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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Gundamwing

TB IS FANTASY ROMANCE


TB is fantasy romance, I stress the word fantasy. Fantasy has it own rules, in this world for the one you love you can go to any lengths, break any laws, become self absorbed, become a monster, everything is justified in the name of love and no one represents this idea more than the character Haya herself. NM wrote a show where all is fair in love and war and there are no rules. Writers represents themselves in the story they are creating via a character, in TB Nooran is Haya. The writer will not take herself out of her own story till the very end.


We live in the real world where we are bound by rights and wrongs, so we want to bind her character to real world values but TB operates outside the bounds of reality. In the realm of TB Haya is operating within the rules of the show. NM's audacity to use fake MR as mystery box element shows how much detached from reality she tried to make TB. Only the audience realized too late that in this show nothing is off limits. TB is not bound by the morality code of real life.


Characters actions are not meant to be over analyzed, only what they feel is what really matters. In reality our emotions and our actions are connected that is how we judge people, when watching TB you have to detach the two things if we want to understand the characters in this show. If you are questioning why Meerab walked away from Murtasim after consensual sex you are asking the wrong question, what she did doesn't matter what she feels is what matters. If you understand her feelings you will find your answers.


This is new for Pakistani dramas which are generally grounded in reality. We have to ignore continuity in timelines and scenes, do we have continuity in emotions that is the key to decoding TB. When you watch a show like game of thrones or lord or the rings you brain automatically registers it as fantasy, you detach from real world values and watch the show based on its in world established guidelines. The same principle applies for TB.


Love is the most illogical emotion, even in real life that is true and in the realm of fantasy it demands imagination and belief not questions on real life ethics. Murtasim loves Meerab he will get her back at any cost that is the only emotion feeling that matters. What actions or mistakes he will commit to achieve this goal is yet to be seen, but whatever he does will ultimately become irrelevant as long as he loves Meerab the end will justify the means.

I am speechless after reading this Gunn❤❤🤗🤗.....just love love love it ❤..take a bow 🙌🙌......this is mindblowing an amazingly written analysis about the theme and basic idea behind TB...

Everyone pls share it everywhere...people need to read it ....heeba pls share it to the newly created insta account dedicated to drama reviews.

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Gundamwing

TB IS FANTASY ROMANCE


TB is fantasy romance, I stress the word fantasy. Fantasy has it own rules, in this world for the one you love you can go to any lengths, break any laws, become self absorbed, become a monster, everything is justified in the name of love and no one represents this idea more than the character Haya herself. NM wrote a show where all is fair in love and war and there are no rules. Writers represents themselves in the story they are creating via a character, in TB Nooran is Haya. The writer will not take herself out of her own story till the very end.


We live in the real world where we are bound by rights and wrongs, so we want to bind her character to real world values but TB operates outside the bounds of reality. In the realm of TB Haya is operating within the rules of the show. NM's audacity to use fake MR as mystery box element shows how much detached from reality she tried to make TB. Only the audience realized too late that in this show nothing is off limits. TB is not bound by the morality code of real life.


Characters actions are not meant to be over analyzed, only what they feel is what really matters. In reality our emotions and our actions are connected that is how we judge people, when watching TB you have to detach the two things if we want to understand the characters in this show. If you are questioning why Meerab walked away from Murtasim after consensual sex you are asking the wrong question, what she did doesn't matter what she feels is what matters. If you understand her feelings you will find your answers.


This is new for Pakistani dramas which are generally grounded in reality. We have to ignore continuity in timelines and scenes, do we have continuity in emotions that is the key to decoding TB. When you watch a show like game of thrones or lord or the rings you brain automatically registers it as fantasy, you detach from real world values and watch the show based on its in world established guidelines. The same principle applies for TB.


Love is the most illogical emotion, even in real life that is true and in the realm of fantasy it demands imagination and belief not questions on real life ethics. Murtasim loves Meerab he will get her back at any cost that is the only emotion feeling that matters. What actions or mistakes he will commit to achieve this goal is yet to be seen, but whatever he does will ultimately become irrelevant as long as he loves Meerab the end will justify the means.

