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Posted: 11 years ago
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Its good you not want to obay your matter of fact and lows to other . If you think what you say is matter of fact its dosnt mean every one think what you say is matter of fact ok. You think Ovi is a perpetual victim Fine,But- that's Not My Point of View. If A sister donate her daughter to her sister for her betterment its crime in ur thought not mine for me its not a crime.


if she wanted to donate baby then why not she did with knowledge of ovi but she hide to everyone ...donation is that which is doing with knowledge of accept er not hide the real truth to them...its baby exchange ...not donation...

and one question is she exchange baby bcz pari is her and arjun,s daughter in that way pari will be get her real father's name...and claim its for ovi's bhalayei...could she did same if pari was onir and her daughter then she could gave pari to ovi for ovi's bhalayei...no never then why its claim for ovi's bhalayei...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: persistence-win

Whatever Ovi has Accepted atleast, for the acts she did do and also for the act that she didn't, Arjun calling his visit to Ovi as a cause of his separation with Purvi! Hello Ovi didn't call you, it was you who went to her because you couldn't find a one damn Comfortable hotel in Canada, His excuses are as Pathetic as it can get. Purvi for last 20 yrs and even now- had she said a single Sorry for breaking D family away, she and that Pari are calling the shots on every damn member of the family courtesy that Archana When will She Accept-Anything?

Regarding Criminality of baby-swapping this point has been discussed to death and Purvi is defended for her Intentions. My point is and As Law Grad is- Is baby swapping without consent of the mother is a Crime?-Yes Sec -317,318 IPC. Did Onir swapped Ovi's baby with Intention of swapping it?-Yes. Did Purvi had prior knowledge of this act and Did she Instigate, Pursued and Co-aligned for the Commission of that act?-Yes. Did Purvi and Onir had the intention of swapping that baby and Did they act in Furtherance of that Common-Intention?-Yes. NOW if all requisites for an act to be labelled as Offence are fulfilled and all Facts which ensures conviction of a person/people who committed that offence has been Proved-Then what God-forsaken Argument is available in Defence of this Mahaan Purvi. I never Heard committing an Criminal Offence with Good-intentions, Suppose Committing Rape, Murder and other Offences for Good Intentions and Causing Bhalaai- How does it sound? Ridiculous- I believe, Same with these Wierd arguments that All Criminal Acts of Purvi are for Bhalaai and done Good intentions.

You have cited Section 317 & Section 318 IPC and your question what argument is available in defense of Purvi? Yes baby swapping is a crime. The question is have this crime been proven against Purvi and Onir? The elements of a crime (i) actus reus (the act) and (ii) mens rea (the intention) have these elements of crime been proven against Purvi and Onir?

Purvi - did she commit the act of swapping the baby? Did she perform the act of swapping Ovi's dead baby? The answer is no, so the first element of crime is missing. Did she have the intention to swap the baby? It was her idea, the answer is yes. The second element is fulfilled? To prove the crime both elements need to be full field and proven, here in Purvi's case one element to prove the crime is missing, that is the act. So is there a prima facie case against Purvi? From my legal back ground the answer is No. Do Purvi need a defense here my answer is No.

Onir - did he commit the act of swapping the baby? Onir being in the medical profession he is aware that it is against his medical ethics to swap the baby. Yet he went ahead performed the act of swapping the dead baby. He committed the act of swapping and disposing off the dead baby, so the answer is Yes, the first element of crime is fulfilled. Did he have the intention to swap the baby? It was not his idea, even though it was not his idea he is aware that it is wrong and against his medical ethics to swap the baby. Onir performed the act with the intention of swapping the dead baby because he was aware of what he is doing and he also knows the consequences of it. The second element of crime is fulfilled. Both elements of crime exist and a prima facie case against Onir can be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

