Onir will change the DNA tests:Mod note Pg5 - Page 7

You see, Janhvi, this is what comes of thinking too much about PR!😉 None of the points you have raised is such as cannot be explained away easily, but if you are determined to see a dark shade in Onir, why then you will see it, for no one can prove a negative.

Let us take the organ trafficking charge against Onir, which is patently ridiculous. Mittal raises it to turn the tables on Onir, and kill two birds with one stone. Before Onir dug up that racket in the KV Hospital - which, by the way, was an open and shut affair, which forced Mittal to at least appear to sack Kundan in the spot - all was hunky dory. If Onir had been into organ trafficking, why would he expose Kundan at all? He would have joined forces with him and expanded his area of operations, and milked Mittal for whatever the traffic would bear for cooperating with him.

For you to think that Onir must be guilty because Why does Mittal accuse him of it? is really not worthy of you, my dear! As for why he does not report Kundan at once, he sees now that it is a mistake, but he does that because he thinks Kundan has been fired and he does not want to get Mittal, now a relative of his, into more trouble. It was ill-advised, as it turned out, but ill-intentioned? No.

As I noted above, if Onir was a master organ-trafficker, why would he be in any trouble at all now, after warning Mittal that he was going to report him? He would have told Mittal he was a fool to employ an inefficient chap like Kundan, and offered to do much better himself.

To sum up,the idea of Onir being guilty of organ trafficking is completely illogical and untenable. Not that you really believe it either; I suspect it is more that you are tired of liking him and want to play devil's advocate and have some fun.

As for his not wanting Purvi to come to court. It is because he is half afraid that though he has switched the DVD (why do they always call it a CD?), Mittal might have spotted the exchange and got another, correct copy. This would have led not just to Onir being exposed as a liar in open court, but to Ovi becoming hysterical and very likely violently abusing Purvi and Onir. He knows that Purvi is in a depressed and fragile emotional state - witness the way she breaks down and weeps all over him when he gets bail and comes back home - and he probably wants to spare her the initial, and very unpleasant shock of exposure in the open court. And it would have been VERY unpleasant all round. He tells Purvi as much when she asks why he did not tell her of the switch before they left for court. It is because he is not sure he has actually got a reprieve.

He also knows that it is just a reprieve, not an escape.What impressed me yesterday, even more than his cleverness and quick thinking in switching the DVDs, was the quiet strength and calm with which Onir faces his likely disgrace and downfall, even as Purvi seems to be doing her best to drive him up the wall with her lamentations and her panic-stricken weeping. He not only steadies her then, but even after the court hearing is over, he neither discounts the probability that Mittal will have another copy and will produce it at the next hearing, nor does he panic at the prospect, or let Purvi panic.

He seems almost satvik as he contemplates his bleak future, and one gets the feeling that this is how he really is, he is not putting on a brave face for show. Such detached, clear-eyed courage is admirable.

Now, if you are insisting that even the adroitness with which he changed those CDs "boded some evil intent behind it all", I have nothing more to say, except that I suspect some very devious ( I was going to say 'evil', but settled for 'devious'!) intent behind your new tack!😉 Janhvi, how can you? I was very pleased that for once Onir displayed some street smartness and some survival instinct. Would you refrain from detecting some 'evil intent' in him only if he had been cornered in court, like a bali ka bakra thanks to his being besotted with your ex-ladli, and sent to jail?

Well, as for his stopping Purvi from spilling the beans now, please note that it is he who will cop it in professional terms, not she. She got him into this, and now she wants to chicken out and leave him to hold the bag. What will happen to her? Nothing. She would probably have got another laurel wreath for her tyaag if Archana had not been in a coma. But what about him? If it came out that a gynaecologist had actually swapped babies, no matter is it was with the best of intentions, he would be finished professionally, and for good. It would be the same even if he was not struck off the rolls. He would never get a single patient more, not even the poor from the slums of Kolkata, who would be the first to shun him. Do you then wonder at why he does not want the baby swapping to come out?

