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Originally posted by: sashashyam
Ash,
Any thrashings Arjun is to get will be from one of the three of us - Archana , Jyothi or me. We will never trust him to the tender mercies of anyone else, least of all Janhvi, who is just waiting for the teeniest weeniest little crack in the wall of universal disapproval around Purvi right now, to try and put her ladli back on the special pedestal the 90% have built expressly for her.😉
Shyamala
Originally posted by: Dabulls23
Shyamala dear Good topic and i agree on your starting post...Have been reading some of the other posts but not all as time cosuming and eye issues...Age is creeping up yaar.. Kalapi, kools fab posts.. Totally agree with you on underlined...NEway my thoughts as I have observed PR for 3 yrs almost..
I just wrote this is Bee's topic and thought I paste it here...Its about Purvi and how she is constructed by one and only mommy dearest Archana, inherited from Queen be Sanskar ki devi Sulo..Not sure anyone has had a chance to read this...Bee Archana adopting or picking Purvi up from the accident scene was totally replacement for her own kids...She has put so much importance on how Purvi has been able to keep her going even after Archana losing her marriage and kids...We all know the type of pressure, expectations being imposed on a child indirectly or directly???? 😭 For freaking 18 yrs...My baba my baba...But never abt siblings (Bio kids) or else Purvi would have know it was not kosher to hook up with sister's ex fiance...😳
Archana is Narcisstic mother...I can do no wrong, I am right, I know it all, I sacrificed, I am Sanskari etc crap has been fed to her tiny little brain by Sulo the Queen B of sanskars...And same has been inherited by Purvi...😳Like a master mind and cold blooded sadistic person Purvi planned the whole thing...She arranged it all, decked up for wedding, called Arjun, Called Ovi, Arranged for Pundit to do wedding ritual, and than stood there & watched them get married...You tell me is that not someone sadistic & having a master mind? Archana did same with Shravni...and People blamed and hated Shravni...How and Why? 😕Archana calls this tyaag-balidaan? How?😡Ovi had put a deal in front of her...Ovi was supposidly committing suicide again...whether she would have or not is another topic but Ovi did not FUP with purvi abt her deal on the day of the wedding...She even accepted manav's lie abt going to the wedding to help DK...So had Ovi not heard from Purvi she was not going to go crash the wedding asking Purvi to give her Arjun back...I would not blame Ovi here..Yeah she did make a deal...Purvi did not have to accept or go thru it...Purvi made a deal Arjun did not have to accept & go thru it.But if Ovi gets a call from Purvi w/o Ovi's insistance than how is it her fault for marrying Arjun...Purvi gave Arjun away like yesterday';s trash...Purvi's trash was Ovi's treasure...Arjun did not have to accept...he should have packed his bags and taken the flight back to canada...ovi would not have even known abt what Purvi asked Arjun to do...Marriage would have been cancelled...End of the story..Archana defo gets a blame for the crap she was telling Purvi abt tyaag and balidaan...These 3 women in K home has loose screws...They should not be married to any men...Men lose their manhood after marrying these type of women...They simply become ULLUs and Lallus..😳
Shyamala dear, you know the problem right now I have with Prince Arjun, it is his 'never ever" about giving Ovi the status of a wife. The problem with this is partly 2 fold. Although Ovi did put forward a deal to Purvi to get Arjun, now with his sudden character strength and enlightenment, he decides not to give wife status to Ovi. This will make Ovi that absolute keema between this 2 'ex-lovers as both tries to jump higher and higher just to prove that they were right? Even though Ovi made the deal (and I happen to be one of the people who don't really think a third person can't break a relationship if the foundation is strong, so Ovi's guilt is rather extremely small in my POV, and can't be compared to either Arjun or Purvi), she never expected this turn of events.
Arjun did agree to the marriage, there wasn't a gun to his head. So, after making a conscious choice he decides to punish Ovi just because she happen to love him and ready to do anything to get him. Now that he doesn't start concentrating on his relation with Ovi, what next??? This only lead him on towards Purvi, like a fly that is irresistibly drawn towards a flame'isn't that disastrous??? Unless, of course, Dk decides to take Arjun/Ovi back to Canada and the rest, including Purvis stays back in India and interactions are minimized. Situation of this sort could have happened anyway the moment both sisters felt for the same man, and Archu (Manav) decides to support either.