I agree to this!! TB is a fantasy drama and we should enjoy the show with that in mind.

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Posted: 2 years ago

Go thru the thread for nice detailed analysis !

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Gundamwing

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THEM IN EPISODE 46

To understand what happened on the disastrous night of episode 46 we must go back to where the damage started which led them to becoming the worst versions of themselves. This tragedy did not happen because of BeHaya or Sasta Salman, they did this to themselves.

The origin of this fallout is Meerab facilitating Maryam’s elopement mortally wounding Murtasim and he never had time to heal. Him dropping her off at Karachi was not just to protect her from MB verbal assault but to protect her from himself. He needed some time to absolve her, and he will forgive her anything, but that does not mean his forgiveness is instantaneous. The chahath episode took a toll on him emotionally, he laid his soul bare to her and even after all that begging he still couldn’t get her to choose them over Maryam, betrayal of that magnitude needs some time for remedy.

Murtasim was despondent during Waqas haveli trial to exonerate Meerab because he didn't send Meerab away based on any misunderstandings, if anything it only made him more furious at the depth of her betrayal when he finds out Meerab knew about anus/MZ being in their home and didn’t warn him. He didn’t react to Maryam’s statement that Meerab loved him by virtue of he knew she loved him before she knew it herself. However against his better judgement even before he is ready to pardon her, he goes to pick her up, not for his sake but for Maryam. He finds Meerab indulging Rohail nonsense talk; he drifts farther away from her as she proves his hypothesis that he is not her priority.

Murtasim is now at his most fragile state of mind. When he sees her at the ruksathi he feels no joy, they verbally spar over Rohail and Haya neither wanting to talk about the real problem and confront the truth. When she almost trips, he didn’t react like her protector, he stands there like a statue giving out a stern warning to watch her step. Murtasim the husband who is Meerab’s shield is withdrawing farther and farther away from her and will make a fatal mistake that Murtasim the protector would never do.

We understand Murtasim, but what happened to Meerab why did she lose her mind. She is at the ruksathi because she misses him, has realized her love for him (episode 38,45,46) perhaps looking for a way to confess maybe or maybe not we will never know now. When she touched his arm with all the love in her eyes, she sees indifference in his eyes. He has never looked at her like this before even before marriage, there was anger at worst irritation at best but never indifference. She doesn’t deal with rejection from him in a mature way, becomes angry when she doesn’t see the same adoration and esteem in his eyes for her. Meerab is fighting multiple inner struggles, her love for him, her inability to forgive him, what is her identity all conflicts raging inside of her causing a battle royale. Now add fear of losing him on top of all her existing internal dog fights she starts to unravel.

When she sees Haya hugging him her fears come true, her panic turns into unbridled rage, she is not losing him to Haya just that he doesn’t love her enough to be more careful. When Murtasim finds Rohail and Meerab together he points his gun at Rohail and his anger towards Meerab is controlled, Meerab on the other hand lets haya flee and points her guns at Murtasim. She wanted answers from him for his carelessness however he no longer behaved like Murtasim of old to pamper her when she was being unreasonable, this further enraged her, and she went into kamikaze mode. Meerab in love is more lethal than Murtasim in love.

After he shut the door 2 things could have happened, one he emotionally breaks down on her about her attitude towards him about Maryam about the contract about all the pain she caused him, and she tries to comfort him witch physical closeness one thing led to another, he could have resisted initially but gives in eventually (Gigi theory). The second is he blasted her for all her betrayals and mistakes, said cruel things he didn’t mean like he regrets marrying her or called their marriage a big mistake which triggers her to initiate the intimacy afraid of losing him to win him back and he succumbs to it. Whatever version of behind the closed doors theory you pick, fact is it was consensual she started it and he finished it.

Murtasim said to Meerab that despite the outward projection of anger from Meerab, she has peace on her face and love in her eyes, but that inner peace destabilized once Murtasim became unstable. The inner peace Murtasim sees in Meerab is reflection of his own soul, when he was not able to stay calm, she couldn’t stay calm either so they both imploded.

