Marriage valid or not?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I have been reading people's views on whether the marriage of Arjun and Ovi (as indicated by the promo) would be valid if Arjun was duped. I am astounded to hear that people think such a sham would be a proper marriage in this day and age.

Let me say a marriage is only legally, ethically, morally, religiously and socially acceptable when two CONSENTING adults marry each other!

If Arjun has been tricked into marriage...it is not a marriage, though Ekta maya has a difficult time accepting this!

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Valid or not..if ekta says it's valid..then it's valid.
It's her decision..and we must accept..whether we agree or disagree.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sipokobusak

Valid or not..if ekta says it's valid..then it's valid.
It's her decision..and we must accept..whether we agree or disagree.


We don't need to accept anything! As viewers,we can vote with our feet!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think personally it depends...consent needed for a Hindu marriage or not??
Ask a layman who is very conservative: Consent or not, since both parties went through the act of marriage especially the saat pheras, it is valid...
Well, one more thing, am an Indian Hindu, who went through a typical Hindu marriage...ask my MIL who is very conservative...a marriage where the adult went through in front of the fire with the ritual, is binding...and needs a divorce to null it...
Mangalsutra and sindoor are more a symbol of a married women...In the East part of India, bride will not wear a managalsutra as it has black beads...my mom will not gift one...
Edited by Kalapi - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hindu Marriage Act


The Hindu Marriage Act was established by the Indian Parliament in 1955 as part of the Hindu Code Bills. Three other important acts were also created during this time and they include the Hindu Succession Act (1956), the Hindu Minority and Guardianship Act (1956), and the Hindu Adoptions and Maintenance Act (1956). All of these acts were put forth under the leadership of Jawaharlal Nehru, and were meant to modernize the then current Hindu legal tradition.


Purpose

As part of the Hindu Code Bill, the Hindu Marriage Act was enacted by parliament in 1955. It is an act to amend and codify the marriage law among Hindus. Its purpose was to regulate personal life among Hindus, especially their institution of marriage, its validity, conditions for in-validity, and applicability.

Applicability

The bill was viewed as conservative because it applied to any person who is Hindu by religion in any of its forms, but it was also modern in the sense that it recognizes the modern offshoots of the Hindu religion (Jains, Buddhists, or Sikhs) as specified in Article 44 of the Indian Constitution.[1] This act also applies to any person who is a permanent resident in the jurisdiction where this act applies who is not Muslim, Jew, Christian, or Parsi by religion. However, with the passage of Anand Karj marriage act, Sikhs now also have their own personal laws related to marriage.[2]

Hindu view of marriage

According to the tenets of Hinduism, marriage is a sacred relationship, a sacrament, and a divine covenant meant for procreation and continuation of family lineage.[3] It is a vow between two people to stay together and uphold traditional family values in accordance with Dharma. In the traditional Hindu system of marriage, there is no role for the state as marriage remained a private affair within the social realm.[4] Within this traditional framework reference, marriage is undoubtedly the most important transitional point in a Hindu's life and the most important of all the Hindu samskaras, or life-cycle rituals.[4]

Conditions

The conditions[5] of marriage are specified in Section 5 of the Hindu Marriage Act. The act expressively prohibits polygamy by stipulating that a Hindu marriage can be solemnized between two Hindus if neither party has a living spouse at the time of marriage;[3] The conditions also stipulate that at the time of the marriage, neither party is incapable of giving valid consent or suffering from a mental illness that inhibits their fitness for marriage or procreation of children or suffering from recurrent episodes of insanity or epilepsy. In the original Act, the age of valid marriage was fixed at 18 for the boys and 15 for the girls, however this age requirement was later raised to 21 and 18 respectively for the boys and the girls though the Child marriage restraint (amendment) Act 1978. Finally, the act specifically prevents marriages between prohibited degrees of relationships.[1]

Guardianship

Section 6 of the Hindu Marriage Act specifies the guardianship for marriage. Wherever the consent of a guardian in marriage is necessary for a bride under this Act, the persons entitled to give such consent are the following: the father; the mother; the paternal grandfather; the paternal grandmother; the brother by full blood; the brother by half blood; etc.[6] The Guardianship For Marriage was repealed in 1978 after the Child Marriage Restraint Amendment was passed. This was an amendment that increased the minimum age requirement for marriage in order to prevent child marriages.[7]

Ceremonies

Section 7 of the Hindu Marriage Act recognizes the ceremonies and customs of marriage. Hindu marriage may be solemnized in accordance with the customary rites and ceremonies of either party. Such rites and rituals include the Saptapadi—the taking of seven steps by the bridegroom and the bride jointly before the sacred fire. The marriage becomes complete and binding when the seventh step is taken. [8]

Registration

As stated in Section 8. the state government may make rules for the registration of Hindu marriages that the parties to any of such marriages may have particulars relating to their marriages entered in such a manner and subject to such conditions as may be prescribed in the Hindu Marriage Register. This registration is for the purpose of facilitating the proof of Hindu marriages. All rules made in this section may be laid before the state legislature. The Hindu Marriage Register should be open for inspection at all reasonable times and should be admissible as evidence of the statements contained therein.

Nullity of Marriage and Divorce

Any marriage can be voidable and may be annulled on the following grounds: the marriage has not been consummated due to impotency, contravention of the valid consent mental illness condition specified in Section 5, or that the respondent at the time of the marriage was pregnant by someone other than the petitioner. Divorce can be sought by husband or wife on certain grounds, including: adultery, cruelty, continuous period of desertion for two or more years, conversion to a religion other than Hindu, mental abnormality, venereal disease, and leprosy. A wife can also present a petition for the dissolution of marriage on the ground of if the husband marries again after the commencement of his first marriage or if the husband has been guilty of rape, sodomy, or bestiality. Despite the fact that marriage is held to be divine, the act does permit one spouse to separate if he/she is unhappy, if he/she can prove or identify the circumstances that have made the union untenable.[9] Newly married couples cannot file a petition for divorce within one year of marriage.

