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Posted: 13 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: naava


lax i totally agree with the fact that Purvi should not have exposed Punni's affair. However, I feel it was wrong not mean. She did it for what she thought were good reasons for Punni and not for personal gain, nevertheless, it was completely wrong in my opinion. It wasn't her business.

And it's true that Manju did try to change. However, to compare Punni's affair with this man and Purvi's love for Arjun are like comparing apples and cell phones...nothing to compare. By her own admission, Punni was having sexual relations for career advancement. Purvi fell in love with a man whom she had NO idea had agreed to marry someone else...Her love for him was totally innocent.

Punni was NOT telling the truth because she manipulated to look like it was the same kind of relationship she herself had had.. Maybe she even thought that is what is was...but that wasn't the truth, so why should Purvi lie and say it was? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Archana has yet to learn the truth about Arjun and Purvi's relationship...she doesn't know at this point so she can't very well speak about it. She doesn't think Purvi is better than Punni, other than the fact that all mothers think their own children are "the best". In fact that is one of the big differences. When Punni was exposed, her own parent vilified her and Vinod physically abused her. They never once tried to find out why this happened. It was really about how it embarrassed the parents and made them look, not how sad it was for Punni. How would Punni ever feel loved by them. Archana was angry at Purvi for not telling her about her love for Arjun but Purvi still knew she was loved. As for Punni, Archana has always loved Punni.

Punni's problems stem from the fact that she watched her mother so filled with hate and anger all the time...she was physically pushed & punished on more than one occasion for loving her own aunt Archana and grandmother Sulo ..Archana and Punni had a wonderful bonding, but Manju couldn't bear it. She was so jealous of Archana and wanted her children to hate the ones she hated. There are those that say that Sulo never treated Manju fairly, so she had a right to be jealous, but perhaps it's because Manju was so spiteful and hateful that it would be difficult. But even if someone has a right to be jealous, what right does a mother have to teach her child to be hateful? I'ts really very wrong.

I've always felt sorry for Punni, but it's her own parents fault not Archana and Purvi's.


Naava, you make some vey valid points. But I somewhat understand Manju's feelings towards the Ks. Imagine as a daughter in law living with your inlaws and sister in laws. And the MIL and Sils constantly putting you down about your lack of sanskars. Varsha was always mocking Manju. I agree Archana was always kind to Manju but Sulo and Varsha overstepped their bounds. The fact is that Vinod and Manju were the ones earning money and running the household with their money. None of the 3 sisters were married, and they were all living off their brother's & sis in laws earnings. Varsha got a job later on, but not sure that she contributed financially to the household. Manju wanted to provide well for her kids but always felt that their hard earned money was going for Vinod's sisters wedding, jewelry, etc. It's a touchy situation when it comes to finances. I find it ironic that when Manav wanted to help Vandu financially, Archana stopped him. But Sulo never stopped asking Vinod to provide for his sisters. It's very hypocritical to say the least. That is why Manju couldn't' stand her inlaws. But i'm not supporting Manju completely, she did some very wrong and nasty things. But no mother would like to see their children bond more with their sister in law than with their own mother. Sulo and Archana had no business trying to be mother figure to Punni and Ruchi. That was Manju's right as a mom. I would hate it if my sis in law ever tried to replace my position with my children. That's the point is that Archana is always trying to be mother figure to everyone's kids but her own. What is wrong with this picture? I have no doubt that Manju loved her daughters more than anything and she always tried to do best for them. But unfortunately she was caught up in a household where all three sisters, despite being married kept coming back into the household and causing drama all the time. Manju and Vinod couldn't live separately which any married couple nowadays wants. That was a sore spot for Manju. Sulo was always comparing Manju to her daughters and putting her down. Her daughters turned out no better. Look at Varsha, perfect example of bad upbringing.
I agree that poor Punni got the raw end of the deal. She had to grow up in a dysfunctional family, its not wonder she turned out the way she did. She never got proper father's love and that is why she probably turned to an older man. She constantly saw her father take sides with his mom and sisters against his wife. When Manav listens to Savita everyone on this board always calls him "mama's boy". But in fact Manav has stood up to Savita far more times than Vinod has ever stood up to Sulo. Manav always took Archana's side over Savita, to the point when he moved out of his house and left his mother to be with Archana. Vinod always yelled at Manju. I know Manju deserved it a lot of the time, but once a man gets married the wife should get priority. All Manju ever wanted to was to live separately, and he should've done that from the beginning.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: jonelle