Loved reading this!! Thank you for this in depth analysis of MeMu 🙏❤️

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Winterberry

Go thru the thread for nice detailed analysis !


Sure will definitely do thank you for the tag 🤗

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: anu41982

Dear Gunn (I hope it is fine, if I call you this way)


This is beautiful, as always. Ironically, this is the scene that sold TB to me. This scene was the third or fourth clip of TB I watched and I knew I had to know their story.

I was trying to remember my most favourite scenes of TB and voila! you have given this beautiful insight to one of my absolute favourites.


I always wanted to analyse what is going on in Mutrasim's heart when their eyes met at that moment, as this is the acute moment where he fell deeply for her. So here is my attempt to take on his heart.


Eyes meet mine and the world fades away

A crushed heart with lost magic beneath it lay

The cacophony of your soul making the hope sway

Resonates deep across my world

Without a single word you say.

You have my heart I never knew

All my hopes begin and end with you

Like the rising sun that spreads a rosy hue

My heart says either all of you will be mine

Or piece by piece I will lose myself in you.

Here in my heart forever you will be

Nothing but you, I will always want to see

Deep in my veins your love will run free

Oh, my beloved I hope one day

You would listen to my heart’s plea.

You are the storm that I will chase till the end

The dream I would cherish despite all the pain

I look through your eyes and know for sure

There is a fire setting your heart ablaze

That only I could contain.

The world might be broken, but I’ll make you whole

Hold on to me tighter, I will sail us to the shore

Love me one day forever and more

A glimmer of hope that drive me through

‘Cos I know that I can never let you go.

Gunn/Anu, eagerly waiting for your analysis hope you have not given up on these two duhs

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Posted: 2 years ago

Today's episode doesn't make sense. How can Murtasim accuse Meerub of escaping with Rohail. If this sequence was shot with MR angle, then its' even worse. Murtasim knows what happened b/w him n Meerub , it makes sense for Meerub to leave given MR angle. Now that they have changed that to consensual , still it doesn't justify how Meerub would have escaped with Rohail.

They screwed Meerab's character , now showing Murtasim as liar and dumb. Horrible!

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Posted: 2 years ago

I haven’t seen the episode but I am relieved after watching the promo.

- Murtasim won’t stop the search for Meerab

-Meerab is in love with Murtasim

- Murtasim finally tells Haya off. With Meerab around, Haya is invisible. Now with Meerab gone, Murtasim is falling back into his old patterns. He finds Haya ‘zehr’.

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Gundamwing

TB IS FANTASY ROMANCE


TB is fantasy romance, I stress the word fantasy. Fantasy has it own rules, in this world for the one you love you can go to any lengths, break any laws, become self absorbed, become a monster, everything is justified in the name of love and no one represents this idea more than the character Haya herself. NM wrote a show where all is fair in love and war and there are no rules. Writers represents themselves in the story they are creating via a character, in TB Nooran is Haya. The writer will not take herself out of her own story till the very end.


We live in the real world where we are bound by rights and wrongs, so we want to bind her character to real world values but TB operates outside the bounds of reality. In the realm of TB Haya is operating within the rules of the show. NM's audacity to use fake MR as mystery box element shows how much detached from reality she tried to make TB. Only the audience realized too late that in this show nothing is off limits. TB is not bound by the morality code of real life.


Characters actions are not meant to be over analyzed, only what they feel is what really matters. In reality our emotions and our actions are connected that is how we judge people, when watching TB you have to detach the two things if we want to understand the characters in this show. If you are questioning why Meerab walked away from Murtasim after consensual sex you are asking the wrong question, what she did doesn't matter what she feels is what matters. If you understand her feelings you will find your answers.


This is new for Pakistani dramas which are generally grounded in reality. We have to ignore continuity in timelines and scenes, do we have continuity in emotions that is the key to decoding TB. When you watch a show like game of thrones or lord or the rings you brain automatically registers it as fantasy, you detach from real world values and watch the show based on its in world established guidelines. The same principle applies for TB.


