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Kalapi

@Kalapi

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Posted: 14 years ago

#101

Ok, I have been reading a lot about Archu's commitments and her engagement to Jay, and how it is a sin to fight for Manav while being engaged to another man. But, let me ask what kind of commitment Archu and Jay are really in? As far as I remember, Archu really never wanted a second marriage in the first place, but everyone pressurized her into the engagement. What went on was pure emtional blackmail from all front that she couldn't ignored, Agreed, Right?

Except, for once, I don't remember Jay (or his family) for that matter to go on a date with her or try to understand her mental state? Oh! She is a divorcee for crying out loud? No one, including her family gave her time to heal the scars from her first marriage. Yeah, I know she accepted divorce on her own accord, but let not forget it was more for Manav's sake than for any other reasons. Yes, she needn't have done it, but as I have said before, she is hopelessly in love and is all messed up about it, so logic and practical sense is out of the window here!

So, when something as serious as a murder charge happens against the man she loves, what happens, she buckles. Is that so surprising? Everyone blaming her and talking about boundaries and all, but I don't see anyone gave her the time to understand her fully, rather put a gun on her head so that she agrees for the engagement.

People do foolish things in love, and she for one is a very unlucky girl, no one really understands her or really spent the time to know her. I am not a Archu fan, but I feel that people expect this character to be SUPER-HUMAN, when all she is portrayed as a MORTAL BEING with the usual emotions flaws and shortcomings.

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Mandy

@mandy0310

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Posted: 14 years ago

#102

As bad as I feel for Archana, there needed to be an intervention to get her to realize that she needs to stop worshipping the ground Manav walks on. Manav is not worth it! I don't want to see him rot in jail for the rest of his life but after what he put Archana through, he doesn't deserve to be held in such high regards.

Manju and Savita's scene, while I enjoy seeing Savita get what she dishes out at others Manju went too far with some of the things she said.

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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

Stunner

+ 3

Posted: 14 years ago

#103

I dont even want to start here about how abnormally this girl behaves from day one of realising her so called LOVE which btw started SUDDENLY after hearing a tape that proved Manav innocent .till that point even the L of LOVE hadnt emerged .

But i agree with u on one point ........she is messed up and foolish .Even that wud be ok , I told u , I have noooooo probs if she sits like a mEERA and sings Manavs bhajans without expecting anything in return . But she has drageed 3 families in the mud with her and created havoc in all 3 .Its SOOOOO simple .................Get out of the engagement . Tell them , u will remain a spinster , doing Manav Bhakti . All will rant and quietly go away . No one will bother u again . But this tamasha that she is doing of gETTING REMARRIED coz MANAV BLACKMAILED her is UNACCEPTABLE .It has led to HAVOC .She shud sense it and stop it .Foolishness can be excused yet , but theres a LIMIT .The monster in a man awakened due to her Manav worship , Her mom is now sick seeing her disturbing relationship with her in laws , Saas is fed up with her .............Archu shud DROP this engagement , enuf is enuf .How long can it be excused that she is foolish in love and that it is adorable ?

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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 14 years ago

#104

Originally posted by: bollywoodcrazed

As bad as I feel for Archana, there needed to be an intervention to get her to realize that she needs to stop worshipping the ground Manav walks on. Manav is not worth it! I don't want to see him rot in jail for the rest of his life but after what he put Archana through, he doesn't deserve to be held in such high regards.
Manju and Savita's scene, while I enjoy seeing Savita get what she dishes out at others Manju went too far with some of the things she said.

AGREED MANDY .😊

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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

Stunner

+ 3

Posted: 14 years ago

#105

Originally posted by: SaffyFlower
I am busy but I have to reply now😆

1)Manju told crap to savita - none of the Ks were around.It was between savita and manju,nobody else except perhaps her mother should be blamed for it.Manju was behaving perfectly fine since she came back,even her own hubby who called her kutte ki dum,has accepted her as being normal,nobody knows she is showing avatars outside

2)If any of the Ks even by chance had heard what manju had said,they would have silenced manju,this including sulo and archu.It would be unfair to equate the Ks to Manju

3)FYI,I wrote a post earlier itself that savita had full rights to blast anybody to stay off from harming her son's interests - u are quoting me wrong - but dont call them panauthi and crap,its another family's self-respect here.Even if inspector was not giving third degree,even if this was a smaller crime that manav was gonna do a yr or 2 in jail,savita's reaction wud be same and she is entitled to it even then. Jail sentence mars life.