Future

As of late, there has been a realization that Hindu marriage, as a central element of society, cannot be subjected to legislative intervention; this realization has led to legislative inaction and a refusal by the state to get involved in the regulation of Hindu marriage.[4] Derrett predicted in his later writings that despite some evidence of modernization, the dominant view in Hindu society for the foreseeable future would remain that marriage is a form of social obligation.[4] There have been attempts to amend the Hindu Marriage Act, especially as of recently. There was a bill proposed to amend the existing laws, making divorce easier in the case of irretrievable breakdown of marriage. The proposed bill made provisions under which adopted children will have rights on the same level as biological offspring in case the parents do divorce, and it would also give women a share in her husband's property. However, there is strong opposition to this bill due to the objection that it will create hardships for women, and that the bill strongly supports one party while both parties should be treated equal in divorce.[10]>


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Marriage_Act

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Bee5…thanks…yes I agree with your post….but my question has been, what is consent in a Hindu marriage??? Unlike in Islamic and Christian marriages where both parties are asked for consent publicly..

I agree with Kool in another thread that couple openly carrying out the marriage act is a form of consent….

Then, I also posted in another thread that there is marriage practiced by some called Pakaruah marriage or Jabaria Shaadi, that is considered binding according to Indian Court, where the groom is kidnapped and married off…see the discrepancies…

Since, Arjun is neither insane and is able, and if he goes on with the saat pheras, than in that token, he consents….so, his marriage is legal…of course, at the end, ultimately, Cvs are the God…ufff…the mess PR is….

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Kalapi

Bee5'thanks'yes I agree with your post'.but my question has been, what is consent in a Hindu marriage??? Unlike in Islamic and Christian marriages where both parties are asked for consent publicly..

I agree with Kool in another thread that couple openly carrying out the marriage act is a form of consent'.

Then, I also posted in another thread that there is marriage practiced by some called Pakaruah marriage or Jabaria Shaadi, that is considered binding according to Indian Court, where the groom is kidnapped and married off'see the discrepancies'

Since, Arjun is neither insane and is able, and if he goes on with the saat pheras, than in that token, he consents'.so, his marriage is legal'of course, at the end, ultimately, Cvs are the God'ufff'the mess PR is'.



Kalapi,

This is what I think -

1. Bride is a female of 18 and above.
2. Groom is a male of 21 and above.
3. Both are legally allowed to marry, meaning not involved in any other marriage without a divorce
4. Rituals required for the marriage done?
5. Rituals carried out by both parties in the sane mind?
6. Witnesses present during the marriage?

During a socially conducted marriage, Witnesses are the invitees present.
Rituals - Even in Hindu, the rituals differ from region-to-region and also with caste, creed or sect. There are some minimum required rituals listed for each sub-division within Hindu and those minimum ones need to be carried on.

When the above requirements are met, Consent does not come into the picture at all.

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer and the above are just my opinion.

Edited by bee5 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Kalapi,
I don't know about the Pakaruah marriage or Jabaria Shaadi.
Both you and Kools are right.

And there is no need for us to worry about validity of this marriage, bcos, it depends entirely on the CVs. Don't we have enough proof of how they depict Medical issue or twist Indian laws. Take for e.g: Arjun's bail from the police lockup or how they are showing the proceedings of purvi kidnap case.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Kalapi and Bee, I think there is no question about the marriage being valid.
If Arjun knew he was marrying Ovi and there was no deceit involved, then he is securely tied to be delivered to Ovi Ma'am, gift wrapping with bows and all from one sister to another with love!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Mannisha,

But how do you conclude that he was duped? He is looking at the girl when the cloth is lowered. He is looking at her when they exchange the jayamalas. She does not have any ghunghat veiling her face.So he can clearly see WHO she is before he proceeds with the other rites.

After all this, knowing full well who she is, he goes thru the saptapadi, which is really the core rite, apart from the mangalsutra, and applies the sindoor in her hair. So where is the duping?

All this undoubtedly very interesting discussion on this thread - about the provisions of the Hindu Marriage Act and the need for explicit consent, or not, for a valid Hindu marriage - is informative but not relevant at all here. Arjun knew full well what he was doing, so there is no duping or fraud perpetrated on him.

If there had been a fraud, he could have got a divorce very easily, even though the marriage itself would have been legal under the Hindu Marriage Act. But there is no fraud.

WHY he did it is something else. Please see my separate post on this new promo.

You know, if one considers the possibility, albeit a faint one, that the bride is still Purvi, there are 2 points that are difficult to explain.

1) Why is Arjun looking so morose and withdrawn? The only explanation - other than the obvious one that he has been shanghaied by Purvi into this marriage with Ovi - is that there has been a very major falling out between Arjun and Purvi which has soured his whole attitude to the marriage with her. I cannot think of any cause for such a devastating quarrel.

2) If the bride is Purvi, why does Manav look so shocked?

It thus seems, on the balance, that the bride IS Ovi, and it is clear that Arjun knew of this beforehand.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: mannisha

I have been reading people's views on whether the marriage of Arjun and Ovi (as indicated by the promo) would be valid if Arjun was duped. I am astounded to hear that people think such a sham would be a proper marriage in this day and age.


Let me say a marriage is only legally, ethically, morally, religiously and socially acceptable when two CONSENTING adults marry each other!

If Arjun has been tricked into marriage...it is not a marriage, though Ekta maya has a difficult time accepting this!

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