Love is the most illogical emotion, even in real life that is true and in the realm of fantasy it demands imagination and belief not questions on real life ethics. Murtasim loves Meerab he will get her back at any cost that is the only emotion feeling that matters. What actions or mistakes he will commit to achieve this goal is yet to be seen, but whatever he does will ultimately become irrelevant as long as he loves Meerab the end will justify the means.

Brilliantly said Gunn! 👍🏼

TB neither was a realistic drama nor was logical. This was evident from the beginning. If you detach yourself from all the gloss, right camera angles and the magic of the cast, you will realize everything, from the very beginning, make very little sense.

Start from Meerab’s adoption – was she legally adopted by Waqas Ahmed? If not, how did she go through her life, with all the legal documentation without her noticing the parentage? If she was legally adopted, why did Waqas’ was at Salma Begum’s beck and call? Meerab is his daughter – biological or not. Why didn’t he protect her like he did in later episodes? You can ask thousand questions, but all answers you come up with will defy logic as we know in real. And I don’t even want to start with the irrationality of the ‘Kidnap track’ – even if you disregard the fact that Meerab getting kidnapped while chasing two baby goats (How many kms did she run behind them to disappear from the sight of her husband’s convoy, that was some fast running, you know!), how would you justify a feudal lord who is so well-versed with guns would not understand and sense the weight difference between a fully-loaded gun and a completely empty one?

The answers to all these questions are the same – everything is justified in the story as long as it drives the plot to its destination.

So, the bottom line is this story never guaranteed a logical plot, never promised you to give reasons as we know them in the real. As you rightly put, in the TB world everyone happily unsaw all these, because all is fair in love and war. All these ended up bringing the leads together and that was all that mattered in the TBverse. The contemporary fantasy romance is meant to be that way – they provide momentary escape from the reality, they let us believe the best of everything. For example, I have never liked Stephenie Meyer’s writing style (it has no style!), but when I read her ‘Twilight’ series, I believed the world she created. And once I closed the book, I was like ‘Seriously! What are you? A 15-year-old?’ Once I dragged my non-Twilight friend to cinema to watch one instalment of the series. And my friend looked at me in the middle of the movie and asked me ‘Wait, you are telling me that guy fell in love with a newborn baby girl, that is disgusting!’ - of course, I know that! Note that both me and my friend are in science in our real life, which intensifies the absurdity! But it is a fantasy and as you say it operates out of the realms of real life. You believe what you have been shown; they are supposed to be feel good mostly. And I agree with you, with the fantasy universes like GoT, your brain easily registers the ‘fantasy’ element. But with contemporary fantasy, I think the lines are a bit blurry. Hence, this could leads to lot of confusion in the audience.

When you are in that fantasy world, it is difficult to relate with certain things. But as you correctly put, when you understand the emotion of the character, half of the battle is won. If you try to torment your head over thinking why a sensible, modern-day girl will walk out of her abode with nothing but the clothes on her back, you will never find an answer for that (of course, it is stupid! Nowadays, people carry their phone even to the washroom!). There is no logic to that action! But in the TB world, that is what Meerab represents – a person who is impulsive, abruptly reacts to situations (not responding). As shown in many instances, she rarely thinks through. So, if you understand her emotion, you’d not question her action.

All their actions stem from the emotions played on the screen. It will all boil up to the culmination of their love. Rohail or no Rohail, Murtasim Khan cannot let his wife go – that is the emotion that drives his actions. She, on the other hand is more stubborn, so she will deny her need of him, hold on to her prejudice and fight her emotions tooth and nail, till she no longer can hold it within her.

Mostly, fantasy romance is supposed to have happy endings. So, we are in this ride till their love conquers. Thank you very much for putting this together Gunn! As always, only you could have worded this perfectly.

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Gundamwing

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THEM IN EPISODE 46

To understand what happened on the disastrous night of episode 46 we must go back to where the damage started which led them to becoming the worst versions of themselves. This tragedy did not happen because of BeHaya or Sasta Salman, they did this to themselves.

