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Posted: 14 years ago
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Awesome commentary dii,
Whats up with Dharmesh? He runs off from Satish to save himself form answering, for some time I thought he will escape from the pipe of washroom as shown in films😆

Dunno know di, I liked the scene when Savita aai comes to see howz Manav's business fairing.
Savita aai took efforts from her side to normalize things between Manav and herself, Even Archana was desperate to make her happy saying it was Manav who told to inaugurate the shop from her hands, though I wanted to do it!!!
Manav said no aai its Archu who gave me this advice that we should inaugurate this shop from Aai.
This was effort from his side to make Aai realize how much she wants to be with you and loves you. I dont think here Manav's love for his aai has to be proved by him, Savita aai knows that.....
So this effort form each ones side was pleasing to watch for me, I feel there's nothing to be angry at Archana, infact Aai must be happy to see both of her kids are so desperate to be with her serve her.......

About Vaishu nd Manav's relationship, how it is shaping this will only make Vaishu's stand weak in front of her saas when she will confront Dharmesh's sacchai, and will have least sympathy, coz she didnt feel even once to tell her saas about this whole fraud done by her son.....😔

Edited :
This truth which Manav said to Savita aai wasnt of that intensity as it would have if he told the truth to Sulo aai, and why will he?
If he opens up his mouth and something happens to aai then he solely will be held responsible for the situation, all the truth telling must be done by the respective person, otherwise they are everready to blame others
Edited by ..Sonii.. - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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and what about all the times when he hurt Archana .No one has hurt Archana as bad as he has ...It was not savita who proposed to Shraavni , it was not savita who told him to break his marriage vows even without telling his wife ...he did all this on his own .He was the one who kept saying yes yes yes to girish every time Girish came up with some idea that would hurt Archana ...
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My opinions here r slightly different. The time period ur talking about .........was when Archana had fallen for him in a real bad way ..........like I explained in the post u liked so much .about how and when she fell in love ..............but he had NOT fallen for her in such a big way then . She was to him the girl he was attracted to , and he had luckily actually landed her , but she had quickly gone away from his life just like she had come in it .
Girish did not come up with plans to hurt Archana at all . Girish did not even THINK of Archana . Girish only thought of and for HIS daughter . Archana had made the decision to divorce Manav ..........Girish did not bring about the divorce .
When she came back it was TOO LATE and she realised it and decided to play WIFEY to her heart's content in the 3 month stay so she cud collect memories .She thre and threw herself at Manav to earn his goodwill JUST LIKE BEFORE and then , when she fyi stirred him , left him , content as a woman , although losing him legally . In the process she WRECKED Shravani's chance at happiness .Shravani , who had neither told her to divorce Manav and go with her mom , or invited her to come back , or told her to collect memories .
Girish and Shravani were victims of Archana's single minded focussed activity ..........Gaining Manav's goodwill somehow Back again ..JUST LIKE BEFORE .
Girish had no personal interest in doing ANYTHING to Archana and Manav was NOT his yes man . Sachins child was the issue there and Manav was as worried about it as Girish was ..........infact Girish didnt even WANT it in the world , perhaps knowing more about life .His experience proves RIGHT today ...Manav has turned BACK on his word , discarded his responsibility and is dancing with Archus maaika .CVs have sent Girish away and Shravani away listening to viewers demands .
No one had ASKED Archana to be around a situation she clearly wasn't even wanted in ...........If people cud ask Why is Shravani there still although she has realised she is unwanted , why not apply that to Archna during 3 month stay ? She was NOT WANTED is the blunt bitter truth . Not once did Manav encourage her or gave her slightest hope , SAvita too wanted her out . Yet she stayed there for 'SAVING" HIM . Did she restrict herself to that legality then ?No she went ahead and played WIFE . Her suffering was self made and completely her own doing . Neither was Girish responsible for it , nor Manav nor Savita . This Vaishali whom I am criticissing today so much had very sanely told her U cannot have it both ways ..........either fight for him or just leave him .
Archana left of her own accord , came back of her own accord and bore the suffering of her own accord . NO ONE FORCED HER FOR ANYTHING .
Manav fell for her AFTER the 3 month stay . She ensured it . Till that point he 'loved' her but was in control . She ensured it that he was stirred . Thats the way I saw the story .
I absolutely agree with u that Manav is an extremist and a very stupid man who feels his decisions are the best . Archana is a stupid woman who loves this stupid man is the story .
And both are good people . Stupid , but good people .
Regarding Manav being responsible for Savita.........can he really set boundaries for SAvita ? i think NOT . Human nature pretty much doesnt change as u urself said . Savita will never change , she will be humanized more and more due to her own self contemplation .
If Manav cud not set boundaries for archana's unbounded crazy love , he cannot set boundaries for Savita's nature too .Neither can Damodar .Neither can Satish control Varsha . No one can control anyone .
But yes .he cud have controlled HIS OWN responses to Savita's atrocious proposals of putting sindoor in Shravnis maang or the engagement proposed by Girish . He didnt say YES to both coz he was a YES MAN at that point , he said YES coz it was HIS GOAL to get Archana OUT FROM THERE as he confided to Tarun .
But I agree with u that Manav is an extremist and needs a sharp talk on balancing relation ships .
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Posted: 14 years ago
#43

