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star_wars

@star_wars

Dazzler

Posted: 14 years ago

#201

Originally posted by: archanamanav
How about Emergency Exit..Karen..🤓..for shravani...

😆😆😆 That might work Usha seeing that dignified or undignified did not work. She is holding on for life

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archanamanav

@archanamanav

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Posted: 14 years ago

#202

This monkey finds jaanu teacher very buddhu..🤓..so i jump on your head🤓

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SaffyFlower

@SaffyFlower

Dazzler

Posted: 14 years ago

#203

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Yes,I was not on IF then,my bad.I am surprised at this stand of yours,so a mother's opinion of the marriage sanctifies it but not wat the couple themselves santify in their hearts?I suppose you meant Archu accepting it in front of her mother?To me the ritual matters as it indicates giving God the promise,but the intention of the couple itself is what cliches the deal.Islamically,if the couple does not feel the intention that it is a marriage,

it is not considered to be accepted by God.Intention is everything.

Well then what does Islam say about divorce with consent ? Not asking u this question sarcastically , out of curiosity , since I don't know so much about Islam .

Also I wud like to know what Islam says about roaming around with another man AFTER engagement to another . This question I have been meaning to ask u since many days coz u always see things from an Islamic perspective .I have great respect for that religion , unfortunately my knowledge of it is miniscule . Can u please enlighten me ? My questions , i repeat are not in sarcasm . They are out of genuine curiosity .

In Hinduism .........roaming around with another man AFTER the VIDHI of Sakharpuda is regarded as a great sin . Especially if the husband forbids it expressly . The Sakharpuda Vidhi is the first where the girl touches the right hand of the man and mantras are uttered to sanctify the acceptance of the spouse before God . In original Hinduism , there is no divorce at all . Hindus today follow the law of state . Modified Hinduism today emphasizes that go in for KAADIMOD only if you are not in love , under domestic abuse , adultery [ I wont give all the reasons] . Sulochana has not slapped Archana for roaming with Manav on his birthday as a Hindu Mom , My mother would have disowned me .

Can u elucidate me and make me richer in knowledge please ?I will then give u my answer about whether a mom's permissiion sanctifies it or the intention of the couple .

Fifi will know this best but I will try with honesty to answer this question.

Requirements for marriage -

1)at least 2 witnesses

2)the ritual

3)the man is asked 'do u aceept her as wife',he has to say yes,she is asked 'do u accept him as husband',she has to say yes

4) The should be no intention of divorce at all - ArJay simply nullified here,coz he intends divorce already

5)Man has to offer Maher,its like a dowry - woman can make her specific demand too,if he can afford it,he shud give,she can say I dont want as well.He can give it installments,or sometime later too.

Engagement -

No concept of engagement,current practice mostly among desis only due to local influences.Any haq or farz,sexual,financial,social,economic etc. is given only in marriage.Marriage is accepted as the oath to God.If to be broken by divorce comes with clear rules of alimony,child custody,what happens to dowry,etc.Until the day of divorce,both spouse continue to have all marital rights and duties - like he has to provide for her and kids,she has to take care of house and kids,sexual rights only when both consent.Cannot accept or give a proposal for another marriage until divorce completes if divorce intention exists and not polygamy,Manav shravni thing punishable for both.😃Same 3 month rule after divorce filed,shud stay under 1 roof thing to reconsider divorce.After 3 months even if 1 spouse wants divorce,it is granted.

We have to agree to disagree now😆

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Tanyaz

@Tanyaz

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Posted: 14 years ago

#204

Originally posted by: omshreejaanu

Why r u guys going on n on like a broken record - he's gonna throw sindoor on her.😆😆 Lets wait n c n we all know Manav is dying evry day thinking of Archu becoming some1 else wife he confesses himself.
Our bad luck our hero doesn't hav it enuf in him 2 show the middle finger 2 all n run n fight 4 his love. We all know he only reacts when bullied n show his feelings then. He'll marry the woman he always desires, he is a gud man at heart, he has suffered a lot, he deserves happiness, he's gettg it so i dont care a damn if he throws a pinch or a bucket of sindoor on Archu. They marry bas n face the consequences n on a lighter n optimistic note: the 1st pota / poti of the KS will b from Manav n Archana Deshmukhs, Koi shak!!😉

Very good post Jaanu , You are right , me not complaining no more . As long as he makes Archu happy after marriage , it's fine with me also Usha ..

I love Manav when he is angry and when he looses his temper ..Because that is the only time he does so much for Archana , looks like this sindoor putting will be done in a fit of anger as well..

Maybe Jay will be winking at manav and giving him mean smiles and that will get Manav's head spinning ...

I am all happy now ,no more anger ..

I hope Nicki also becomes happy ..Don't worry Nicki , I am not going to say one word to manav if he puts sindoor thisway .He is saving Archu from th at devil Jaywant and in doing so he doesn't even care anymore about his image , his promise and anything else ..That means that now Archana's life has become more important for him than anything else .

How can I ever be angry with Manav for this ...

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star_wars

@star_wars

Dazzler

Posted: 14 years ago

#205

Tanyaz, well I will be in a state of anger if Jay winking made Manav throw sindoor on Archana .😡 I prefer if he pokes Jay in which ever eye he is winking than putting sindoor🤣 Ah well, whatever gets the job done. Fine with me.😉😆😆😆

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archanamanav

@archanamanav

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Posted: 14 years ago

#206

you know they have already married once..so no need to do those rituals all over again..just putting sindhoor will do guruji..🥳

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gaurimisha

@gaurimisha

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Posted: 14 years ago

#207

Originally posted by: star_wars
Tanyaz, well I will be in a state of anger if Jay winking made Manav throw sindoor on Archana .😡 I prefer if he pokes Jay in which ever eye he is winking than putting sindoor🤣 Ah well, whatever gets the job done. Fine with me.😉😆😆😆

😆😆😆😆...sab kuch chalega....mujhe bas shaadi dekhne ka hai aur dance karne ka hai😆😆😆😆...n then dream abt SR...license to dream always thr na...pavitra license...after marriage🤣

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Tanyaz

@Tanyaz

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Posted: 14 years ago

#208

GM , even my sisters are saying this ..They are saying , evrey thing else can be taken care of later , pehle shaadi karo Archu se then all will be forgiven ...

