she accepted it herself- I am repeating myself but if she really had problems with anyone, she cud have just replaced them rather than ruin her own show. Please keep in mind, Ekta has not survived in the Telly industry for so long by letting personal equations and politics come in the way of business. Rather she is very shrewd. Irrespective of her equations with the actor, if she feels the actor is really important to the show, she will do her best to retain the person on the show, but if she has problems with actors, she wont give them a bad storyline deliberately, to ruin her show.

Isse zyada I have nothing more to say, people can believe what they want.
Edited by nikitagmc - 11 years ago
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Now its like "Ram Teri Ganga Meli"

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