and what about all the times when he hurt Archana .No one has hurt Archana as bad as he has ...It was not savita who proposed to Shraavni , it was not savita who told him to break his marriage vows even without telling his wife ...he did all this on his own .He was the one who kept saying yes yes yes to girish every time Girish came up with some idea that would hurt Archana ...
His mother is used to that manav who has always placed her before Archu and has even got out of his way to hurt his own wife so bad ...
Thank God he is not hurting her anymore but he has to accept his part in the whole nasty situation and not blame it all on Savita only now ......
If Savita is rude to Archana then it is he who put her on that path by always giving in to her demands
Tha twhole idea of replacing the necklace and not telling his mother to hurt her feelings was a horrible idea .He should have told her ...' No dowry demands whatsoever ' and put his foot down firmly on that ...
Also in later situations , should have told mommy ' I am not putting sindoor on anothr woman , not getting engaged again ' til lI am divorced ...so please behave yourself and even if you hate her you will have to respect her as she is my wife ....
Then he never said anything and now he wants Savita to change herself overnight .....Still doesn't accept his part of the blame in the whole ugly situation which was created by him ...
you know Tiya ...so far not once has Manav properly said ' I messed up , I messed up my family and now we have to put this family back together again ' ...He should say that in front of his mother , his dad, his wife .......



I am loving Tanya's analysis. :-) I have actually seen this in real life too. Boys/men who are complete "ma ka laadlas" before marriage somehow transforms into pakka "joru ka ghulams" after marriage. Just that in this case Manav's change came after the 2nd marriage. These men always need a pallu to hold on to. 1st its the mom and then the biwi. They lack the strength of character to judge every situation in a pragmatic way. They are either their mom's or their wife's. I think conciously or subconciously they just take the easy way out in life, pleasing the woman who they need more at that particular stage in life.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Very interesting post Kool. I didn't mean that Girish did anything deliberately .He was indeeed only focussed on setting up his daughter .....
But somehow indirectly due to his actions , Archana was getting hurt and Manav knew that , still chose to look the other way ..As you said .....he didn't love Archu that much then ...
And yes yo uare right ..Shravani was a victim of Archana's love for Manav which never went away from Archana's heart ..
The only place where I differ from you is when yo usaid Manav did not do anything and it was all from Archana's sid onl for 3 months ...The way I see it ...Manav would take one step towards her , Archana would take 10 ...bu the did take that one step ...
This was this unspoke arrangement between them .....an understanding .....
The day this understanding started was when Manav went to Varsha's engaement and Archana asked him that if she could wear the sindoor as a dikhawa and Manav got absoluetl yfurious for her using the word dikhawa ...He did not say to her directly bu the left the room saying something sarcastic ..Archana was then confused as to what he meant but slwoly and surely she went along with this ..Most of the time she was the one going towards him but he too surely gave her rope ..
Or else why did he not wake his mother or Shravani when he was sick ...why make a sound , wake up Archana and have her look after him all night ..and countless such occasions were there ...in those 3 months ..His intentions were never to marry Archana or not to stop divorce but this intentions were always to love her and no one else , that is where this whole Pavitra Rishta ( the weird one that we had before ) started ..........
I never saw him ever to try and strengthen the emotuional bond between him and Shravani ....
But yes , Archu was the one who would take 10 steps ...
Savita was the one who figured it out and spoke to Archana and convinced her to break up with him properly and that is then when they broke up for one full year ......Even in that one year he did nothing to try improve his emotional relationship with Shravani ....
And when Archana came back he fell in love with her very badly , espacially after she said yes to Jaywant on his orders ....
At least this is how I have seen their relationship develop into a very intense romantic one that what it is right now ...
Edited by Tanyaz - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: ..Sonii..


Awesome commentary dii,
Whats up with Dharmesh? He runs off from Satish to save himself form answering, for some time I thought he will escape from the pipe of washroom as shown in films😆

Dunno know di, I liked the scene when Savita aai comes to see howz Manav's business fairing.
Savita aai took efforts from her side to normalize things between Manav and herself, Even Archana was desperate to make her happy saying it was Manav who told to inaugurate the shop from her hands, though I wanted to do it!!!
Manav said no aai its Archu who gave me this advice that we should inaugurate this shop from Aai.
This was effort from his side to make Aai realize how much she wants to be with you and loves you. I dont think here Manav's love for his aai has to be proved by him, Savita aai knows that.....
So this effort form each ones side was pleasing to watch for me, I feel there's nothing to be angry at Archana, infact Aai must be happy to see both of her kids are so desperate to be with her serve her.......

