Qarz E Jaan (HUM) #4 - Usama, Nameer, Yumna | DT.N. Pg 136 - Page 119

Originally posted by: pilot100

See this where Nashwa goodness comes into foray.She has always been morally right and that is why she doesn't care now and is going against her own husband because she truly wants justice for Maheen .

I have no problem in Burhan defending Ammar. What you say is right, it is his job to defend his client. Someone has to fight for Ammar too. If not Burhan, someone else would have taken up the case.

But what I have problem with, is the reason for him to take the case and defend Ammar. If he is taking the case just like any other regular case and treats and solves it like that, it's OK. Maybe he may feel that Ammar is innocent to some extent and hence he takes up the case. But if he takes this case because of Bakhtiyar and strikes a deal with him for Nashwa's freedom, That is unacceptable. Firstly because it is not only unethical but also morally wrong. You can't mix personal and professional life. Secondly, BAKHTIYAR and Ammar both cannot be trusted. Incase, even if he wins the case, What if they back out at last moment and refuse to give divorce to Nashwa? I don't think any contract can also be made for such conditions.

Thirdly, how confident can he be , that he will win the case. What if he loses the case. Does he have a back up plan for that?

Fourth, how on earth does he think that Nashwa will marry him after coming to know about his deal with Bakhtiyar. Do you think she will marry him who defended a criminal just for his own personal agenda. She Aldready doesn’t respect him. But now she will start hating him. She will never Marry him.

All I want to say is Burhan is free to take this case but he should treat it professionally. I don't want him to do all these deals and use it for his personal agenda.

Am I the only one who thinks Nashwa isn't a completely white character?. It's evident in the way that she behaves around Amaar. She married a rapist, I would prefer to off myself then do that.

You raised a good point about professionalism, I think Burhan will break his principles for the betterment of Nashwa, going into the grey category.

Burhan will secure the divorce before taking on the case. It will be similar to Bakhtayar securing Nashwa's nikkah before Bisma's wedding. The audience will not know about the deal right away. They will leave some clues, exactly like the Nashwa-Ammar secret nikkah

Nashwa won't marry him after that. She looks mad at him in the teasers, maybe he is doing this to free Nashwa regardless of if she marries him or not. It's still better to be alone than living with a mysogynistic criminal.

Am I the only one who thinks Nashwa isn't a completely white character?. It's evident in the way that she behaves around Amaar. She married a rapist, I would prefer to off myself then do that.

You raised a good point about professionalism, I think Burhan will break his principles for the betterment of Nashwa, going into the grey category.

Burhan will secure the divorce before taking on the case. It will be similar to Bakhtayar securing Nashwa's nikkah before Bisma's wedding. The audience will not know about the deal right away. They will leave some clues, exactly like the Nashwa-Ammar secret nikkah

Nashwa won't marry him after that. She looks mad at him in the teasers, maybe he is doing this to free Nashwa regardless of if she marries him or not. It's still better to be alone than living with a mysogynistic criminal.

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But how will he conceal the divorce first before going ahead with the case. Nikkah can still be kept as secret but not divorce. For divorce to happen, Ammar has to verbally say it to Nashwa. Also from the teasers, Nashwa still refers Ammar as her husband. So the divorce doesn't take place before the case. Also Bakhtiyar is not a fool to give the divorce even before Burhan wins the case. And if Burhan wins the case, I am sure he will back out. Burhan cannot make any agreement based on this condition too. I can't believe Burhan will trust Bakhtiyar

I guess yes, Burhan is Going to just brake his own principles of mixing personal and professional life just for the betterment of Nashwa irrespective of him getting to marry her not. He has now given up on her. He might just want her to be safe

Originally posted by: blahblah131

Burhan has never lost a case so far, that would be a risk that Barey Abu will have to take. It's confirmed from the teasers that Burhan takes up this case.

Why would it be wrong for Burhan to defend Amaar, he most have defended criminals in the past.

We can't Judge Nashwa from our point of morality. I wouldn't go to the washroom if someone like Amaar was roaming around but Nashwa isn't me. She is part of this weird family who get away with crimes and is desensitized to it.

From my observation, Amaar didn't commit the rape or the murder but he is still guilty. He left her to die which is worse. He was also blackmailing her on the phone with revenue p*rn.

Girl tell me about it, I also want to end it soon. Normally, if I get this obsessed with a show. I read up about the ending somewhere and be done with it. Every time this has happened, the show was based on a book or a manga.

Yes, Burhan never lost a case. I forgot about that. That actually makes sense.

You're right. We're not Nashwa. And it's easy to say what we'd do in a tough scenario.

Of course, it's left to see how enabling is punished because at the end it's always that which leads to the crime or hinders due process and justice.

Thank heavens for mangas. One has a different world to go to! Yes, that is why I love shows based on books. At least there is a foresight to expect what could happen and you already pretty much know.

It is really hard not to have gaps in writing when there are 30 episodes.

Nashwa also has shades. She had an impact of being raised in that house. It shows. Another very human thing. It's okay.

I also feel Nashwa might be his lawyer and Burhan will actually call the police to arrest him once his warrant is prepared in a way to save Nashwa...

These are all random ideas. But whichever it is, I feel Nashwa will win her first case and Burhan will lose his first. I mean this is how drama works, right?

I'm glad I was wrong but most of my predictions about this show. It kept it fun. It was so good to see yumna in a place she flourishes in. Pata nahi next kab dekhna haseeb hoga.

But I can also tell you that even without her, I'd enjoy the show if anyone else did her. Of course it wouldn't be like hers, but to me the elders really really stole the show. They elevated a simple and done many times of a living room drama into something worth analyzing, and providing a thought while providing first class acting from certain groups.