You might want to applaud your ladli for wanting to spill the beans now in a blue funk -after all old habits die hard!😉- but I do not. I would be more inclined to take a hatchet to the wretched girl. She should have thought of all this before she bamboozled him into it - clinging to his hands, weeping all over him, Onir, aapne har waqt mera saath diya hai, ab bhi mera saath denge na? She plays him like a violin, and the benighted idiot caves in. And dooms himself to being at the mercy of this undependable, irresponsible and, as far as he is concerned, completely selfish and uncaring woman with whom he has had the misfortune to fall in love. In his place, I would also have emptied a jug of cold water over her bewigged head!

As for his preemptive and decisive "no" to her sudden wish to share her wrong doing with the family, that is because that is the only way to handle a hysterical female, who bleats Onir, ab ham kya karenge? Sab kuch khatam ho gaya! Some wife to have at his side when things go wrong! And it is not as though he does not cite any reason against the disclosure, for he does tell her that once she knows the truth, Ovi will reject Pari. That is enough to silence her.

Oh yes, the marriage, into which he 'bamboozled' her. Of course he should have let her carry on as an unwed mother in Kolkatta. The NGO would have dispensed with her services as soon as she started showing, fearing a scandal. No landlord would have rented accommodation to a 'loose woman'. Women would have sneered at her in the mohalla and assorted men would made passes at her thinking that she would be readily available.

Yes, Onir should have left her to face all this, in order not to be accused by you now of having 'bamboozled' her into marrying him. Of course he bamboozled her also so that he could have the incomparable delights of being dragged to Mumbai, stuck with her dysfunctional relatives, carted to the K house when Ovi kicks Purvi out of the D house and, last but not the least, sleeping on the hard floor and making her morning bed tea, and all this without any spousal benefits or rights.

So do enlighten me, dearest Janhvi, why would a supposedly devious Onir do all this to marry a penniless girl who neither loves him nor even cares for him, unless he happened to love her? This last was a capital mistake, but then all lovers are insane one way or the other, and why should Onir be an exception to this?

Now for the blackmail money that Onir manages to salvage by grabbing it while Vinay runs off. It is 3 lakhs, or USD 6000/- .Onir does not need to collar this amount to say afloat; he would have been paid 10 times that much for a short attachment to a foreign hospital, and if he wanted it, he could have made tens of lakhs with any of the big hospital chains like Apollo. But he chooses to avoid all these options, and lives on a budget so shoestring that even his mishti complains about the funds squeeze. If he so was money-minded, why would he do that, pray? So where does this new doubt about him, concerning those 3 lakhs, come from?

Have I left out any of your reasons for turning a jaundiced eye on Onir ? Yes, why does he not dissuade Purvi from the baby swap. It is, I think,because, for all his talk of hamara bachcha, he does not think he has any real right to it. If it had been his kid, I do not think he would have allowed it,for then he would have had a right of refusal.

Lastly, I am surprised at your being dismayed that Purvi is not in the least concerned about what not just might but, as far as she knew, was going to happen to Onir, personally and professionally. She is like that only, and has always been like that only. They talk so much of her sacrifices. What she specialises in is human sacrifice, and her score in this now stands at 2.5.

And with that, Your Honour, I rest my case!😉 Not that any of the above will stop you from peering at Onir with a giant magnifying glass looking for sins and sleaziness.😉

But as I told Naava earlier, Onir is not a good candidate for a villain. Sometimes, I wish he was, and that he would become a sleek, silky, suave arch-manipulator, like Hrithik's Zafar Khan in the excellent Luck by Chance. That would be much more interesting than this goody two shoes. But Ekta has modelled what I am told is one of her favourite characters after another such, Rajat Kapur in BALH, and he is a preux chevalier to the end. So, I am convinced, will Onir be, alas!😉

Shyamala

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Shyamala, Naava, for the first time yesterday I was a little uncomfortable about Onir.

Apart from whether he should be with Purvi or not, I have always credited him with a transparent good nature. Something was out of place yesterday, couldn't put my finger on it exactly. Onir's reluctance to let Purvi come to court, his reticence in telling her about the switch in the CDs, even the adroitness with which he changed those CDs, boded some evil intent behind it all.

Also, contrary to what some have insisted, Purvi is the one that has been bursting to spill the beans. After the Mittal confrontation, she wanted to go tell all, Onir held her back. Yesterday, she wanted to confess, he again pulled her back. I can understand if he "discusses" the option of baring all and then by citing the reasons against the disclosure, persuades her not to tell everyone. That is not how he has been operating, it is a preemptive and decisive "no" to her wish to share her wrong doing with the family.