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Tanyaz

@Tanyaz

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Posted: 14 years ago

#209

Originally posted by: archanamanav
you know they have already married once..so no need to do those rituals all over again..just putting sindhoor will do guruji..🥳

that's a very good point .

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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

Stunner

+ 3

Posted: 14 years ago

#210

No concept of engagement :

So I gather that Islam has no ritual of engagement as such ..direct nikaah ?

Well Hindus Have a ritual of Sakharpuda or VAK Nischaya ........a promise made before GOd and it is a cardinal sin to betray the man you are bethroted to .

Hinduism doesn't permit divorce . Yet Archana divorced Manav and Manav divorced Archana . The reason that he did it for a personal word .will be frowned down upon in modified Hinduism today too ......original hinduism will never accept it . Even the courts today wont accept it . They will entertain causes like domestic abuse , adultery , impotency but never a personal word . In this sense Manav will be held at fault .

Archana will be held at fault for going with her husband in his wrong decision and not bringing him on the right path . Original Hinduism stresses that the real duty of a pativrata is in bringing husband on the right path . Modified Hinduism too wud have insisted it . The court order stay was given to her for really working on the marraige , not for manipulating it to save her husband , which she did . Had she informed the court of his bigamous action , he wud have been reprimanded by a judge .

Original Hinduism will recognise Manav at fault for giving his word to Shravni . It wont even RECOGNIZE Shravni .

So what does Archana practice ? Is she traditional hindu with implicit belief in rituals only ................does the putting of the sindoor make Manav Pati ? Then how did she sign on divorce paper ?

Had it made Manav Pati in the first marraige , that ritual ? Coz during the first time she had no emotions , she was an arranged marraige bride , obeying her parents like a good hindu gal .

I don't see her as adhering to rituals .............coz she went back with her mom and agreed to sign on divorce paper . Vandu was unemotionally ritualistic . The ritual was everything for her .........once married , she never left Ajit come what may . She didnt love him then , it came much later but she had implicit belief in the ritual . She stuck by the ritual , and thru it , by her husband . Vandu falls in the category of the wives that exist in original hinduism . Till this point , im speaking , ok ? AAge ka I dunno .

But Archana doesnt fall into category of ritualistic wife . She broke rituals , her marraige ., the most sacred of them all . So how come she accepts Manav after he throws sindoor second time in her maang to SAVE her without even asking for her permission if this time she is ready to become his wife ? Especially as he threw her out first ? Isnt he entitled to ASK her permission this time and give her respect ?

If Manav walks upto her and throws sindoor in her maang without even asking her , expecting her compliance , he is a classic male chauvinist pig and hinduism frowns on him again coz the opinion of the stree COUNTS . And two minutes back this stree , this woman was saying I want Jay Only , bhala boora he is my fate . Yet the moment the sindoor is thrown she , who is nOT ritualistic believer , starts showing implicit faith in the ritual and says oh the sindoor in my maang makes me his wife ? So what does this make Archna acc to u ? I am not criticizing her , I am very puzzled .

Shravni will pay for her compliance in the sindoor and engagement . She got tremendous unhappiness and will get more on the 12th .

But the karma of ARMAN is far far of a greater magnitude from religious POV . The Karmicc punishment for not respecting ones own marraige and unecessarily taking divorce is no marraige at all even if they pine for it .

Now for Sulo . Sulo I dont categorize as sumone believing in ancient hinduism but sumone practising modified hinduism and walking with the times . She found on the marraige day , that everything told about the DEshmukhs was false and that she was tricked in this arranged marraige . Manohar had not confided in her , but chose to hide some facts from her ..........now that was strictly his problem . So she took a stand that just putting mangalsutra and sindoor does not make this marraige , Im taking my daughter back with me . Acc to modified Hinduism practised today , Archna , who at that point was not in love with Manav but merely obeying wishes of her parents went with her quietly , as any arranged marraige gal today wud do . I never faulted Archna then for that though many did .In my opinion they were both practising modified hinduism and absolutely within their rights .

Later Sulo came around , reconsidered after debating with Kaka and gave the marraige a chance . Listening to her mother , the girl came to live with her hubby . In an arranged marraige , if tricked , the parents resrve full right to take the girl back and bear her burden as the poor girl was implicitly obeying them as a dutiful daughter .So her responsibility falls on them .Not so in a love marraige . There is no question of whats in the hEART in a modified hindu marraige .....arrange marraiges r arranged unemotionally . Its a deal of life .......if one party tRICKS , the other party has right to object , not allow it to destroy further . Since Sulochna decided Archnas fate till then with Archnas agreement , she had the power to not recognise the marraige at all if she chose to . And she had valid reasons . This is what happens in hundreds of arranged marraiges in hIndus .

For me ..........the 15 day marraige started THEN . Coz till then I believed it was a modified Hinduism practising family I saw .

Suddenly at some point Archna started acting like an ancient Satya Yuga Hindu wife . Selectively she even started behaving like a modified hinduism practising wife . Later she became so warped .....neither here nor there That I cud not relate to that character either as an ancient hindu , a modified hindu or simply a modern gal either . I cud relate to her as a human who needed tremendous counselling though .

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