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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

It all boils down to is whether a person ought to be called a criminal if he is not a seasoned one .


Well Varsha did not do any crime prior to the kidnapping . She can make the argument of 'good intentions' and 'not being basically a person who resorts gleefully to crime ' . She can make an argument saying she had good intentions ...the good intention being getting him away from Archana who in her opinion was a bad mother who neglected him shamefully .

Yet we see that Varsha has served her time .

Not everyone in PR has gone scot free for their crimes . Only the leads ...Archana and Purvi have .

Archana asked Madhuri to lie in court ...that her marraige with Dharmesh was not legal . It was a blatant crime , that perjury .

Purvi was asking Arjun to commit blatant perjury in court .

Purvi burnt office files to get back at Sachu .

Purvi used her influence with the judge to get decisions in Archana's favour when the ARMAN divorce case was on .


All these r crimes . I asked for justice when each of them was done .

Sachu had kept quiet to witnessing forged signatures . Although i had defended him then i had absolutely no problem him suffering the legal consequences ...i had however asked why Archana had suffered none for her crime .

I had no problems if Ovi was handed over to social securities if she persisted with her drinking when she was pregnant . I had myself suggested in a post this .


I would like to know if my child lived or died . Nobody has this right to keep it from me ...i would catch the collar of the person if it ever came to light .

Even swapping babies without the parents knowledge is terrible .

If the nature of the crime is compared ...the crimes like perjury , influencing judges etc were known to all who sat in or opposite in court .

The crimes r not not known and they affect lives . The choices and rights of certain individuals have been taken away .

Varsha has been punished for affecting a life . Soham too . Why not Onir ? Good intentions can be argued fabulously . Good intentions for whom ??

Onir swapped the babies not due to any good intentions ...but bcoz Purvi told him . He had personally no intention whatsoever of swapping the babies and lessening Ovi's grief . He did it coz he could not refuse Mishti anything . Mishti and his one sided love for her was his weakness .

Well , Mishti was wrong . And in listening to her and damning his professional ethics , Onir was wrong . In not saying a blunt NO he was wrong . Listening to a screwed up 19 yr old who had hitherto only lied lied and lied and made a royal mess of her life was the height of stupidity .

See Arjun's reaction upon finding the possibility that he had a baby who died . He said 'what the hell r u talking about ' . He was livid with Mittal .

The crimes started when Onir framed reports to hide Purvi's pregnancy .

It finally led to a point where he exchanged babies and did not tell the parents the truth of their dead offspring .

Varsha was not a seasoned criminal . The kidnapping was her only offence . Yet she has paid .

Soham has paid for his offences though Soham was more seasoned than Varsha .

Archana and Purvi have gone scot free .

Sachu himself did not commit the forgery but kept quiet about who did it . For that he got a resounding slap .

Onir has also commited a serious offense . It has gone way beyond the offence now ...he has been reduced to stamping out any evidence shedding light on his deed .

To hide one lie he went on a moral downfall . To hide Purvi's pregnancy it started with the mere framing up of a report which ultimately led to bigger things .

Instead he should have advised her to come clean , take the flak once and for all and join him in Kolkata as he was not going to judge her for her past .

That would have spoken volumes for the character .

Btw i don't find him either elderly or boring . I find him perfect . His 'davaiyaan lo' dialogue is the same as Arjun's 'Relax' dialogue and his age cannot be surmised ...he has an ageless quality about him . No , these r not the things i would fault him with . I fault him for agreeing to all of Purvi's nonsense .