Thinking back, Onir was readily acquiescent to the baby swapping, yes, he did ask her, "are you sure you can live with this" but no strong dissuasion especially as Purvi was in no state to make a sensible decision.

Maybe, just maybe there is more than meets the eye with this man. Onir bamboozled Purvi into marrying him, done ever so sweetly, the wait (court marriage) which takes a month or two was readily waived for him, I am a little on the fence as regards to him now. Even the money snatching when the police arrived on the blackmailer scene was clever, yes, at that moment it did appear as just an opportune move but was it really? Is Onir sly? Is he there for ulterior motives? His shades of grey if as Shyamala writes can be attributed solely to a man of close to 40 being in love for the very first time, I may reluctantly excuse him. Why does Mittal accuse him of organ trafficking? Baby swapping, yes, but organ trafficking? A far fetch or mistake on the part of the CVs? Why did Onir a good doctor not report Mittal and Kundan the very first time? Any doctor worth his salt whose profession demands he save lives not destroy them, would and should have been appalled enough to have raised immediate hell over the entire sordid situation. Why did not the good doctor, Onir? Are the CVs leading us a merry dance again?

All that said, two things displeased me about yesterday's epi, Purvi's dwelling on her sin of baby switching with no thought or mention of Onir possibly languishing in jail for long years and secondly, I did not like Onir's almost forceful stopping of Purvi from confessing, did not sit right at all.

One thing that did please immensely was Ovi's return to the demented zone, her panic, her nightmare, made me smile. Her terror at having something she believes is hers being prised away from her, warmed the cockles of my heart. Not punishment enough for snatching Arjun (yes, I have registered all the arguments that hold Purvi at fault but they make not a whit of a difference to me when it comes to Ovi's guilt) from Purvi. I gleefully hope she, Ovi, stews in this misery of doubt and fear for a really long while. Leopards don't change their spots and she for all her goody two shoes behavior lately, can never change her inherent arrogance or selfishness. She may be pitiful in her insecurities but good, not at all.

As for Onir past being dark, it is still speculative. There isn't much to draw any conclusions, other than he has fallen, but then as Shymala says if Purvi is Circe, well, men do become 🐷 and lose their manhood (?) too 😆😆

I think many wants to see Onir black, it is like Ovi and Romil 😆

Dear Jyoti,

You don't have to say sorry to me! It is a free forum, and I am perfectly capable of defending any character I believe in against all comers, whether it was Arjun then or Onir now. I have dumped a 2 pager on Jhanvi, and by the time she has waded thru it, she will think carefully before voicing dark (and unfounded) suspicions about Onir just because she is tired of liking him. She will not want another 3 pager!😉

As for you, since you need a pick me up, seeing the sorry state in which our boy is, and where he seems likely to remain, I give you leave to weave dark scenarios of a villainous Onir if that pleases you.

I myself sometimes wish he could become a deep, dark, high class arch villain. That would be a nice change from his present avatar. But NOT a cheap sleaze bag in the style of Mittal the Mamba!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: jdronamraju

Jhanvi, Naava
I will withhold my 'I told ya' on Onir a little longer, but I am sure I will get there soon 😊 ... Sorry Shyamala, but that has been my belief about him from the begining as you know.

BTW, I feel that this whole dna testing will be just a dud, and a no fizz track.. All they are gng to do is a paternity test which is useless.. Or the good doc will do his act once again to get himself and mishti out of trouble. They will still keep both the moms freaking out for a few weeks more and us pulling our hair out of frustration at this stupidity :)

Kalapi my dear,

If you have the patience for it, do look thru my thesis above on the Dark Onir. You might find it interesting,

As for your post below, I agree in toto. He is done for, poor Onir, and will end up, very likely, as Purvi's human sacrifice No.2. She,of course, will carry on lamenting about her parivaar, which does not seem to include him, as she seems least bothered about the disgrace that awaits him, for all she knows. She also shrieks and weeps and drives him up the wall with her panic-sticken wails of Sab kuch khatam ho gaya! Ab ham kya karenge Onir? What a wife to have when he faces such professional and personal disaster!

