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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Piya Arre at the rate the parot is going on and on about responsibility , kal woh bhi karega . I have to keep her happy on all levels , mera pati Dharm hai , so he will sleep with her and next morning say to Tarun

But in heart na I love Archu . Lekin kya karu yaar .

Akash ur not understanding me . Im not putting Manav in Ashwin's category . Im putting him in MCP category ..........male chauvinist pig category . Good , bad is not question here . If a man is a mcp , he actually believes he can be fair to more than two women . One he 'loves' , one he is only being responsible . Most of the affairs in this world are conducted under this convenient misunderstanding .

Surprising thing is , such large hearted , pure men dont take it very kindly when wife of just 15 days feels shocked after seeing photos of them with prostitutes and go to maayka . Their internal , pure core shakes with shock ...........she dared doubt me ?This trust she showed on me inspite of me putting the certificate of my fidelity in her neck........the mangalsutra? How dare she ? How dare ????

Btw : Even after 10 years if photos r shown , Archana shud question Manav . Who told u 'TRUST " comes after 10 years ? If photos of Archna with men are shown , even Manav shud ask her to clarify . There is no question of distrust , this is simple common sense . Far too much is being made of the trust factor , it is being over hyped .

@Kool,
You are not getting what i am trying to tell,
Kissi ko jaane ke liye ek pal kafi hai, but to understand someone or in other words it would take a life time but u still in a state of muddle.
Manav is that sweet simple sober uneducated emotional fool who dosen't think or act like Ashwin.
Call Ashwin MCP i would whole heartedly agree with you.
But Manav is not like that, remember in the jail he was to a point called impotent.
Apart from Archana he has never ever looked at Shravani in that angle, marriage is only for the unborn kandaan waris.
Trust is when u have a faith that he or she want back stab you. In that case all the married couple would be on the verge of breakup. If the start question more than clarification it becomes a doubt.
Shaque Shaque and only Shaque......
Leads to disaster, just a thought what if Archu would have remembered what Manav did she was a girl who rejected out right and centre, her would be fiance went to an extent to prove it Mr.Satish.
But Manav stood for her and so many times when confronted by savitaa aai he was there for her,
So all these are trust building measures, if u still ask more trust you need to have with time, then only god can justify what that trust is???????
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Posted: 15 years ago
#42
@Akash:After Manav's hand burning scene,Arcu did say something in support of Manav...just bcoz they were together only for a very short period of time,she didnt hav the kind of trust which would have made her stand up for Manav against her own family...It was a matter of time of her.
But Manav was already in love with Archu...he always wanted to marry her.He knew her more than Archu knew him.Even though I could understand his insecurity against Satish,I couldnt understand why he never had a talk with Archu before signin the divorce papers.
Clearly Archu atleast tried but then Manav misunderstood her n satish...he didnt pause to think why wud Archana come to salvage their marriage if she really wanted to b with Satish?
All said n done,both misunderstood each other n both were at fault...but whtever Manav s doin now is unfair n a very grave mistake.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#43
Archana is Manav's no1 responsibility , much much more than this Shravani or the unborn child .
he should never open his mouth about taking care of his responsibilities because he is not doing that ..he is only doing what suits him ....
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: piya007

@ Kool <br>just a naughty thought ..... how abt the CVs show Manav having Suhaag Raat wid Shravni nd our hero thinking abt Archu.....Shravni's face changing into Archu's...kinda face off....wld be fun 🤣<br>Well at the rate the twist r happng this might be real poosibility u know......keeping the audience hooked .....ek teer se do shikaar 🤣<br>