4) Savita has Girish's money power,precisely why shravni is not going to a job to provide for her son despite being more educated than Manav

6)COming back to Sulo shud wait for Archu to change forever - when vandu had the rape attempt and she saw savita crying that nobody would marry her,vandu attempted suicide,because she truly believed nobody would marry her and her future was bleak,she wanted to end her life.This is a gal who belongs to this generation

Sulo's thinking is no less and she is from a generation older than vandu, her daughter also has 'kalang' of divorce according to her, bcoz again,that is the society she lives in - expecting that Sulo should not preassurize her daughter,wait forever,watch Manav emotionally control her,she wud never ever move on - she felt archu had no future,no security,no sahara,in danger -

savita saw physical hardship for her son,sulo saw mental - its my opinion as a parent she deserved sympathy here - she was blasted in the commentary as being heartless and crossing her limit

Savita herself blasted Manav later saying exactly what Sulo said to Manav,word to word- savita's experienced nose said it all,after all

I am saying savita and sulo both deserve sympathy because both their children r at the verge of abyss according to their mothers.

And Thanks for thinking my post was worth the quote !

So what if Savita blasted Manav ? Savita is his mom .Sulo is EX Saas . What earthly right does she have to expect manav to force Archu to marry , moti ko itna pata nahi ki unhappy marraige may drive the man her daughter will marry NUTS ? btw thats precisely wat has happened but I wont go into it .

My mom is traditional .She wud talk to mE not my EX . She wud coax me , cajole me . Get angry with me .But if she sensed an ABSOLUTE NO NO from me .........She wud worry about the BOY . Thats MY traditional mom for u . Her sisters r same . Traditional women have a big sense of responsibility towards damaad and bahus . Who said she shud WAIT FOREVER ?But if ur daughter is of a different make up mentally , U CANNOT JEOPARDIZE other peoples lives ! So sorry but thats the way it stands ! Varsha came around ........Archna is just not the type ! So leave her then ! Forcing marraige on such a gal is suicide for her , better if she does job and stays alone ! So many cases r there !

Panauti point : Saffy u want my blunt opinion ? THE MARRAIGE ITSELF IS A PANAUTI . This ARMAN MARRAIGE . In anger Savita said part truth .Its not Archu who is Panoti for Manav , even Manav is Panoti for her . This shaadi itself is unlucky and star crossed from day one .Happiness is zilch , tension and dukh is more . Nothing good is coming from it , at aNY POINT . This is what foolish CVS proved with idiotic ROCKY TRACKS . As I saw it , Savita has never called such things to Archu before . Not after relations improved .Neither is she that regressive ..see the support she gave unwed gal like Shravni .But this time she is badly scared . And when she is scared she shows false bravado and rage .Thats her nature .Her purpose in talking meanly to Archu was somehow HURTING HER ENOUGH TO KEEP HER AWAY FROM MANAV SO THAT JAY WUD NOT HAVE HIS DAGGER IN HER SON .

Limits can be crossed only in exceptional cases .Life and death cases . Not in homely issues ........not when u owe the other person ur LIFE . The Karanjkars have to this point not experienced jailing or loss of life that Savita has . Tulsey was rite , one must be in Savitas shoes to understand her pain .No one .bhavna , rasika , Sulo .no one is in her shoes . She has suffered the mOST in all 3 .

The Girish thing .I doubt . Manav , whatever he was , didnt take a dime from Girish . Savita tore companys cheque , she wont go against Manavs wishes .She may be greedy but to this point we see her asking Manav . Neither will Damo encourage , drunkard though he may be . This is just assumption on ur part , i somehow cant accept it as nothing justifies it till now ..............

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Tulsey

@Tulsey

Inactive

Posted: 14 years ago

#106

Everyone, meaning Manav, Archana, Shravani and Savita are going through a very tough time in their lives.

Since the jail kissa, all the above except for Shravani are devastated and trying to cope with the situation. Archana has been bashed left right and center, but really, she has gone into engagement with Jay without her will. Manav has been dragged into the jail for no aparent reason. He might be a suspect, but do you put suspects in the jail? If you have 10 suspects, would you put all 10 of them in jail and provide food etc for all? Isn't this wastage of public tax money?

Savita, is running around trying to find any straw to save the life of her son....what a tragic time in her life.

Since Archana got married to Manav, she has lost herself in Manav. If she can't see anyone other than Manav, then it is her wish. Solu trying to settle her daughter is only causing grief at large for her and everyone around. A big monster has been created under the disguise of Jay. Just wait how she will fall into pieces when she finds out that even Satish has deceived her.

