Decency and its cost - Page 3

goblue, you have drawn attention to a very important issue. characters like archana are ideals. they remind us of the importance of being good without expecting any returns. manav and archana are totally selfless, and that's why it's difficult, at times, to believe in them. yet that's the reason we love them. theother characters show different shades of goodness or evil, acting as foils for the main leads, and posing the eternal question; how to be perfectly good in an imperfect world? the reason why viewers can sometimes find them irritating is because of the melodramatic plot and its run-of-the-mill presentation, which can take away from the beauty of the core message.

But why can't good and decent people win ??

Originally posted by: Tanyaz

But why can't good and decent people win ??

I remeber this movie Khosla ka Ghosla . The main protagonist was one shareef and a good man but he won over the big time gunda in in the end . Made a complete fool of that gunda .

I loved the movie so much , I took it over to my Uncle's house to show him . He saw it and said that he didn't like it . When I asked why ??

He said , ' No way can such a shreef man win from a gunda like this ' . I had a long debate with him that times have changed and he should start thinking differently .

But some people really has a set mind ...

The writers of Pavitra Rishta are like that too .

For them Manav and Archana have to suffer because they are good people...🤔

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Yep,I agree with KoolDi and that fire in the belly she has is what this show needs👍🏼

Well we can only see such manipulative ppl benefiting in these shows anyways...and all Archu gets for her decency is a bucket full of tears

Thanks for some super thoughtful posts. Kools, and Taran I bow to your wisdom, you two sure make great debaters . Tanya I have always seen you as the staunchest supporter of Archana and such loyalty, WOW!

When i started this topic, I was not even aware that the CVs were positioning this as story of losers. that is so pathetic, if you have to make story of loosers at least make them a victim of something that is not in their control like a natural calamity. this is just lousy and shows the looser that the CVs in fact are.

Large percentage of stories in this world eventually do revolve around Good suffering but ultimately winning over the evil. The human spirit needs to believe that good will prevail or else how will a common person get the spirit of fighting against all odds. The good may be the underdog but it still should win the game. Of course, there are setbacks but good must prevail.

The Story of Bhishma that Kools wrote points to the limitations of good. But inspite of all the chaos that happened, ultimately Krishna had to intervene and support and motivate the Pandavas to Win. Poor Bhishma, became helpless with choices that he made. But the world still respects him for the discipline, loyalty to his cause ie his duty. that is not easy at all and that's why there are very few Bhishma in this world and multitudes of Pandav and Kauravs.

Great discussion my friends, keep it going.. take care

Hai goblue. It was a Nice and a Thoughtful post from you. And soon I will post my thoughts on it as i am leaving now.

@ Taran and kool

Excellent and very informative posts. Don't have very in depth knowledge on Mahabharat but can comment on PR atleast :)

@Kool

Archu's divorce was unecessary . She did not take divorce coz she was suffering domestic abuse , marital rape , bigamy , impotency on husbands part . She took it simply coz her husband had given his word to a girl . Had she taken divorce because of the former reasons , She would indeed be doing a good to society and herself by curbing evil . But by simply taking it for a personal zing of goodness , she made a mockery of the solid institution of marraige and reduced it to a gudda guddi ka khel . To do good to Shravni there was no need to give her own marraige up .

Archana didn't take divorce from Manav just coz Manav had given his word to Shravani or coz she had personal zing of goodness. On the day of Manav- Shravani wedding when Shravani was gone and everyone was pressurizing Manav to marry Archana, Archana stopped him and gave all the reasons- that they'll never be able to live happily with the knowledge that Shravani and her child were left in lurch, that even if they adopt Sachin's child, Manav would be doing favors (ehsaan) for him and even if they get Shravani married to someone, it would be unfair to both Shravani and her child to live away from each other.

Archana and manav fought very hard to save their marriage but it just didn't have any chance with all the evil minds at work to break their marriage and due to the circumstances that evolved after Sachin's death. Just after ArMan marriage when Sulochana refused to send Archana with Deshmukhs ( even though I agree with Sulochana's decision but wasn't Sulochana making mockery of marriage with her hasty decision and without trying to find Archana's take on her marriage. On same note Girishji broke engagement on trivial issue of visa rejection, why is that not considered mockery of sacred institution. The only reason I can see is coz they were looking at personal interests while in Archana's case she is looking at other person's interest) , Archana continued to live as a married woman and considered herself as Manav's wife even though she had no clue of who was right and who was wrong. This goes to show how much respect she had for institution of marriage.

If her husband had given his word , it was her duty to remind him that he alone cannot take decisions , that this word was given by him but not HER . That she did NOT believe it would achieve anything good . Which is perfectly true ..

How can Archana tell Manav that he alone cannot take decision after she had walked out on marriage and didn't give Manav fair chance at prove his innocence. In fact Manav told her that she cannot leave him and then come back whenever she wishes. When Archana was willing to divorce Manav so that Varsha could get married to Satish then she was equally prepared to get divorced from Manav so that Manav could take Shravani and her child's responsibility.

After Sachin's death it was impossible for Archana to stay at Deshmukh's house with the declaration that she will not divorce Manav and not let Manav marry Shravani. It would have solved nothing, Savita hated Archana so much that she could have killed her, Manav would not have been able to respect Archana like he did later and there would be no end to misery in their lives anyways.

Krishna later told him (Bheeshma) ..............You are good , VERY VERY GOOD , but A Personal promise is NOT Greater than the ultimate good of society.

I think there is a difference here between Bheeshma pitamaah and Manav's promise. While Bheeshma was protecting evil forces which was harming the society, Manav has intend of doing good for society by giving his name to illegitimate child and unwed mother.

:) m leaving too kool.... c ya later