So what exactly are you trying to say That its ok to sleep around with a man twice your age who is also marry 👏 just for money? Put your self in Purvi place had your cousin been having an affair with an old man who is marry would you have told her parents or ignore it telling your cousin"s parents about something wrong your cousin is doing is not sticking your nose in her buisness and please don"t compare Punni with Purvi as good and bad can never match you and i know that( or maybe not)


Where in my post did I ever say that it's ok to sleep around with a married man twice your age? Learn to read the post properly before responding. I said that it was not Purvi's place to expose the affair the way she did it. And I still believe that, she had no business exposing Punni. She is not Punni's mother, she is her cousin. And clearly, they were not even close cousins or have any kind of close relationship. Don't propose to tell me what's good and bad. Don't sound so judgemental, as if you are the higher authority on what is good and bad.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#13

Originally posted by: laxmifan


Naava, you make some vey valid points. But I somewhat understand Manju's feelings towards the Ks. Imagine as a daughter in law living with your inlaws and sister in laws. And the MIL and Sils constantly putting you down about your lack of sanskars. Varsha was always mocking Manju. I agree Archana was always kind to Manju but Sulo and Varsha overstepped their bounds. The fact is that Vinod and Manju were the ones earning money and running the household with their money. None of the 3 sisters were married, and they were all living off their brother's & sis in laws earnings. Varsha got a job later on, but not sure that she contributed financially to the household. Manju wanted to provide well for her kids but always felt that their hard earned money was going for Vinod's sisters wedding, jewelry, etc. It's a touchy situation when it comes to finances. I find it ironic that when Manav wanted to help Vandu financially, Archana stopped him. But Sulo never stopped asking Vinod to provide for his sisters. It's very hypocritical to say the least. That is why Manju couldn't' stand her inlaws. But i'm not supporting Manju completely, she did some very wrong and nasty things. But no mother would like to see their children bond more with their sister in law than with their own mother. Sulo and Archana had no business trying to be mother figure to Punni and Ruchi. That was Manju's right as a mom. I would hate it if my sis in law ever tried to replace my position with my children. That's the point is that Archana is always trying to be mother figure to everyone's kids but her own. What is wrong with this picture? I have no doubt that Manju loved her daughters more than anything and she always tried to do best for them. But unfortunately she was caught up in a household where all three sisters, despite being married kept coming back into the household and causing drama all the time. Manju and Vinod couldn't live separately which any married couple nowadays wants. That was a sore spot for Manju. Sulo was always comparing Manju to her daughters and putting her down. Her daughters turned out no better. Look at Varsha, perfect example of bad upbringing.
I agree that poor Punni got the raw end of the deal. She had to grow up in a dysfunctional family, its not wonder she turned out the way she did. She never got proper father's love and that is why she probably turned to an older man. She constantly saw her father take sides with his mom and sisters against his wife. When Manav listens to Savita everyone on this board always calls him "mama's boy". But in fact Manav has stood up to Savita far more times than Vinod has ever stood up to Sulo. Manav always took Archana's side over Savita, to the point when he moved out of his house and left his mother to be with Archana. Vinod always yelled at Manju. I know Manju deserved it a lot of the time, but once a man gets married the wife should get priority. All Manju ever wanted to was to live separately, and he should've done that from the beginning.


Lax you also make some valid points. But you kind of made my point too. 😊It was Varsha not Archu who mistreated Manju so it shouldn't be Archana that gets the blame and be hated for it. How does that make sense? You are right, I also would feel terrible if my children preferred their auntie over me, but i guess it would cause me to take a good long look why that happened. I don't really think that was the case though, I think they just loved their grandma and auntie. I don't see anything wrong with a aaji and an auntie giving love to the children in the household.
One thing for sure, Vinod's character has been written as such a spineless person with no character responsibility. I totally lost any shred of hope and respect for him when he beat the crap out of his daughter Punni. That was unforgivable and totally out of bounds for me.