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piya u have given me idea . im gonna make a seperate post on this and dedicate it to u .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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okay, now I enter the battleground.
I have always been in Manav's team. You all know that, I have always defended him very badly.
Even now I am sympathetic towards him. Very sympathetic. He is in a catch 22 situation. He is ruining his life. He loves his family a lot. He loves Archana a lot. Both ways he will die. And both ways he will not be happy. Poor guy does not get any happiness in his life ever.
However, there are 2- only 2 situations where I do not support him.
1.) Sindoor scene
2.) Recent engagement scene
and here the reason is not bigamy, or pleasing savita, or doing it for shravani's sake, or wanting to do it so that Archu wud start hating him and move on in life without him. I am not concerned with the legal or romantic angle that much... ekta's serials make a mockery of it anyway.
The reason is insensitivity. He did it and almost died in his soul, but did he for one moment think how Archu wud have felt, specially when he knows that Archu loves him like mad. He did it coz he wanted Archana to hate him, okay, I try to digest it... but wasn't it too extreme a step? Who knows Archu in her depression would have tried to commit suicide? Would Manav have ever been able to forgive himself if Archana had jumped from terrace instead of falling off accidently? NO!! NEVER!!!
And these are the only two things for which I will never ever forgive Manav. It was the biggest mistake of his life. Tomorrow if they show him becoming the old Manav, (like they showed in today's episode) then I will support him, no doubt, I will again write long posts defending him, but I will not forgive Manav for these 2 incidences cos he did not realise the enormity of his decision at that moment and what effect it could have had on Archu.
And nishr, it is too soon to say I'm in team Archu, as I said I'm still sympathetic towards Manav, but I hate it that the creatives are doing such damages to his character that I really cannot defend him... I mean I love him and feel sorry for him... but how can I defend him when I myself said that I cannot forgive him for putting sindoor or getting engaged to Shravani.... it would be a case of plain hypocrisy... and I hate hypocrites.
so you see... Manav ke sath sath meri bhi agnipariksha chal rahi hai yahaan par. Both of us are betraying the one whom we love for the our principles. Lets see hum dono paas ho pate hain ki nahin.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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What you call as trust Akash ........can also be called stupidity .

See Ashwin's marraige . His wife does have that kind of faith in hhim that ur talking of . She is not dreaming that he is two timing her . Why his wife , even Varsha had that faith in hhim and had told Manav to get lost in the beginning .

Was that blind faith good ? What ur saying that shaque shaque shaque will be rampant in marraige and each marraige will break up ................I am not saying everyday u question ur husbands whereabouts , ask him thousaand questions and hire private detectives . But hey , if someone comes up to u and publicly distributes photos of ur husband with prostitutes , like Ajit did , and police testify against ur husband , isnt it a serious matter ? Shudnt questions be asked ? And if satisfactory answers r not got , shudnt wife pack and leave till husband procures those answers and convinces her ?

Same goes for wife . If photos of her with men r circulated publicly , like dumb why shud her hubby not ask questions ? Of course he shud and she better have some answers ready . If not he can go or ask her to leave till she gives him a satisfactory explanation , coz the marraige cannot proceed by PRETENDING TO TRUST each other .

What is so wrong in this ?

The trust factor harped on in PR is fundamentally very stupid . Trust does NOT mean blind faith or leaving ur common sense aside . Expecting a 15 day married gal to fall on knees and worship hubby like God and publicly defend him passionately is ridiculous . If Manav cudnt produce satisfactory proofs of his innocence in time , it was his mistake , not hers . She was good enough not to ask for a divorce ........it was from his side that the divorce papers went , still she had not signed them . That meant something........that she still had hopes and was waiting and waiting for this fool to turn up with proofs of his innocence so that she cud show them to her family and return ASAP to him . But he sat there fretting doing nothing till his drunkard father did it for him . By then it was too late .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I agree with you koolsadhu, TV serials are preachy and often ignore the practical and rational side of life. They keep highlighting the trust factor to such an extent that it becomes blind trust. Now Archu is shown to be suffering punishment for doubts that would have entered into any girl's head, and that too in a very self-righteous sort of way. Not one person, not even the practical Varsha is shown to be coming forward and saying that Tai, unknowingly you made a mistake of doubting your husband, but you are not completely at fault, since situations were bad.
Similarily after this whole thing ends, Manav will be shown blaming himself for not trusting Archu in the police complaint case and even punishing himself for it saying I don't deserve Archu, I dared to doubt such a good wife, and even Damodar will be shown as agreeing with him. Whereas personally I believe that his situations at that time were such that anyone in his place would have done exactly what he did... he had seen Archu's hatred for 6 months, she had walked out, got ready for divorce, he had heard news from her own family and Satish that she wanted to remarry, that making a complaint seemed only the next step. Add to that the fact that her own vahini came to the PS and made the complaint, plus her mother straightaway denied to give the phone saying she has no relation with you or your family now. Any guy would have believed in what was happening around him.
Unfortunately we will never see this practical aspect in the serial. What we will be shown is Archu and Manav repenting why they didn't trust each other and crying for each other.
It seems ironical that on one hand creatives follow such orthodox and outdated concepts that you should blindly trust your life partner and not be practical or rational... and then they expect us to be rational and practical in the sindoor filling matter... saying don't be so orthodox, only sindoor filling doesn't complete marriage. Archana is legally married to Manav and he loves her from the 'inside'. i find it weird.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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nikita agreed with u .