Kool 🤗, how are you doing? Taking a weekend break from studies, so visited the forum 😛

Coming to the post, I actually don't fault Varsha for kidnapping Soham at all. At least the last time. She was essentially a drug addict, her addiction being Soham. She knew that, and she even tried refusing to take him when Archana insisted in the party. Instead, Archana wanted to prove a point and thrust him on varsha and she lost her will and ran away with him. Soham's kidnap was solely archana's fault and to a lesser extent, manav's. It was their responsibility to take care of him being his parents, even if they didn't know about Varsha's obsession with Soham. Where I do hold Varsha responsible is letting Soham be raised by and into a hooligan, a crime-lord. She was educated, worked for a large part of her adult life (right?) in what I assume to be senior management positions and instead of using her education to make a life for herself and for Soham, she became a keep and even worse completely destroyed Soham's life. Soham honestly was in some ways in better hands with her since he was always her first priority, and if she had educated him and given him a good life where he could make choices for a career and lifestyle that did not involve becoming a bahubali I would have thought running away with Soham was the best thing to have happened to him. But, we can all see what she did make of him, and that is criminal in my eyes.

No arguments on Archana and purvi, they've both done whatever they wanted with the arrogance of feeling they're always right, destroying many many lives in the process. Nobody else can even reach to their level simply because they don't even stop to think that they might be wrong unlike all the others who at the very least acknowledge to themselves that they're doing wrong but still go ahead with it for whatever reasons. This is what makes archana and purvi both very powerful and very dangerous, because they're so confident they're never wrong ultimately their confidence wins over their victims accusations giving them more power to do more damage. Manav who had rightly held archana responsible for losing soham absolved her of all crimes when they met years later. He probably did it much before that because how can archana ever be wrong about anything when she's so confident she's not?

Sachu and Savita both committed crimes too. I think they did it for the right reasons from their perspective, they felt archana only caused havoc in their lives and she should be cut off altogether so she cant do any further damage. While I agree with the sentiment, the fact is that they did do crimes. And they got a slap and silence for their crimes. If you look from a different POV, they nearly succeeded in making life-changing decisions for manav and the twins without their knowledge, permission or acceptance. But since they had good intentions in trying to protect manav and the twins from archana and since I agreed with those sentiments, even the slap and the silence for Sachu and Savita seemed too much punishment especially the latter.

Onir did essentially the same thing. He did a crime, no doubt about that. But he did it with genuine intentions whether to continue to be in his mishti's good graces or to help Ovi, he did it and has so far stood by this decision even with his crazy wife and seemingly all the forces of the world trying to undo the situation. He can't go back in time and do things the right way, but he can make sure nothing changes the status quo in the present and in the future. What punishment should he get for his crime? And will it be his punishment alone? If the truth comes out, it'll be Ovi and Pari who will suffer the most for no fault of their own in this mess. Onir may or may not go to jail, he may get a slap or a garland, he may be banished or welcomed with aarti; either way, he will not be suffering more than Ovi who will not only have lost her own baby but also the baby she's come to love as her own, Pari. And if Pari is purvi's baby, then she should have been still premature raising doubts about her paternity which will lead to further and complete destruction of Ovi's life. When the collateral damage is so much and to an innocent party at that, it is better Onir or purvi's crime of swapping the babies does not come to light at all. His punishment is staying away from the baby he clearly loves by taking away his wife to Kolkata, and this court-case giving him a wake-up call on how far he's gone off track. He is basically a good guy with a clear head, occasionally (now regularly) blinded by his love for the wrong person. But he has done a lot of good, and has the capacity to do still more, so for his own sake as well as for Ovi's and Pari's, I wish he's acquitted and goes back to Kolkata away from the circle of doom that is the Karanjkar-Deshmukh families. Pari is Ovi's daughter now, and so she should be for both their sakes.

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Posted: 12 years ago
sowmya🤗

so refreshing reading a different take

alas . I know that he has a lot of capacity to do good in the future but he has displaced his goal of doing social good with carrying out Mishti's wishes , right or wrong . I wonder if he will ever be his former self now .
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Soumya,

Brava!! You should take a bow, indeed several bows for this refreshingly offbeat and splendid analysis (and not just because you agree with me on Onir!). The blue parts that I specially liked are so many that the whole looks like it has been blue-washed, but it could not be helped!