Edited by Tulsey - 14 years ago

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Kalapi

@Kalapi

Dazzler

Posted: 14 years ago

#107

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
People do foolish things in love, and she for one is a very unlucky girl, no one really understands her or really spent the time to know her. I am not a Archu fan, but I feel that people expect this character to be SUPER-HUMAN, when all she is portrayed as a MORTAL BEING with the usual emotions flaws and shortcom .
I dont even want to start here about how abnormally this girl behaves from day one of realising her so called LOVE which btw started SUDDENLY after hearing a tape that proved Manav innocent .till that point even the L of LOVE hadnt emerged .

But i agree with u on one point ........she is messed up and foolish .Even that wud be ok , I told u , I have noooooo probs if she sits like a mEERA and sings Manavs bhajans without expecting anything in return . But she has drageed 3 families in the mud with her and created havoc in all 3 .Its SOOOOO simple .................Get out of the engagement . Tell them , u will remain a spinster , doing Manav Bhakti . All will rant and quietly go away . No one will bother u again . But this tamasha that she is doing of gETTING REMARRIED coz MANAV BLACKMAILED her is UNACCEPTABLE .It has led to HAVOC .She shud sense it and stop it .Foolishness can be excused yet , but theres a LIMIT .The monster in a man awakened due to her Manav worship , Her mom is now sick seeing her disturbing relationship with her in laws , Saas is fed up with her .............Archu shud DROP this engagement , enuf is enuf .How long can it be excused that she is foolish in love and that it is adorable ?

Agreed Kools she is dragging families and Sulo's asthma😆 in her madness. But she hasn't been given enough time to get over her past life. Divorcees need a long time to get over their experience, whether good or bad, and whatever they did they sure didn't give her that and Jay hasn't really got into an emotional relationship with her. Its a marriage of compro and for Jay to fulfill his ambitions, so be it. Yeah, monster in the man has risen, but she isn't aware of it yet. When she will know she will realize the destruction she has started but by then it will be too late (and therein lies the tradegy of their relationship - a relation that destroys, yeah), but for now she isn't aware of any wrongdoing or that Jay is bent over destroying Manav. 😡

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Arien_03

@Arien_03

Inactive

Posted: 14 years ago

#108

Saw some posts between Niki,Kool and GM as to why Manav didn't bother to tell Archana about Jaywant. I agree with Niki that all that Manav saw was jealous Jaywant. He already knew that Jaywant doesn't like Archana to keep any contact with him. Nobody will like that his fiancee goes to meet another man in jail everyday and Manav must have thought that Jaywant must have found that out and is furious about it. Just the way he was furious when Prakash talked dirty about Archana and then Manav almost was ready to kill him. Was Prakash's crime was big enough to get punishment like that? Manav's has felt what passion can make people do. He doesn't know what's Jaywant's true intentions are or what Jaywant is upto. All he knows is Jaywant is saying all that coz he is mad that Archana is still emotionally attached to Manav inspite of being engaged to him.

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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

Stunner

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Posted: 14 years ago

#109

She does not see Archu as suicidal at all .

Archu has suicidal tendencies . So does Manohar . Extreme disappointment or failure causes them to do it . One suicidal attempt has been made ...........Does Sulochna want another when Archu hates the touch of the mans fingers on her body ?

The bottomline remains .........Varsha AGREED HERSELF AFTER THINKING WITHOUT PRESSURE . Archu had promised both .her and Vaishu that consider the boy , but ultimately ur wish will be the ruling factor .Archu cried and told , she is happier as she is .

Yes there r parents who force marraiges on children who r in no frame of mind to do them as they have more worldly experience . Some children come around .But parents , traditional or modern are in a position to KNOW their offsprings like the back of their hand . U see , these r the babies who peed on their bodies once upon a time . They know this child is rebellious , he can be managed this way , this child is timid , she does things secretly , this child never opens up and bursts like a volcano . So the yardstick the Parent uses for EACH CHILD IS DIFFERENT . Varsha and Vaishu r practical , tough gals who r no way like Archu .Neither r they emotional nor have they done suicidal attempt .Archu is over emotional and has done a suicide attempt . NO MOM IN HER RIGHT MIND WUD FORCE MARRAIGE ON SUCH A CHILD . Even if Sulo feels marraige is the answer to everything , Now she shud not do it , for she knows what happens when Archu snaps .

Yes I know of Moms who force marraiges on children by faking suicide attempts and i dont condone it . They take a risk of making the child miserable for LIFE . I have high contempt for it , these tactics ........whether bhalaai of child is objective or not . Maybe sometimes the marraige turns out to be a successs but I have seen an equal no of miserable children .These Moms r so short sighted they dont even tHINK of the boy ........that perhaps he , their damaad will be miserable . They have perhaps a god given miserable right to screw their own daughters life but not their damads as he is the offspring of ANOTHER WOMAN .