As for argument of good intention is from laypeople and bear in mind here not all possess legal knowledge or from legal back ground. Without applying any legal knowledge I would also say whatever Purvi did was without any intention of malice.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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WHY is adoption a big deal ? Why ? Anything tht happens everyone starts commenting on how ovi fans mentioned adoption ? Why ?! Ever since I was 5, I've wanted to adopt two girls and I will one day ! Adoption is the best thing one can do in the planet ! And if everyone adopted the world would be a better place ! It is very saddening to see people try to criticize ovi fans by saying they dislike purvi because she is adopted
Why ? I've never heard any ovi fan complaining they dislike purvi because she is adopting their issue lies in the fact that deshmukhs try to be so mahaan that they give priority to their adopted child over bio kids which is not fair ! If things work out , I never want to give birth but I want to be a parent to two adopted kids and I find it highly disrespectful everytimempeople are bringing in purvis biological history
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Posted: 11 years ago
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You have cited Section 317 & Section 318 IPC and your question what argument is available in defense of Purvi? Yes baby swapping is a crime. The question is have this crime been proven against Purvi and Onir? The elements of a crime (i) actus reus (the act) and (ii) mens rea (the intention) have these elements of crime been proven against Purvi and Onir?

Purvi - did she commit the act of swapping the baby? Did she perform the act of swapping Ovi's dead baby? The answer is no, so the first element of crime is missing. Did she have the intention to swap the baby? It was her idea, the answer is yes. The second element is fulfilled? To prove the crime both elements need to be full field and proven, here in Purvi's case one element to prove the crime is missing, that is the act. So is there a prima facie case against Purvi? From my legal back ground the answer is No. Do Purvi need a defense here my answer is No.


she did not swapped the baby by her hand but she forced to onir to do it by emotionally blackmailing and she is a educated girl mostly she handled ovt industry in every matter so she better knows about which illegal or which is legal...so her crime would be not ignore and one thing if the baby was onir and purvi's child then she could same act what she did ...the answer is no in this case she never donate her baby ,if she could gave ovi the child then she will be do infront of others...but here she hide so that no one will be know that she was pregnant before marriage which was against archana's sanskar...by the baby swapping and hiding about this her prority was pari will be get her real father's love without damage her image infront of family members...


in my background supari killer and master mind both r criminal...and also always police and law wanted to catch the master mind of game bcz he/she was main criminal...and also in theif case theif and theif leader both r criminal...so purvi did not do by her hand that not means she will be innocent ...she is also criminal......

Onir - did he commit the act of swapping the baby? Onir being in the medical profession he is aware that it is against his medical ethics to swap the baby. Yet he went ahead performed the act of swapping the dead baby. He committed the act of swapping and disposing off the dead baby, so the answer is Yes, the first element of crime is fulfilled. Did he have the intention to swap the baby? It was not his idea, even though it was not his idea he is aware that it is wrong and against his medical ethics to swap the baby. Onir performed the act with the intention of swapping the dead baby because he was aware of what he is doing and he also knows the consequences of it. The second element of crime is fulfilled. Both elements of crime exist and a prima facie case against Onir can be proven beyond reasonable doubt.


yes onir also did crime by listening purvi's blackmailing...he is a strong ,loyal person he could handle purvi in strong way just like at kolkata when purvi forced him to come mumbai he did not came untill he himself not feel he should do it...but he failed to make understand purvi..and its true he tried to best to make understand purvi but stbbron purvi did not listen him and continue forced him and he melted due to his love towards purvi with heavy heart (bcz he considered pari is his own child )...any way he only punished badly for his only one crime also...and also learn from his mistake and never repeat again and smartly go away and return to his own world again......

As for argument of good intention is from laypeople and bear in mind here not all possess legal knowledge or from legal back ground. Without applying any legal knowledge I would also say whatever Purvi did was without any intention of malice.


she did without any intention of malice where she get time to think about it...she had only thought if truth will be come no one forgive her and her image will be damage and d clan will be broke all relationship with her if ovi will be hurt etc. etc. etc. where is her thought when onir told her ovi never be accept the child bcz child is her and arjun's ...so decided she will be give baby without knowledge of ovi ...so that her baby will be get her real fathers identity , ovi will be happy by staying in dark and arjun will be closed her by baby all wish about her child rights will be full..without knowledge of her wrong step o f before marriage ( its called a shortcut method .., just like people fallow for being more money but its never good for anyone)...if we can forgive purvi in baby swapping case by told she has no bad intention ...then also we should no problem by ovi's hiding about pia...bcz she also did without any malice...she hide it so that again no one force to arjun and ovi to stay with ovi and again arjun will be unhappy , she hide it so that arvi marriage will be held , she hide so that her family will be not face more problem ...she has also nobel intention...and most important things she did not swapped other baby ,its her baby and her right what she will be do with baby...she did not snatched other's motherly right about her dead baby ...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rkis

You have cited Section 317 & Section 318 IPC and your question what argument is available in defense of Purvi? Yes baby swapping is a crime. The question is have this crime been proven against Purvi and Onir? The elements of a crime (i) actus reus (the act) and (ii) mens rea (the intention) have these elements of crime been proven against Purvi and Onir?