Now, regarding Ovi suicidal attempt being fake I personally don't think so (although, the attempted second suicide as well as the first was a very shoddy job by the Cvs indeed). She just to me, appears to be a girl who loved her Arjun, that is all. The wedding night conversation was a glimpse of the old, a tat bit self-assured arrogant Ovi who was successful at her endeavor... 'I happen to have seen people who are not bad but just has a tad bit of arrogance, esp. students from some premier institutions'well, I think you get it'anyway, Cvs are pretty faithful towards her character so far, and I, for one didn't think that the marriage was a drama or that she will not accept Archana as aai ' I was fairly sure she would'...
Originally posted by: sashashyam
Ash,
Any thrashings Arjun is to get will be from one of the three of us - Archana , Jyothi or me. We will never trust him to the tender mercies of anyone else, least of all Janhvi, who is just waiting for the teeniest weeniest little crack in the wall of universal disapproval around Purvi right now, to try and put her ladli back on the special pedestal the 90% have built expressly for her.😉
Shyamala
If I speak with human eloquence and angelic ecstasy but do not have love, I'm nothing but the creaking of a rusty gate.
If I speak God's Word with power, revealing all his mysteries and making everything plain as day, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing
If I give everything I own to the poor and even go to the stake to be burned as a martyr, but I don't have love, I gain nothing. So, no matter what I say, what I believe, and what I do, I'm bankrupt without love.
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.Love never gives up.Doesn't have a swelled head, Always looks for the best.
Mandy
Originally posted by: sashashyam
Dear Mandy,
Thanks ever so much, my dear, but let us forget about Arjun and Purvi and PR for a moment and concentrate on your very apt quotation from the Bible. Is it from the Epistle to the Corinthians? I am very weak in the matter of biblical quotations, and you are so very good at it that I am constantly learning something new from you.
Shyamala
Shyamala dear, you know the problem right now I have with Prince Arjun, it is his 'never ever" about giving Ovi the status of a wife. The problem with this is partly 2 fold. Although Ovi did put forward a deal to Purvi to get Arjun, now with his sudden character strength and enlightenment, he decides not to give wife status to Ovi. This will make Ovi that absolute keema between this 2 'ex-lovers as both tries to jump higher and higher just to prove that they were right? Even though Ovi made the deal (and I happen to be one of the people who don't really think a third person can't break a relationship if the foundation is strong, so Ovi's guilt is rather extremely small in my POV, and can't be compared to either Arjun or Purvi), she never expected this turn of events.
Arjun did agree to the marriage, there wasn't a gun to his head. So, after making a conscious choice he decides to punish Ovi just because she happen to love him and ready to do anything to get him. Now that he doesn't start concentrating on his relation with Ovi, what next??? This only lead him on towards Purvi, like a fly that is irresistibly drawn towards a flame'isn't that disastrous??? Unless, of course, Dk decides to take Arjun/Ovi back to Canada and the rest, including Purvis stays back in India and interactions are minimized. Situation of this sort could have happened anyway the moment both sisters felt for the same man, and Archu (Manav) decides to support either.
Now, regarding Ovi suicidal attempt being fake I personally don't think so (although, the attempted second suicide as well as the first was a very shoddy job by the Cvs indeed). She just to me, appears to be a girl who loved her Arjun, that is all. The wedding night conversation was a glimpse of the old, a tat bit self-assured arrogant Ovi who was successful at her endeavor... 'I happen to have seen people who are not bad but just has a tad bit of arrogance, esp. students from some premier institutions'well, I think you get it'anyway, Cvs are pretty faithful towards her character so far, and I, for one didn't think that the marriage was a drama or that she will not accept Archana as aai ' I was fairly sure she would'...
Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
See this is how I look at it .
Faultwise :1 ] Purvi : She is the biggest offender of all bcoz she dumped Arjun ruthlessly at the altar and killed the so called true love story by trading him for her mother . The way she did it is more awful than the deed itself . She mulled over it , decided to not give him time to think , decked herself up in the parlour , told him her decision and used the correct terminology to make him concede ...' test of love' and then stood there to see him married off ...that her part of the deal was kept ...so anxious was she that he did not have second thoughts at the last minute . Then , ensuring the deal went through she insisted it was ' not her fault' to her mother in the weepfest where they all applauded each other for their so called sacrifices and then proceeded anxiously to ascertain that the deal was still on by phoning Ovi late in the night although the phone call could easily have been done in the morning .2 ] Arjun : He is second in this fault line ...his biggest fault was loving a girl who was simply not worth it . He suffered a horrific insult ... getting dumped at the altar . But he had an option ...going back to Canada and never getting involved with this girl again as obviously she flip flopped at the last minute . But so much was the hold of the girl over him that he marrried another girl at her bidding . He did not love this girl at all and quite frankly he needed a break from love affairs and sometime alone . Yet being somehow near this girl who betrayed him was his decision .3] Ovi :: Her one and only fault was loving a man more than herself , her family , her mother , her self respect , her life ...everything . No guy deserves this much importance but Ovi forgot that and will pay for all her life .Ovi kept her end of the bargain or deal and insisted that Archana be taken back in the family .The deal was done by both women but Arjun will punish Ovi to viewer satisfaction and chase Purvi all his life as she has got badly in his system while he is last on her priority list .This is how i see it Varsha .