Whichever way it goes. I enjoyed and I'm satisfied (mostly) but I also think I'm tired.

This show also made me think how important terminologies are (like a murder vs an enabler or an accomplice. I always feel it is vital to use the correct term and not reduce the impact by getting it wrong). Wasey to we didn't see much of law practice at all.

I also really enjoyed the work of the girl who played Sana and Mahi. I hope we can see both in something else. Ek to they appear to harbor talent upar see look at them. Soo pretty. We need diverse looking girls. Where is the representation of that real life population? That would be nice. Hopefully in an organic way they're incorporated and not in a preachy way.

There are 2 big problems with the script:

1. How can a mother (whose husband has already died) be so doormat when her daughter is a lawyer & self-sufficient?

2. Why Nashwa is not going to police to report against this criminal family? That taya abbu is threatening to kill her mother & she is lawyer, she should go to police & file FIR.

The makers of this drama are giving a very wrong message to people & society that if someone forces you to marry a person by threatening to kill your mother or father, you should marry that person instead of going to the police.

Whatever I share is within rules...I didn't break any rules...I don't bring here Twitter or any other platform opinions or fights here to accuse others

Sharing tweets and VMs is within rules as long as they aren't trolling others and if it's breaking rules one has the option to report or complain to mods

Accusing ppl here for something written on other platforms is breaking the rules

Bringing TB or yumhaj in QEJ thread is against rules and we never shipped them for real...we very well known the difference between real and reel...we just ship them onscreen and their friendship

Wahaj isn't in anyway related to QEJ so bringing him here doesn't make sense

Blaming other FDs is also against rules so before accusing one should go through the forum rules

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Originally posted by: Achelvi

Whatever I share is within rules...I didn't break any rules...I don't bring here Twitter or any other platform opinions or fights here to accuse others

Sharing tweets and VMs is within rules as long as they aren't trolling others and if it's breaking rules one has the option to report or complain to mods

Accusing ppl here for something written on other platforms is breaking the rules

Bringing TB or yumhaj in QEJ thread is against rules and we never shipped them for real...we very well known the difference between real and reel...we just ship them onscreen and their friendship

Wahaj isn't in anyway related to QEJ so bringing him here doesn't make sense

Blaming other FDs is also against rules so before accusing one should go through the forum rules

I have no idea, why would anyone have problem with you sharing vms.

Apparently, being a TB fan would make a person automatically an obsessed wahaj- yumna shipper. I mean, yes, there was epi 47 fiasco n murtasim n meerab had problematic traits , none denied that. But, murtasim until episode 46, dotted meerab n always loved n protected her unlike the abuser ammar who's been established as a criminal from the very first episode.

Just throwing words like "enabler" is not gonna change the fact that he is indeed involved and a culprit in maheen 's assault. There's no scene, no indication to say that he is "enabler". If it's shown that he is indeed an enabler n didn't involve in assault in the upcoming episodes then everyone will agree with the fact.But till now, he's been shown as participant in the crime n he's gonna be called a ra*ist not "enabler".

When I talked about the shippers I meant in general. That comment about Mahi was seen on X. Recently not from here. It was mainly on X.

When I say blue edits I was talking about X. I do not see any edits here because I decided I do not need to see it. There's a block feature. I used it.

What I do find here is the constant accusations of shipping enablers or whatever when we look at characters vulnerable sides. That is not cool. We're allowed to like and enjoy the grey and the villain and the misunderstood.

Also, yes, i do prefer if there is some legal due process instead of a mob justice. I'm allowed to point out that many people do not believe in due process. And people only deserve on what they did and not what you think. We do not live in a jungle but a society.

I'm not here to point you out individually. This is not about you. This is a shipper problem in general across all fds. All the points I raised are things I have seen over the last few years. This is a generalized problem and spills into almost every drama these days.

The problem with the thread is another one. Honestly people have been bullied off this thread. the holier than thou attitude and shaming others morality has been the issue. So, in return one can definitely feel free to point out what shippers do.

That is all. I have nothing more to say

Also, in general, it is the non shippers and the neutrals who face the most bullying and harassment from shippers in such spaces related to drama and fandom online. They defend or find faults in the plot, character and pairing from their emotions and most not from what is being presented. It's literally unpaid PR at times leaning into something unkind. The shippers have a group and they stick up for one another, right or wrong. So, having individual views in that corner while being in the minority creates that situation. This is somewhat of a new phenomena in the recent years.

Also, what is with the bring proof nara? I do not come with the mind to take SS for later use, even months or weeks later. I scroll by. One of the points I mentioned earlier I saw it on X months ago. It really talks about the intentions.... those who already know they'll use it later on whatever reason. Nefarious or not. I do not have that in mind. And instead of telling others to provide evidence and I say show me proof of where I have ever spoken of supporting anything that is balantly wrong or crass.

In the last two weeks I have had four different people (same ones as usual since the very beginning) talk to me like I'm guilty and I need to present proof. I do not owe a single wajuhat to such lot. I think you have already bullied people off. And while I don't want to stay anymore, some of that behavior makes me adamant that I leave on my own terms. Not when you want me to by bullying and twisting my words.

So, it's just for a few more weeks. It is not about anyone here. Certainly not about the one or two of you. Any view of shippers is a general and mostly true reflection of how nasty and toxic it gets. We'd have to kid ourselves if we don't see that online everyday.

It's a very polite reply to what now is the 127th time of subtle accusations. I'm tired and do not want to entertain you any longer. You enjoy your thing and let me be. Thank you.

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