As for the calumny floated periodically about Ovi and Romil, I always found it disgusting, even when Ovi was at the peak of her hysterical tantrums and got on my nerves big time, and I have said so repeatedly. She is a one man woman, and that man is Arjun.But people will clutch at any straw when they want to.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Kalapi

As for Onir past being dark, it is still speculative. There isn't much to draw any conclusions, other than he has fallen, but then as Shymala says if Purvi is Circe, well, men do become 🐷 and lose their manhood (?) too 😆😆

I think many wants to see Onir black, it is like Ovi and Romil 😆

Kools,

I agree with everything except the bit in blue. The parts I liked best are underlined.

I wrote at that time sharply criticising Purvi for lecturing Arjun about Soham/Vishnu in front of DK. It was uncalled for and impertinent. Very soon thereafter, the same Purvi was silent when Teju blasted Vishnu and refused to acknowledge him as her brother.Why the difference? It is because she knew Arjun would take anything from her, but Teju would not and would react brutally.

As for Arjun and the shawl, it was ridiculous and demeaning, and Arjun looked pathetic. And as for Purvi letting her husband sleep on the floor while she luxuriates in the bed, the less said about it the better. He might offer to sleep on the floor, but she should have stopped him. If he wanted to make advances to her, he would have done so long ago. Does she not trust him even so far? She uses and uses and uses him, that is all, and now he is going to be finished off for his idiocy in letting her bamboozle him into swapping the babies. As I wrote earlier on this thread, he will be her human sacrifice No. 2.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Ovi is the only character in this show who knows how to prioritize .

First she prioritized Arjun , even above herself . So important was he to her that she even made a deal to get him back . The deal can be looked at in many ways . In a way it was importance given to Arjun . Going to any lengths for Arjun . Arjun was that important to her . Mera Arjun . Always she said that . Everybody says that it proves she did not love her mother and even her father for he wanted her mother...but putting Arjun over her father and mother is very flattering to Arjun wouldn't you say .

Besides the deal got her father her mother back .😆😆 What her father couldn't accomplish with his entreaties she did with that deal . She got her estranged mother back . She got her fiancee back . She showed up the wonderful paragon for what she really was ...what importance she really gave Arjun . Zilch .

In that deal , while it was proven that Purvi gave Arjun zero importance , it was also proven that Ovi gave him far too much importance . I would be flattered if I was Arjun after calming down and thinking over it .

Ovi gave him importance even above her brother . She alone, along with Teju refused to accept him as a sibling as he had pumped 2 bullets in her husband . Purvi , for whom Arjun took the bullets , gave that fact scant importance . She lectured him in front of his dad about calling her gunda brother a gunda . What to call him then ...Mr Soham ? Besides it was outright disrespect of his dad . What about the fact that other people value their children's life just like Purvi values her brother ? Naturally DK values his son's life more , right ?

I wish Ovi had heard her then and blasted her in front of Archana as a Kirloskar bahu .

Ovi always respected DK . She even used to ask him before coming to maika till he told her otherwise . While Purvi gave Arjun's dad scant respect by not thinking once how he would feel when she suddenly called the elaborate wedding off , or how he would feel when she lectured Arjun in front of him inspite of his son taking 2 bullets , Ovi valued Arjun's dad .

But Arjun proved a reality of the world ...he ran after the woman who gave him no value . To this day he is doing just that . That same woman wished Soham , her so called brother was dead when her own mom was shot however . At that time 'my brother ' yada yada flew out of the window .

Today i want the ARVI reunion and the divorce more than anything else ...i want it for Ovi . She has a dead baby and a disinterested husband . Let her cut her losses and start afresh . Let ARVI unite with their kid and be happy .

Today Ovi prioritizes her kid . Purvi gave the kid away within minutes , she holds it fiercely to her chest . Thats how it should be .

I would not say Arjun should take his kid and run from both the women as i do not believe he has the capacity to be a real father . He has the capacity to be a lover but it ends there . I have wanted it like anything ...him crazy about his little princess but it has just not been shown . Had it been so , he would have draped the shawl around his baby , not gone after his ex with it . The ex could get her own shawl if she was feeling cold . She was adult enough . No , Arjun will have to snap out of 'Darmiyaan' if he ever takes this step but he is going exactly Manav's way .