Edited by naava - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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The problem with this and all Indian shows is the message sent that if you are a good person to your worst enemy, you can amke them better. For an Indian audience, personality, confidence, wisdom and wit are not the characteristics admired. And on top of it, sense of humor and the ability to deliever sharp oneliners are not welcome. Consequently, our lead is always protrayed as someone who is self-sacrificial and overly generous and she will need to do this in order to win over the audiences (and they are in the majority) Excessive crying is a MUST. So for Archana to forgive Punni? What else would you expect? A smart lead is never portrayed on Indian television for then seh would be seen as teez and chalak and that's what our bad women are supposed to be. Innocence and naietvy is what our leads are and they NEVER learn. Easily fooled and deceived.
I do not see that changing any time soon - least of all on an Ekta Kapoor drama.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laila2009

The problem with this and all Indian shows is the message sent that if you are a good person to your worst enemy, you can amke them better. For an Indian audience, personality, confidence, wisdom and wit are not the characteristics admired. And on top of it, sense of humor and the ability to deliever sharp oneliners are not welcome. Consequently, our lead is always protrayed as someone who is self-sacrificial and overly generous and she will need to do this in order to win over the audiences (and they are in the majority) Excessive crying is a MUST. So for Archana to forgive Punni? What else would you expect? A smart lead is never portrayed on Indian television for then seh would be seen as teez and chalak and that's what our bad women are supposed to be. Innocence and naietvy is what our leads are and they NEVER learn. Easily fooled and deceived.

I do not see that changing any time soon - least of all on an Ekta Kapoor drama.


Yes i have seen this theme in almost every Indian serial i have watched. I have thought about just what you said, but hoped this wasn't true. I didn't want to think that this was reflective of the society. However, that said, my Indian friends who are in my country are also horrified by what they are watching and many have stopped watching for the same reasons i do or want to. Maybe it's time the writers of these serials catch up with modern times.
But lets face it, most all soaps from any country are silly and irritating...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Typical Indian self sacrificing females trend was started by Ekta madam and all the other PH started to use her formula.

I think audiences are fed up of the same story line no wonder the trp's are going down.

That is why I prefer watching english action dramas where they show females who are grey shaded.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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i didnt watch yesterdays episode but i read some topic so i guess what was happened yesterday,really i dont want to watch this show till now, even they cant give a peaceful wedding ceremony and always sacrifice for some illogical reason where everything is ok with some truth revel ,really unbelieveable and i read that arjun and purvi going to a small house after rain ,oh god what actually want ekta pavitra rishta or apavitra rishta ,,,hope ekta dont do it
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: naava


Yes i have seen this theme in almost every Indian serial i have watched. I have thought about just what you said, but hoped this wasn't true. I didn't want to think that this was reflective of the society. However, that said, my Indian friends who are in my country are also horrified by what they are watching and many have stopped watching for the same reasons i do or want to. Maybe it's time the writers of these serials catch up with modern times.
But lets face it, most all soaps from any country are silly and irritating...

Have you watched soaps from the UK, Australia, Pakistan, even Iran? You'd be surprised that other countries actually do a brilliant job. With all the wealth and intellect India has today, you'd think they'd be more creative instead of churning out the same old same but until people complain, nothing is going to change...so women like Archana will continue to do as they do.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: TALIRAlinda

i didnt watch yesterdays episode but i read some topic so i guess what was happened yesterday,really i dont want to watch this show till now, even they cant give a peaceful wedding ceremony and always sacrifice for some illogical reason where everything is ok with some truth revel ,really unbelieveable and i read that arjun and purvi going to a small house after rain ,oh god what actually want ekta pavitra rishta or apavitra rishta ,,,hope ekta dont do it


All that is just negative conjecture on the part of some people who hate Purvi and Archana and just want to malign her.
Im sure Arjun-Purvi didnt do any hanky-panky in that cottage. Come on, Purvi is shy even when Arjun touches her casually. Do u think she will jump into bed or haystack with him just because its raining? 😆 Im sure she wont be like Shravani and have pre-marital relations just because its raining and shes wet (someone pointed out her clothes would be wet and clingy and revealing) 😆
So that means any girl getting wet in Mumbai rains now will have to be careful abt roving male eyes and hang on to her virtue! NICE! 👏 I can understand men having such ideas but women saying such things abt other women? Unbelievable!
Edited by pallavi25 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: pallavi25


All that is just negative conjecture on the part of some people who hate Purvi and Archana and just want to malign her.
Im sure Arjun-Purvi didnt do any hanky-panky in that cottage. Come on, Purvi is shy even when Arjun touches her casually. Do u think she will jump into bed or haystack with him just because its raining? 😆 Im sure she wont be like Shravani and have pre-marital relations just because its raining and shes wet (someone pointed out her clothes would be wet and clingy and revealing) 😆
So that means any girl getting wet in Mumbai rains now will have to be careful abt roving male eyes and hang on to her virtue! NICE! 👏 I can understand men having such ideas but women saying such things abt other women? Unbelievable!


I agree with your points

We have heard of blind love but there is blind hate going on as well.

They want us to look at Ovi's POV while they themselves fail to look at other character's POV. Like Purvi and Archana.


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