Originally posted by: jdronamraju
Sorry, but I have no sympathy for Ovi. She wanted her Ken doll and she got it by crook. She never bothered about Arjun's interest in her in canada, during the engagement fiasco and will not even now. Atleast during the first two phases, despite no signs from him she asssumed that he loves her. But after arjun told her and family clearly that he does NOT love her, she has done this. Not once but several times she has seen the love between them. Still, she purused him in her own crazy way and played the ultimate blackmail game. Yes, arjun and purvi were fools to fall for it, especially Purvi, but she was the ultimate catalyst for shattering their lives. She knew where to strike and when.
Just because she did not start the last step does not in any way exhonerate her and lessen her blame. She will and have to face the consequences now, if life is fair !! But, this is PR, where anything is game !! So, let us see what awaits us ...
Dear kool,
I am with you 100%.
Janhvi, Ovi is what Ovi has always been, and she does not even have the smarts to put on a suitably chastened look at the reception for Arjun's benefit. She is a besotted, greedy, grasping idiot, who thinks she can transmute fool's gold into the real thing.
But what of Purvi? It is the Deewaar quotation with which I opened this thread, all over again.
She was Arjun's life and his dream. HOW could she not just do this, but as I have stated time and again above, and as Kool has reiterated, HOW could she do this with such unfeeling ruthlessness and brutality?
She abandoned and crushed Arjun without a second thought, and even now, she does not feel a jot of pain for HIS suffering. That much was clear from the Friday scene between them. Nor does her aai, blathering on and on and on about her mahaan tyaag not just at home but at the reception at well, to everyone she can find. She never gives a thought to the idiotic sacrificial lamb of whom her mahaan beti has made halaal so thoroughly.
Janhvi, let me quote your "Ovi does not love Arjun'. Loving would be wanting to see him happy at all costs, much like a parent that would sacrifice all to see his/her child happy. There is no remorse for what she has done, no empathy for his suffering, she is excited and happy she got what she wanted. That is selfish to the core and selfishness is the very antithesis of love" back at you.
Just replace Ovi by Purvi, and "excited and happy" by " satisfied if unhappy", and what do you have? A perfect fit for Purvi today, totally convinced that she has done no wrong. Of course not, for Arjun is expendable and does not count.
No, Arjun is not equally at fault for fulfillling Purvi's part of the deal. That followed, as the night follows the day, from what he is - a man who has lost all sense of self, and all self-respect, for the love of this girl. Rarely does one see a man falling in love so thoroughly.
He is in fact more at fault, but not for that. What he is at fault for is falling in love with her in the first place, and here too, Kool, I have been and am with you. Perhaps I am wrong in trying to save him from you, Janhvi, for I am not sure he has got over this folly or ever will.
Don't worry, this is a serial where the first, and in fact the only virtue is sacrificing others, either per se or as collateral damage (as when Archana dumps Teju, Ovi, Manav and Purvi for Sachin, a 4:1 ratio, better than the US troops in Afghanistan), and then making out, very successfully, that you were the victim and deserved a halo.
Manav is now apparently going to fall at Archana's beautifully pedicured feet, painted toe nails and all, and beg pardon for ever having blamed her for anything since Anno Domini 1 - including her nearly sending him in for a long jail term in the chawl demolition case, and her role in the death (so they all think) of Soham. He has already started on the second, which he has now downgraded, as Jyothi once pointed out, to a haadsa (accident). He will have arrived at the first as well come Monday.
So, as a good damaad, Arjun will also presently unclench his jaw and, with tears in his eyes, fall at Purvi's feet (admittedly not as pretty as Archana's, as the PR team cannot afford pedicures for her, not to speak of any decent outfits, and she is already back to her regulation maroon and brown set, while her aai swans around in see thru white organdy and diamonds).
He will duly beg pardon for even having dared to criticise her for her tyaag or for having complained that she broke all her vaade.After all, they were made mostly by shaking her head, and are thus deniable at will- he just misunderstood which way she was shaking it! Archana, Jyothi, Laurie, I know it is frightful but I begin to feel it in my bones, alas!
Then Purvi will be duly hoisted on to the pedestal built for her by the PR team, where her aai is already enthroned, and the duo will bless us all.