I too was delighted (as you will see if you look up pages 44 &45 of Kool' March 1 PR thread) that Onir finally displayed some street smartness and a bit of survival instinct, instead of staring owlishly at a hectoring Mittal like a rabbit (Kools, your clockwork rabbit haunts me!) transfixed in the headlights of an oncoming car. As for his warning Mittal well in advance, I felt exactly the same, and about Onir's naivete in general. I had written last week on another thread:


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All that Onir has to do to spike Mittal's guns is to ask for the DNA matches to be done between him and the baby, and Arjun and the baby. That will show that the baby is Arjun's and so it will be assumed that it is Ovi's baby. Let us see if Onir is allowed by the CVs to take this escape route.

I have no great hopes that this will in fact happen, for they have not shown Onir as at all street smart or particularly quick at tackling sticky situations. He seems be too straightforward and too little
chaalu, in short, as Varsha put it. kachcha. See how he commits the crowning folly of actually telling Mittal that he is going to lodge a complaint against him with the police! What did he think Mittal would do, wait to be arrested? A cleverer man would have kept absolutely quiet and theyn lodged the complaint without any warning, and kept himself in the background. Of course he should have reported the Kundan affair, with the dead boy from the chawl, to the police at once, and he realises that now. But the way he handles a rattlesnake like Mittal, confronting him frontally and warning him in advance, is pure idiocy. "

He cannot lie even to save himself when Mittal challenges him about the baby swap. How can such a
Raja Harishchandra ki aulad survive a contest with a man like Mittal, who would give a rattlesnake an inferiority complex? In the court on Friday, Onir looked like a sheep ready to be slaughtered, and I felt like clobbering him good and proper. The problem is that has led a simple and blameless, indeed virtuous existence so far, till this girl landed up and turned his life upside down. So it is perhaps pointless to expect him to be suddenly astute and devious, which is why the DVD swapping was startling. And very pleasing. I was fighting a lone battle on this point, so I am glad to have you at my side now!
Regarding your "But at least once the decision was made, he has been able to stand by it", it is definitely praiseworthy. Contrast that with the way his Mishti behaves in a crunch situation. She shrieks and weeps, and drives him up the wall with her panic-sticken wails of Sab kuch khatam ho gaya! Ab ham kya karenge Onir? What a wife to have at his side when he faces such professional and personal disaster. I admired Onir all the more for calming her down patiently. In his place I would have poured a jug of very cold water over her (bewigged) head. Later, at the very end of the episode, he is equally calm: he neither discounts the probability that Mittal will have another copy and will produce it at the next hearing, nor does he panic at the prospect, or let Purvi panic.
As for the rest, I could not agree with you more, that sleeping dogs should be allowed to lie (there is something to PR that traps one into the worst of cliches!) , as revealing the truth will only result in an emotional demolition derby. I did not think that Ovi's reaction after her nightmare was excessive; to my mind, given the half formed doubts in her mind created by Mittal's charge against Onir, this frantic possessiveness would be the most natural thing in a young mother. Think of the consequences if she learns the truth! Only Onir gets that right.

Finally, I simply loved the very last line about Pari having younger siblings to boss over. Spot on, my dear!!

Shyamala Aunty

Shyamala Aunty,

Thanks!😃 I'm not a fan of the guy, I like characters like people to be multi-dimensional. He's a little too one-dimensional for me, but there's no denying he's essentially a good guy with a clear head (mostly but it's rapidly becoming less frequently) on his shoulders. And unlike arjun who didn't or couldn't even say a word to purvi for his own rights, Onir has the sense to be firm with her when he needs to be. Alas! that time was when she asked him the first time about doing the baby-swtich and he listened to her against his better judgement trusting hers instead. I am glad however, that he's so far able to manage his hysterical wife and not cause any further damage.

And what you say is true, having somebody like purvi on his side who's constantly trying to make a further mess of everything when he's being accused of a crime must be tiring. I think part of the reason he didn't want her to come to the court was coz he was worried she would break down in front of everyone making things complicated. He should send her off to Kolkata so she gets a break and he can focus his energies on getting his name cleared before joining her. There is nothing but destruction awaiting him if he remains in Mumbai or anywhere close to the Karanjkar-Deshmukh families as long as he's attached to Purvi. It's time he took stock of his life and his actions so far, realize how far he's gone off-track in his blind love and set limits for himself and purvi so something like this doesn't happen again. He should never have left everything in kolkata and followed purvi to mumbai, that was the beginning of the downfall for him.