About Vaishu nd Manav's relationship, how it is shaping this will only make Vaishu's stand weak in front of her saas when she will confront Dharmesh's sacchai, and will have least sympathy, coz she didnt feel even once to tell her saas about this whole fraud done by her son.....😔

Edited :
This truth which Manav said to Savita aai wasnt of that intensity as it would have if he told the truth to Sulo aai, and why will he?
If he opens up his mouth and something happens to aai then he solely will be held responsible for the situation, all the truth telling must be done by the respective person, otherwise they are everready to blame others

What the MOTHER needs to know ..........any kind of mother for that in the world needs to know is Her son loves her INDEPENDENTLY , on his OWN , uninfluenced by his WIFE . Savita needed to hear THAT and she got exactly an opposite answer .............that I remembered u only coz MY WIFE was kind enough to MAKE ME REMEMBER .
That HURTS . I am a mom and this wud have hurt me . There is no question of the wife being good or bad here ..........this is between Mom and son .Whatever Manavs intentions were , the way he handled that issue was TACTLESS and INSENSITIVE .
He showed a different sensitivity to Sulochana's FEELINGS and LIED to her about Vaishu . Doesnt Savita have FEELINGs then ?
Manav shud have known BETTER .Archana was right for once .
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Posted: 14 years ago
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But yes , Archu was the one who would take 10 steps ...


There u go .So if after her 10 steps he took one step , she was accomplishing her goal [ an unconscious one as she is not a pakka type at all .}..........he is human in't he ?He is not GOD . He is human and a very stupid human at that . This was the girl who had caught his male fancy ....and here she was trying hard to please him , who wudnt be stirred ? . Still I wud say he was remarkably in control and stirred very late . Any other man wud have deflowered her by giving her kasams and wat not .The way Archana was doing things for him , a man wud have gone crazy .
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Posted: 14 years ago
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If he opens up his mouth and something happens to aai then he solely will be held responsible for the situation, all the truth telling must be done by the respective person, otherwise they are everready to blame others .
So he closed his mouth and saved Saasu Maa's health .
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And opened his mouth and will now drive his own Maa to mental unstability . Coz dont tell me he was this stupid that he didn't know that this answer wud HURT his mom . He DID . But in his bid to stress Archana's goodness on her mind , he hurt her like hell . And he assured Archna that this was needed like KADWA medicene for his own mom .
Well he is going to be proved WRONG .The old lady went home and won't be the same again .
Both Damodar and Manav r going about it THE WRONG WAY ...........they think praising Archana to the skies and ignoring Savita is the way to make Savita LIKE Archana .How incredibly STUPID . I pity their brains .
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Posted: 14 years ago
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KOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLL


Did u read the new article??😃🤪
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Kool, Archana has always been more in love with him than he is with her ..These days I am trying my best to analyse characters objectively and if they do mistakes then I say they are wrong an that even includes Archana ... ..
I had always said before that one thng I have always disliked about Archu is wh yshe loves this guy so insanely ........It's not now ..I have always said that ..
Bu tthis guy too ...... He could have stopped it ....he didn't because he didn't wan tto stop it ...
She was doing exactly what he wanted her to do .....he wanted her looking after him , loving him following orders without questioning him .....
I am sorry bu the was playing with 2 emotinaly vulnerable girls ....Archana and Shravani ..He wanted to give marriage to Shravani and his promise of love was for Archana ...
What I am trying to say .....he too should be told that he has made mistakes and his decisions have hurt people and played havoc with their lives .......
In my opinion the woman he loves most in this world is Savita , yes even now ....
But he is angry with her because she is not accepting his decision ..All savita has to do is to stop being childish and get over her jealousy with Archana ..She is used to being the no. 1 girl in Manav's life so she hates what is going on right now .....It's jealousy more than anything else right now ....
If she gets over this jealousy then she will have her son back immediately , his money ( he will put money on her hand every month like before ) all the emotional control and everything ....also she will have a bahu who like a doormat will spend all her life trying to please mother and son ....
Edited by Tanyaz - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Don't take me wrong Kool ..I really really like Manav ..
But just liek Archana's chaarcter has flaws ( this insane love for the guy , lack of self respect and even bit of a hypocrite when it comes to decisions about Manav ) even Manav has flaws ...he has a habit of making decisions on his own as to what he feels is right and ( even you have called him a stubborn mule ) just implementing those decisions and never saying that he is wrong ..
After the whole Shravani fiasce ...the only time he fleetingly said that he was wrong was when he told Staish ( when he came to Archana's mandap to elope with her ) 'I made a mistake ...I pushed her away from my life ..I have to correct this mistake because I cannot live without her ' ...
That's it ...Tha t was the only admission from him.. To both the mothers it was a quick ...'Haan , ghalti ho gayei , maaf kardo ' ....Come on ....He has to be shown that he is sitting quietly and thinking about how his decisons have hurt Archana, Shravani and now his mother Savita ....

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