Neither would I say Onir faced the possibility of his disgrace with quiet strength . I would say he resigned himself to it as he had no other option .

Sometimes i feel sorry for Onir . He doesn't even have the simple sukh of a married man ...coming to his own home in the evening , being served a hot meal by his wife , sharing the same bed at night instead of sleeping on the floor . Purvi sits shamelessly and eats readymade food prepared by Maami , has made him give up his own home and practice and stay in her mama mami's sansaar , is cool with the fact that he sleeps on the floor and that they don't have a real marraige . She doesn't even make the morning tea for him . He makes it . He has got nothing in this marraige , absolutely nothing . Just stripping of dignity .

Dear, dear Shyamala, lol:) I, like that dumb attorney, require a two day adjournment to mull over your side of the case!! Well, not two days, perhaps, a few hours :)

I am not tired of liking Onir at all but the whole of PR seems so lack luster that I am infusing imaginary color into his character. I do have a tendency to get bored with redundancy and repetition and PR has no dearth of either lately. So your dash of a suave villain a la Amir in Fida rather than a cross between the long suffering Edgar of Wuthering Heights and the wimpy Ashley from Gone with the Wind would suit the old doctor from Kolkatta better! His "kaisi ho" at every turn is beginning to grate just as much as his plying Mishti with an unending supply of daavaiyein!

Shymala dear, I so wish that Onir did not propose ladli Purvi and ladli Purvi could have faced the world with her unwedded nishani and Ekta had the guts to show what it is to be pregnant and unwedded in India. I have said many times unwedded pregnancy isn't even easy in the West with their 'progressive' outlook on sex, but in India...hmmm...that could have been a different ball game altogether. At least then all the arguments against Onir and he being only responsible for proposing to his Sandesh could have fallen flat maybe then there could even be a petition 😉 to get a guy to marry ladli and save her honor. I couldn't believe all the arguments I have read here of how Ladli could have stayed unmarried and carried through with her glorious pregnancy and how he blackmailed her into accepting...it is Purvi's lucky star that Onir fell in love and was doomed that very moment, much like Arjun. But err...then Purvi is that Sorceress that does things to men, and Onir has simply fallen flat from his principled life'and there is no reverse button for Onir, atleast not for me, so I find it sad and disappointing that Onir didn't have the character strength to keep his Sandesh in check -

Kool very well said, as for Purvi, what is more to say. She gives up Arjun a few hours after being in his arms and her baby, a few minutes after birth. I find no words that to describe her anymore'.don't really know what goes inside that brain...

Without that doctor she is nothing . It is not she who is great in that marraige ...what has she done .😆😆 She was so immature she had not even thought it out ...she thought she would manage the unwed pregnancy just like that in an Indian society . He is her shield who has saved her from a truckload of badnaami and was with her every moment of the way . He even broke his professional ethics for her ...i don't approve it and never will ...but there is a saying in Marathi ...Kaatdyache jode ghatle payaat tari kami

Kalapi, while we can sanctify Ovi, we must remember, she did NOT bring her mother and father together, that credit goes to Teju who exposed her grandmother at that gala affair.

One cannot have it both ways, insist Purvi's sacrifice did not bring her parents together and yet at the same time give credit to Ovi for being "pragmatic" in killing two birds with one stone for hatching such a heinous plot. Ovi is not capable of sparing a thought to anyone else except herself.

And Kalapi, if her excuse for snatching Arjun is because she thought Puvi was after his money, how ridiculous is she. Purvi did tear up the check, she didn't realize it then? Or is it because Ovi is so demented and lives in her own imaginary world where Arjun loves her? I wouldn't even grant her that last excuse.

Ovi is a wily, selfish woman who knew she wanted Arjun at all costs and made sure she got him. The Canada events where she lied that she was engaged to him, where she openly flirted with another to entrap Arjun, her offer to buy him off Purvi with that check, and ultimately her coup de grace to usurp, a black sinful exchange offered, her mother's happiness for her sister's unhappiness, she is a cold hearted, calculating, heartless witch, alright! My POV :)