Purvi - did she commit the act of swapping the baby? Did she perform the act of swapping Ovi's dead baby? The answer is no, so the first element of crime is missing. Did she have the intention to swap the baby? It was her idea, the answer is yes. The second element is fulfilled? To prove the crime both elements need to be full field and proven, here in Purvi's case one element to prove the crime is missing, that is the act. So is there a prima facie case against Purvi? From my legal back ground the answer is No. Do Purvi need a defense here my answer is No.

Onir - did he commit the act of swapping the baby? Onir being in the medical profession he is aware that it is against his medical ethics to swap the baby. Yet he went ahead performed the act of swapping the dead baby. He committed the act of swapping and disposing off the dead baby, so the answer is Yes, the first element of crime is fulfilled. Did he have the intention to swap the baby? It was not his idea, even though it was not his idea he is aware that it is wrong and against his medical ethics to swap the baby. Onir performed the act with the intention of swapping the dead baby because he was aware of what he is doing and he also knows the consequences of it. The second element of crime is fulfilled. Both elements of crime exist and a prima facie case against Onir can be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

As for argument of good intention is from laypeople and bear in mind here not all possess legal knowledge or from legal back ground. Without applying any legal knowledge I would also say whatever Purvi did was without any intention of malice.

Fabulous post...👏👏👏
I do not come from a legal background so I did not know about the elements needed to prove the crime. Thanks for putting them in so lucidly.
Good intention or not, I remember most of the Purvi fans have castigated her for baby swapping.
I being a layman and you coming from a legal background can you enlighten me as to aren't there sections under IPC those recognize HURT, HUMILIATION and BLACKMAIL as crimes too?
And aren't there statues ( I dunno whether it is in India or not) that bars pregnant mother from drinking during pregnancy notwithstanding being hormonal and unhappiness?

Edited by bitasta - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ilovedhanjanird

WHY is adoption a big deal ? Why ? Anything tht happens everyone starts commenting on how ovi fans mentioned adoption ? Why ?! Ever since I was 5, I've wanted to adopt two girls and I will one day ! Adoption is the best thing one can do in the planet ! And if everyone adopted the world would be a better place ! It is very saddening to see people try to criticize ovi fans by saying they dislike purvi because she is adopted

Why ? I've never heard any ovi fan complaining they dislike purvi because she is adopting their issue lies in the fact that deshmukhs try to be so mahaan that they give priority to their adopted child over bio kids which is not fair ! If things work out , I never want to give birth but I want to be a parent to two adopted kids and I find it highly disrespectful everytimempeople are bringing in purvis biological history


u r8 here no one mentioned that arman should protect purvi bcz she was adopted and should protect ovi bcz she is bio kid...etc but some people always blame others that r u human , ur comment on adopting etc. etc...when some one comment on purvi's wrong action...


in my pov both hv full attention and love whether its bio or adopted...and in wrong action also both hv punished in same way ...if some one adopted that not means she will be get forgive ...love should equal towards all child...


i am happy to know lovebird that u want adopted a child...thats good...i always support the couple who has no child and suggested them for adopted a orphan child ...but not adopt ur sister child or brother child who already hv family...by doing this u will be snatched parental right of real parents and from child their real family...but if u adopted a orphan child then she/he will be get a family and u will be get a child...i am strongly against of s arrogate mother and father system ...
i hv no brother so my parents decided after my and my sister marriage they will be adopted a boy and we all agree with this
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Fabulous post...👏👏👏
I do not come from a legal background so I did not know about the elements needed to prove the crime. Thanks for putting them in so lucidly.
Good intention or not, I remember most of the Purvi fans have castigated her for baby swapping.
I being a layman and you coming from a legal background can you enlighten me as to aren't there sections under IPC those recognize HURT, HUMILIATION and BLACKMAIL as crimes too?
And aren't there statues ( I dunno whether it is in India or not) that bars pregnant mother from drinking during pregnancy notwithstanding being hormonal and unhappiness?


ya sure plz en-light also about that in which category these crimes r come...