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

sowmya🤗


so refreshing reading a different take

alas . I know that he has a lot of capacity to do good in the future but he has displaced his goal of doing social good with carrying out Mishti's wishes , right or wrong . I wonder if he will ever be his former self now .


Kool 🤗Thanks for seeing where I'm coming from. I hope he can redeem himself, he can atleast think somewhat clearly most times unlike arjun who's constantly in a fog. And I hope he becomes better than his former self, that Onir fell into the trap of mishti's love and did all kinds of things for her. This new onir who has committed mistakes and cleaned up after them, should know the depths of immorality and ethics he can go to if he blindly follows purvi's million requests. He should set new limits for himself and for purvi, essentially banishing her from being involved in any way in his professional life and banishing himself from being too closely involved in her family's affairs that only lead to his downfall.
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Dear Kalapi, I did not say Ovi is incapable of human emotions, when did I say that? Being selfish, avaricious, are all human failings as well.

Just because the twins were raised by their dad doesn't make Ovi especially aware of her father's needs, there was no indication in the story line to denote any such sensitivity in her. Of course, if you want to imbue her character with such kind feelings because of your own warm personal relationship with your dad, I accept that as your perception.

Ovi is no parent and as such had no right to make decisions for Arjun. As for the white lie, I undertand, it depends on who the lier is, Ovi can be forgiven even if the intention behind the lie was her selfish need to khabza Arjun.

Yes, we will never agree about Ovi, so let us not beat a dead horse, a person convinced against his/her will is of the same opinion still.

And, thank you for the wishes :)
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Posted: 12 years ago
OK guys I see that we are going overboard... What I mean is that Onir will switch the Dna reports and turn it into Ovi and Arjun because Purvi will tell him to
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Posted: 12 years ago
I dont watch PR anymore but I just saw one scene where Purvi was worry if Ovi will know the truth she wont accept Pari any more😲 and then both Onir and Purvi or I dont remember who said that they will explain everything to Ovi and wo khushi khushi Pari ko accept karle gi,
What the Hell Purvi is treating Pari as Ovi's toy,
I dont care Onir go to jail or not he should take Purvi to Mental hospital first,
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AsYa, not to worry, we are friends used to these kind of back and forth discussions.
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Dear AsYa,

Of course you did, and I thought I had answered that, clearly and irrefutably, in my post on page 5 where I said:
Posted: 16 March 2013 at 4:55am | IP Logged
My dear,

The accused in a case does not get any chance to go near the lab where the test will be done, so I am afraid you will have to abandon this very promising option.

What is likely to happen is that the DNA tests ordered will be of Arjun-Pari and Onir-Pari, and as the first will be positive, it will be taken for granted that she is Arjun's and Ovi's child. Even Mittal, who would have no idea of Pari being Arjun's kid, would be flummoxed. Later, being a shrewd rattlesnake, he will figure it out, but by then it will be too late as the court would have dismissed the case.

This said, the shots of Onir switching the babies,taken inside Ovi's room, are simply a non starter. No hospital will have CCTV cameras inside the patients' rooms. People would never accept it, citing privacy concerns.But that can hardly bother the CVs.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

That is that for any rigging of the DNA test, which is any case is going to help Onir and Purvi.

As for the rest, as happens occasionally in this forum, your thread has been hijacked by a bunch of us and has been converted into a battle zone, that is all. As Janhvi wrote above, we are all used to this, and I personally have not had so much fun in weeks, so thanks a lot😉!

Shyamala B.Cowsik


Originally posted by: AsYa_fan

OK guys I see that we are going overboard... What I mean is that Onir will switch the Dna reports and turn it into Ovi and Arjun because Purvi will tell him to

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