Heroes don't cry - Page 4

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I actually don’t think Mini wants any more apologies from him. The fact that she mentioned in this epi that he never used to apologize so formally to her for everything gives me the sense that an apology from him only continues to make her feel distant.

What she actually wants from him is his natural love and affection....nothing forced or formal.

This bringing up of Ashok and saying hurtful things to each other in anger is a larger issue that needs to be addressed too, I agree.

But first, they needed this clarification between themselves about being allowed to be themselves. He needed that assurance that he will be loved by Mini for himself....not for the label of a father as per her mom’s expectations.

He also needed the assurance that it’s OK to be flawed, to be imperfect. Mini doesn’t love him only if he’s perfect. She loves him for who he is - flaws included.

Seeing Babita’s recent emotionally abusive behavior towards HS, who can even blame him for not confiding in her 🤷‍♀️....I’m glad he atleast has Mini to talk to again. With Mini, despite all the awkwardness between them, he still is able to express his vulnerability to her. With Babita, all he gets is blame and anger if he shares his vulnerability on this topic.

Agree mini dosent need an apology from him but hs needs to clarify what palace mini has in this house. Earlier they were tenants and were paying rent so kind of had a right over the room they were staying in. With babita and hs married and them not paying rent what right does mini have now. And with hs saying those words how does she feel about it. Babita to makan Malkin ban gyi but mini ka kya. Mini knows hs and babes wont throw her out actually, if she disagrees to them but does she feel welcomed there and does she feel that she belongs there. Will she be able to live her life according to herself like before or will she have to toe in to babes and hs everytime because it's their house not hers. All these issues need to be addressed with mini

Originally posted by: naq5

Agree mini dosent need an apology from him but hs needs to clarify what palace mini has in this house. Earlier they were tenants and were paying rent so kind of had a right over the room they were staying in. With babita and hs married and them not paying rent what right does mini have now. And with hs saying those words how does she feel about it. Babita to makan Malkin ban gyi but mini ka kya. Mini knows hs and babes wont throw her out actually, if she disagrees to them but does she feel welcomed there and does she feel that she belongs there. Will she be able to live her life according to herself like before or will she have to toe in to babes and hs everytime because it's their house not hers. All these issues need to be addressed with mini

Yes, these things do need to be addressed and I think now that they are communicating again, they will be addressed eventually. There’s a lot from that episode that HS doesn’t know including what Babita said to Mini in the lead up to the slap. As everything gradually comes out, these issues will be worked through.

All of them are bringing up Ashok during various conversations....Babita brought up Ashok yesterday to tell HS that he needs to fill the vacuum of Ashok in Mini’s life ....HS brought up Ashok in that argument to defend Babita as having done more for Mini than Ashok....and Mini brought up Ashok yesterday as a reminder that she can’t change the fact that’s he’s technically her father.

These feel like hints of a build up to me....Ashok still looms large over these relationships....they all still have some level of baggage about him that needs to be worked through.

I do think that Mini didn’t really think she is unwelcome in the house unless she toes their line, she understood that HS was saying things under pressure from Babita and went overboard....but yes, he still needs to realize he can’t just say things like these without them leaving a scar.

Hopefully he tries to be his natural self now after this encouragement and won’t resort to such outbursts again.

What I don’t understand is WHY HS is failing as a father and under all these expectations ?

Prior to the marriage HS and Minni had already established the father daughter friend bond ..their bond developed way before HANITA happened

So why post marriage all this awkwardness? Why are they questioning their relationship ? Why did the CD fiasco even happen when their relationship was shown solid

HS never had issues hugging Minnie or showing affection? So why now ?

Did HS really just want to impress Babes through Minnie? Was Kammo right all along ? Are the CV showing that their bond was really never that strong all along ?

Originally posted by: silvermoonlight

What I don’t understand is WHY HS is failing as a father and under all these expectations ?

Prior to the marriage HS and Minni had already established the father daughter friend bond ..their bond developed way before HANITA happened

So why post marriage all this awkwardness? Why are they questioning their relationship ? Why did the CD fiasco even happen when their relationship was shown solid

HS never had issues hugging Minnie or showing affection? So why now ?

Did HS really just want to impress Babes through Minnie? Was Kammo right all along ? Are the CV showing that their bond was really never that strong all along ?