The origin of this fallout is Meerab facilitating Maryam’s elopement mortally wounding Murtasim and he never had time to heal. Him dropping her off at Karachi was not just to protect her from MB verbal assault but to protect her from himself. He needed some time to absolve her, and he will forgive her anything, but that does not mean his forgiveness is instantaneous. The chahath episode took a toll on him emotionally, he laid his soul bare to her and even after all that begging he still couldn’t get her to choose them over Maryam, betrayal of that magnitude needs some time for remedy.

Murtasim was despondent during Waqas haveli trial to exonerate Meerab because he didn't send Meerab away based on any misunderstandings, if anything it only made him more furious at the depth of her betrayal when he finds out Meerab knew about anus/MZ being in their home and didn’t warn him. He didn’t react to Maryam’s statement that Meerab loved him by virtue of he knew she loved him before she knew it herself. However against his better judgement even before he is ready to pardon her, he goes to pick her up, not for his sake but for Maryam. He finds Meerab indulging Rohail nonsense talk; he drifts farther away from her as she proves his hypothesis that he is not her priority.

Murtasim is now at his most fragile state of mind. When he sees her at the ruksathi he feels no joy, they verbally spar over Rohail and Haya neither wanting to talk about the real problem and confront the truth. When she almost trips, he didn’t react like her protector, he stands there like a statue giving out a stern warning to watch her step. Murtasim the husband who is Meerab’s shield is withdrawing farther and farther away from her and will make a fatal mistake that Murtasim the protector would never do.

We understand Murtasim, but what happened to Meerab why did she lose her mind. She is at the ruksathi because she misses him, has realized her love for him (episode 38,45,46) perhaps looking for a way to confess maybe or maybe not we will never know now. When she touched his arm with all the love in her eyes, she sees indifference in his eyes. He has never looked at her like this before even before marriage, there was anger at worst irritation at best but never indifference. She doesn’t deal with rejection from him in a mature way, becomes angry when she doesn’t see the same adoration and esteem in his eyes for her. Meerab is fighting multiple inner struggles, her love for him, her inability to forgive him, what is her identity all conflicts raging inside of her causing a battle royale. Now add fear of losing him on top of all her existing internal dog fights she starts to unravel.

When she sees Haya hugging him her fears come true, her panic turns into unbridled rage, she is not losing him to Haya just that he doesn’t love her enough to be more careful. When Murtasim finds Rohail and Meerab together he points his gun at Rohail and his anger towards Meerab is controlled, Meerab on the other hand lets haya flee and points her guns at Murtasim. She wanted answers from him for his carelessness however he no longer behaved like Murtasim of old to pamper her when she was being unreasonable, this further enraged her, and she went into kamikaze mode. Meerab in love is more lethal than Murtasim in love.

After he shut the door 2 things could have happened, one he emotionally breaks down on her about her attitude towards him about Maryam about the contract about all the pain she caused him, and she tries to comfort him witch physical closeness one thing led to another, he could have resisted initially but gives in eventually (Gigi theory). The second is he blasted her for all her betrayals and mistakes, said cruel things he didn’t mean like he regrets marrying her or called their marriage a big mistake which triggers her to initiate the intimacy afraid of losing him to win him back and he succumbs to it. Whatever version of behind the closed doors theory you pick, fact is it was consensual she started it and he finished it.

Murtasim said to Meerab that despite the outward projection of anger from Meerab, she has peace on her face and love in her eyes, but that inner peace destabilized once Murtasim became unstable. The inner peace Murtasim sees in Meerab is reflection of his own soul, when he was not able to stay calm, she couldn’t stay calm either so they both imploded.

we keep forgetting that in TB world, only a few days have passed since Maryam’s elopement. Murtasim still loves Meerab but he is hurt. His eyes aren’t emotionless when he sees her. Yes, the usual spark is missing but that is because Meerab chose not to listen even after he begged her to.

I honestly felt like giving up on TB last couple of weeks but today I felt better. Going through old threads, reading theories and reconnecting. Want to make it to the end peacefully.

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