If Sulochna sensed Manav was BIGAMIST and u feel this was her justified reason for feeling fury , sorry , but she SUPPORTED THIS BIGAMY by encouraing Archu to have a friendship with him and sending SHEERA . And even if this fury came late , She shud TALK TO HER DAUGHTER FIRST . Control ur own daughter who runs like crazy after the bigamist . Dont blame him , he hasnt come to ur door step asking her for dates .He didnt tell her dont marry .Ur daughter took interest in his life and ran after him and u had no control over ur own daughter , infact u supported her friendship and ran off to do bahu seva , dumping responsibility of old husband on her head and giving her a rein free atmosphere to flirt with the bIGAMIST . And then suddenly when a proposal came u sat up and sought him to blame him ?

Did u see Sulo searching for grooms for Archu like the traditional moms u described to me ? Did u see her even THINKING of Archus marraige till Dharmu brot this one proposal to their doorstep of his own accord ? In fact she was fine with Archus friendship with manav and went to live at Manjus house , hardly giving Archu a thought . Then out the blue she blamed Manav ...........coz she wanted to please the second rich jamaai by accepting his goodwill proposal and suddenly Manav uSKE AANKHON MAIN KHATAKNE LAGA . Neither was she motivated by Archus welfare [ she has shown no thought till that point] Nor was she that horrified by BIGAMY . She had kind of accepted that her DIFFERENT DAUGHTER ARCHU had this pavitra rishta with her EX and was fine .She does NOT Fit into the mould of moms u described . Even if she was , my answer remains same ............APNI BETI KO SAMBHALO . No way r EX 's supposed to convince to remarry .Their personal feelings r invested in this inspite of the divorce and that desrves some respect . First she neglects her daughter , Daughter goes steadily out of control; like the waxing moon then she ropes in ex to force the daughter as she herself has no influence over her and no clue about how the daughter feels . The daughter has done ONE suicide attempt , what if after marraige she does it ? Sulo has no right to blast Manav , he has ulta full right to tell her I wont talk , this is ur business , leave me out .

Sorry , I dont agree Savita is a PANOTI at all . Panoti is a jinx .A spate of unlucky events occur . Savita had a happy marraige with Damo , she raised 3 lovely children , they were fine till Archus rishta came along . Her hubby drank , but that was it . They were poor but normal folk . The Karanjkar alliance first gave Manav badnaami , a broken marraige , then took Sachin away as their bahu framed them , then upset the second marraige they arranged for Manav [ with Shravni] then led to a spate of unlucky events that eventually landed him in jail , once more framed by Karanjkar damaads .First time they were framed by Karanjkar bahu , now by damads . The Karanjkar Alliance is the Panoti in Savitas life , I wont say its Archu . And If at all someone has to be called a panoti , call it to Manju ...she is Panoti of Karanjkars , Of Deshmukhs and mostly of ARCHU ...........even today she spoilt relations between Savita Archu exactly the way she did earlier . Manju is the ETERNAL Panoti of the serial , not Savita .She has my full sympathy . Her husband drank but that tigress pulled the family thru . Manju is a most faaltu woman with no substance at all .Whatever she is , Savita has more substance than Manju anyday . Thats subjective of course but thats how I feel .

Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 14 years ago

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Tanyaz

@Tanyaz

Trailblazer

+ 5

Posted: 14 years ago

#110

Originally posted by: Tulsey

Since Archana got married to Manav, she has lost herself in Manav. If she can't see anyone other than Manav, then it is her wish. Solu trying to settle her daughter is only causing grief at large for her and everyone around. A big monster has been created under the disguise of Jay. Just wait how she will fall into pieces when she finds out that even Satish has deceived her.

Oh God , that would be dreadful . The day she will find out that Satish did this to her , I think Archcna will go into a shock .This was one man who always stood by her , even more than Manav .

Everyone has let this girl down ...it's terrible .

And more than Manav I am shocked that Satish knows exactly what sort of a person Jaywant is , still he is letting Archu stay engaged with him . Manav is a different guy , when his own sister was getting abused in her marriage he went and got slapped and insulted but did not bring his sister back home .

Satish is an educated man with good connections . he can help Archana escape a potential disaster . he knows that Jaywant cheated her into signing a paper she would never sign otherwise .

Much more than Manav ,Satish ahs disappointed me by not thinking about Archana ...

After all that has happened , I do not expect anything from Manav for Archana but I do wish that Satish will tell her the reality of her fiance soon....

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