Although I wud definetely always blame Manav far more . His mistake criteria is far far greater than Archu's . Right from signing the divorce papers without talking to Archu , to the sindoor filling . The expectation from Savita that Archu shud like a pativrata believe implicitly in Manav and defend him passionately was unrealistic and when she held Archu responsible for the break up Manav remained silent , didnt correct her that it wasnt Archus fault that any girl wud have done same thing .

HEll , if someone had turned up with Damodar's photos with another woman , even in THIS AGE Savita wud have beaten Damodar black and blue . So why blame Archu was the question Manav shud have asked his sainted mom instead of keeping quiet . His mistakes start there itself .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

nikita agreed with u .

Although I wud definetely always blame Manav far more . His mistake criteria is far far greater than Archu's . Right from signing the divorce papers without talking to Archu , to the sindoor filling . The expectation from Savita that Archu shud like a pativrata believe implicitly in Manav and defend him passionately was unrealistic and when she held Archu responsible for the break up Manav remained silent , didnt correct her that it wasnt Archus fault that any girl wud have done same thing .

HEll , if someone had turned up with Damodar's photos with another woman , even in THIS AGE Savita wud have beaten Damodar black and blue . So why blame Archu was the question Manav shud have asked his sainted mom instead of keeping quiet . His mistakes start there itself .

Would like to remind you of a small insignificant scene. It happened after Manav burnt his hand trying to convince Archana that he was innocent.
Savita storms in and asks Manav what he got by this agnipariksha. Manav shouts back at her that if she hadn't dragged him away, he would have got a chance to speak to Archu. In return Savita says that it is easy to wake a person who is sleeping but how will you wake a person who is pretending to be asleep? Archana doesn't want to listen to you- plain and simple. That girl trusted a pimp but not her husband? And you are still running after her... in reply Manav says this is a misunderstanding which anyone could have had.. and it is his responsibility to come up with proofs and save his relationship... Savita asks him to quit all this nautanki and give Archana divorce... but Manav says he will never break this relationship and come up with proofs of his innocence.
This scene made me feel proud of Manav, even in that hurt state he did not say yes, I expected Archana to trust me... rather he says it is a misunderstanding which anyone cud have had and he must clear it and bring Archu back into his life. I was amazed at such understanding and egoless behavior.
About the other things I have clarified and defended Manav a lot before.. so will not repeat them again. In my opinion- Manav made two serious mistakes- sindoor filling and engagement. Rest all had reasons behind them which were sometimes justifiable sometimes realistic and sometimes debatable.
Anyways I respect your opinion on this issue.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Ok , i will cut that part out of him not telling his mom.........coz I have missed that scene.

Still it doesnt make a diffrence . His list is far greater . I too wont go into it now as Im tired , and have spoken on this on length . Its not just the sindoor and engagement , they r the frills to his apron . Many , many more ......his lack of ire with Girish for one . If i start on it the list is long . But now i dont wish to start on it . Coz dear I am fixating on the sindoor scene of tomorrow I am so so interested in seeing what he does . If he does put the sindoor...............i wont say now .
One thing good about u Nikita is ur rational although ur very obviously a hardcore Manav fan . Let me tell u , that isnt easy , to be this rational after becoming such a fan . I have met fans in other forums , highly educated ones , who r totally irrational in their dedication . They not only refuse to understand other POV but jump like wolves like cbnerd said and sometimes go to extent of attacking u and trying to get u to leave the forum . Ur so refreshing . Ur a fan but ur so rational , positive and totally respectful of others views . Hats off to u doctor .

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