You already answered this question some days back. Babita happened. Lol

HS-Mini called each other father-daughter but they were still growing into the bond. It wasn’t fully solid.

On the wedding day, some insecurities of HS were triggered as well and the rest snowballed with everyone else’s reaction.

HS was unable to balance between Babita and Mini after the wedding cuz he got caught up in hormones as a newlywed.

He technically hasn’t really been a father before. He has some ideas about it, he feels the emotions, but previously he was a father to Mini without the official label. Once he married Babita, he started feeling the pressure of a label. That is what changed.

So to me, it all still adds up. The awkwardness is understandable because of the misunderstandings that cropped up. It helped clear up some presumptions they had. Rest they will work through.

Excellent analysis of the episode by you, Anu! 🤗

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Yes, it doesn’t matter who spoke as long as they talked it out. HS made the effort to reach out and show his vulnerability and that helped bridge the distances :)

They still have a lot to work through....Babita still taunting him about how Ashok used to do things....Mini also talking about the biological connection....I want HS to work up the courage to take a stand for him and Mini beyond the biological connection and these comparisons with Ashok.

Yeah... Hope that gap also bridged soon..

I think what the writers are showing with Babita is what results from a mix of basic personality flaws combined with deep traumas.

Her basic personality flaw is that she’s been brought up with some rigid views about relationships and titles....wife aisi hoti hai, bahu aisi hoti hai, Maa aisi hoti hai.....this got compounded by the fact that she had a failed marriage which left her with trauma and scars about having failed in life .....now she’s caught up in a vicious cycle of insecurities where she is suffocating her new relationships because she is trapped in her rigidity.

Instead of being softened by new love and hope in her life, she is hardening with fear and insecurities....she is suffocating even the ones she loves with those fears.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I think what the writers are showing with Babita is what results from a mix of basic personality flaws combined with deep traumas.

Her basic personality flaw is that she’s been brought up with some rigid views about relationships and titles....wife aisi hoti hai, bahu aisi hoti hai, Maa aisi hoti hai.....this got compounded by the fact that she had a failed marriage which left her with trauma and scars about having failed in life .....now she’s caught up in a vicious cycle of insecurities where she is suffocating her new relationships because she is trapped in her rigidity.

Instead of being softened by new love and hope in her life, she is hardening with fear and insecurities....she is suffocating even the ones she loves with those fears.

Didn't HS once say something along the lines of, don't hold your close ones so tight that they start suffocating? Babes loves HS-Minnie and she is scared of losing either one. So she's holding on to them so tight, one day HS when she wants to be immersed in his love, next day Minnie when she is scared of losing her to adulthood/ her new marriage.

But that's all she's doing. Grabbing on tight without stepping back and viewing the scenario as a whole to realise what she can do to fix things. Plus, for all this talk about them now being a family, she sure isn't actively doing anything to bridge the gap or do family stuff together.

Originally posted by: tk2015

Didn't HS once say something along the lines of, don't hold your close ones so tight that they start suffocating? Babes loves HS-Minnie and she is scared of losing either one. So she's holding on to them so tight, one day HS when she wants to be immersed in his love, next day Minnie when she is scared of losing her to adulthood/ her new marriage.

But that's all she's doing. Grabbing on tight without stepping back and viewing the scenario as a whole to realise what she can do to fix things. Plus, for all this talk about them now being a family, she sure isn't actively doing anything to bridge the gap or do family stuff together.

Yes, HS said this in context of his guilt over losing Imarti, but it applies to what Babita is doing as well.

What makes matters worse in her case is her fixation on labels. HS May have held on too tight to Imarti but it wasn’t over labels.

Babita makes situations worse by fixating on labels and not being able to see the broader picture. She is now connected to two lives, not just one...so there is double collateral damage for each mistake she makes in blundering her way through this.

She ranted at HS yesterday about making efforts to show your love...which shows that she fixates on material gestures to prove love rather than actually trying to emotionally manage situations....maybe cuz it’s easier to buy gifts rather than emotionally manage relationships.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

"It's not Phine"....I can't get over how touchingly Aniruddh performed this bit....ekdum dil ko chhu gaya👏

"Phail ho gaya yaar main"

He was just damn good here (and in general)!