Kool, you are spot on with your "she has got badly in his system while he is last on her priority list", which is pretty much what I have been repeating for the nth time to my unfortunate readers. But what are we doing here analysing this junk? I don't know about you, but I have had enough for the present, and am off to salvage what is left of my Sunday.
Janhvi, relax. You do not even have to chase Arjun and beat him up. He will do it himself very soon, like the albino monk in the Da Vinci Code. Manav will show him the way, and he will follow, the brief flare up of hope in us unfortunate PAPers yesterday, about the return of AK, notwithstanding. This is PR, after all, and strong men are as out of place here as a T-Rex would be, so saare lakshaan aise hi nazar aa rahe hain (all the signs point that way).
DK will join in as the chorus, singing hosannas to the Teen Deviyan (apologies to the late Dev Anand). He is already doing so for Sulochana and Archana, all he has to do is to add Purvi to the pantheon. Come to think of it, it is entirely appropriate. Hamari to hamesha trimurti hi hoti hai (we always have a trinity).
Bye folks, and may we all survive the next week in reasonably good shape. And may I gain the strength, not just to last thru it, but to do what Arjun should have done 3 episodes back. Walk off without a backward glance.
Shyamala
Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
See this is how I look at it .
Faultwise :1 ] Purvi : She is the biggest offender of all bcoz she dumped Arjun ruthlessly at the altar and killed the so called true love story by trading him for her mother . The way she did it is more awful than the deed itself . She mulled over it , decided to not give him time to think , decked herself up in the parlour , told him her decision and used the correct terminology to make him concede ...' test of love' and then stood there to see him married off ...that her part of the deal was kept ...so anxious was she that he did not have second thoughts at the last minute . Then , ensuring the deal went through she insisted it was ' not her fault' to her mother in the weepfest where they all applauded each other for their so called sacrifices and then proceeded anxiously to ascertain that the deal was still on by phoning Ovi late in the night although the phone call could easily have been done in the morning .2 ] Arjun : He is second in this fault line ...his biggest fault was loving a girl who was simply not worth it . He suffered a horrific insult ... getting dumped at the altar . But he had an option ...going back to Canada and never getting involved with this girl again as obviously she flip flopped at the last minute . But so much was the hold of the girl over him that he marrried another girl at her bidding . He did not love this girl at all and quite frankly he needed a break from love affairs and sometime alone . Yet being somehow near this girl who betrayed him was his decision .3] Ovi :: Her one and only fault was loving a man more than herself , her family , her mother , her self respect , her life ...everything . No guy deserves this much importance but Ovi forgot that and will pay for all her life .Ovi kept her end of the bargain or deal and insisted that Archana be taken back in the family .The deal was done by both women but Arjun will punish Ovi to viewer satisfaction and chase Purvi all his life as she has got badly in his system while he is last on her priority list .This is how i see it Varsha .
Originally posted by: soapwatcher1
Kool, agree with everything you have written except the part about Ovi loving Arjun above herself. Would be willing to even concede that she might "love" him above all else except herself. The girl did not give one thought to his misery at the reception, not one, not a glance of sympathy, not an iota of remorse, no toning down of her excitement at having gotten what she has been after.As I wrote on another thread, "Ovi does not love Arjun, she wants him, she is obsessed with him. Loving would be wanting to see him happy at all costs, much like a parent that would sacrifice all to see his/her child happy. There is no remorse for what she has done, no empathy for his suffering, she is excited and happy she got what she wanted. That is selfish to the core and selfishness is the very antithesis of love."I looked keenly for some signs to see if I had misjudged Ovi; if she had given Arjun one glance of sympathy, looked a little downcast, I would perhaps have said poor girl, she is crazy about him and now has to pay the price. Not so after watching that last scene, maybe the CVs will change her character around again. She was a nice, sweet, insipid girl in Canada, maybe they will transform her back into a loving, remorseful wife who will do everything in her power to win Arjun even offering up her marriage to give him back his own happiness. Maybe that will be an eye-opener for him that this girl now truly loves him unlike the other one that chose her mother over him and dumped him at the altar and had the steel in her heart to watch him wed another. That last to me was the unkindest cut of all.But like you said, the best option for Arjun would have been to disappear from the scene and have left both girls bereft of a toy to barter. He was an idiot and for that, Shyamala or not, he will get a batting (for Jyothi's sake, a very mild one) from me if I catch him anywhere near.And you are right, while Ovi is at fault for bringing the deal, Purvi is more at fault for accepting it and Arjun equally so as Purvi for fulfilling it. In my mind, Ovi is guilty but not as much as the two in the relationship who had so much to lose and lost it anyway by treating marriage and trust as a joke.
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