1- support a criminal and help him who abuse a girl and hide him in ur home

2- and also a forcing a man to marry some one for fullfill her deal without knowledge of man about deal

3- support a criminal and hide about real truth from court (whether its sachin or soham)

4-and also for blackmail to not tell truth


in which section these r comes under ips rule..

Edited by onirfans - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Its good you not want to obay your matter of fact and lows to other . If you think what you say is matter of fact its dosnt mean every one think what you say is matter of fact ok. You think Ovi is a perpetual victim Fine,But- that's Not My Point of View. If A sister donate her daughter to her sister for her betterment its crime in ur thought not mine for me its not a crime.


if she wanted to donate baby then why not she did with knowledge of ovi but she hide to everyone ...donation is that which is doing with knowledge of accept er not hide the real truth to them...its baby exchange ...not donation...

They show this action in some circumstances at that time when firstly ovi not wanted baby but ofter time she accepted its difficult for her to handle the baby loss as they show her nature so at that time they decided to give the baby to avoid any physco reaction by Ovi . so its donation in some way.

and one question is she exchange baby bcz pari is her and arjun,s daughter in that way pari will be get her real father's name...and claim its for ovi's bhalayei...could she did same if pari was onir and her daughter then she could gave pari to ovi for ovi's bhalayei...no never then why its claim for ovi's bhalayei...

That is ur imagination because in serial they not shown Purvi think herself or sharing onir that she gave the baby to ovi to give the name of arjun. As for if pari was onir and her daughter then she could gave pari to ovi for ovi's bhalaye then my ans is yes whatever they show Purvi nature she did the same.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: onirfans

Fabulous post...👏👏👏
I do not come from a legal background so I did not know about the elements needed to prove the crime. Thanks for putting them in so lucidly.
Good intention or not, I remember most of the Purvi fans have castigated her for baby swapping.
I being a layman and you coming from a legal background can you enlighten me as to aren't there sections under IPC those recognize HURT, HUMILIATION and BLACKMAIL as crimes too?
And aren't there statues ( I dunno whether it is in India or not) that bars pregnant mother from drinking during pregnancy notwithstanding being hormonal and unhappiness?


ya sure plz en-light also about that in which category these crimes r come...

1- support a criminal and help him who abuse a girl and hide him in ur home

2- and also a forcing a man to marry some one for fullfill her deal without knowledge of man about deal

3- support a criminal and hide about real truth from court (whether its sachin or soham)

4-and also for blackmail to not tell truth


in which section these r comes under ips rule..

Can you just read my post properly before POUNCING IN.
I said I DO NOT COME FROM A LEGAL BACKGROUND. So I don;t know about IPC
So, I was asking those questions to one who come from a legal background...
In heights of desperation to pull others down, it is not a good thing to put on a blinkers, is it?
Besides, as you seem to know so much about it... why ask me? a layman. Please enlighten on those and answer my questions too if you please..

Edited by bitasta - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bitasta


ya sure plz en-light also about that in which category these crimes r come...

1- support a criminal and help him who abuse a girl and hide him in ur home

2- and also a forcing a man to marry some one for fullfill her deal without knowledge of man about deal

3- support a criminal and hide about real truth from court (whether its sachin or soham)

4-and also for blackmail to not tell truth


in which section these r comes under ips rule..

Can you just read my post properly before POUNCING IN.
I said I DO NOT COME FROM A LEGAL BACKGROUND. So I don;t know about IPC
So, I was asking those questions to one who come from a legal background...
In heights of desperation to pull others down, it is not a good thing to put on a blinkers, is it?
Besides, as you seem to know so much about it... why ask me? a layman. Please enlighten on those and answer my questions too if you please..


sorry i read ur comment but i did not asked u ...i just add these points in ur points ... so that anyone will be enlight in this matter she/he will be also enlight about this points...by mistakenly this comment post in half way

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