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Posted: 4 years ago

So I watched the Haute bites, it is rare that Hassan and Aamna is on the same page on Farhad. First of all I am amazed that they did a whole episode on Farhad, seems like talking about the character has another kind of audience altogether. And how come this promo has riled up so much attention, the makers will be shocked too, aisa gazab layega kisko pata tha . Hashim Nadim's interview is needed ASAP😆


I think the way Hassan said that Zaroon, Asher were NOT heroes, he fails to see one thing, that Asher and Zaroon were characters borne into a female centric plays, they were part of love stories where the story was elaborated from the woman's perspective, so they could not be the heroes because their own POV was not at the pedestal, they were flawed in fact problematic too (especially Zaroon), but they were heroes to many, Asher was definitely a morally and ethically strong man, he had trust issues but does he repent, yes, does he intend to make Khirad happy, yes, so there goes the explanation, you cannot judge heroism just based on how the character makes mistakes, if you think a hero is someone who can never make mistake and just saves a damsel in distress then Hassan has to understand that he is highly mistaken the entire concept. And sometimes a protagonist is not a hero too, Aamna has to understand that too, but in this case where they talked about Zaroon, Asher and Farhad, their graph and audience is different and they are rightfully morally good and innately honorable human beings, flawed but good, so they definitely are heroes when they are interpreted.


Coming back to what they said about Hamza and Mir Hadi, first of all can these two make it look like that what Hamza got at the end was deserving? Hamza was punished for his and Humna's mistakes, he had a REDEMTION ARC, how come these two never understand the fact that this remorse and redemption means something? We are talking about characters that are human beings for gods sake, how can a hero have no redeeming arc if he has to be remembered? Mir Hadi had a redemption arc, heck he was a lesson, for many who thought criminal minded hot male leads can be glorified, but he was not, infact Hadi himself confesses that if he is punished it will be a lesson for every criminal on earth who thinks he is above God. Someone please tell Hassan that he does not have the understanding what a gray hero is, for him hero is someone who can save the day, and as Aamna said it is not the modern interpretation. Othello killed his wife out of jealousy and betrayal, he was still the hero and glorified indeed, Lago was not the hero even though Lago had no such crimes on his name, just because Othello was morally a man with honor and Lago wasn't, same goes for Macbeth, same applies for Hamlet, these are heroes whom we have grown up reading, watching assuming to be the men if our fantasy land, and none of them have saved anyone in their stories.


Coming back to Farhad, Hassan was agreeing with Aamna, kya jaadu tha bhai, on monday he was all blind and hating on Farhad and today he had to end up with Amna's conclusion that 'Farhad is a silly boy who made mistakes in love and he will repent', did these two read our thread by any chance that they took our theories out😆🤪.

So it seems, like as I had been saying all these time, Farhad is an immature and silly boy, he does not realize the consequences of his words now, he has never acted on his own mind, I have repeatedly said that Farhad is someone who is impulsive and only reacts to his surroundings, his plea to meet Mahi again was a reaction to Fakeera's adamancy that Mahi does not see him that way, it was more like a repulsive way to therapize him, again he is the same man who rejected a woman who was in his bedroom out of honor, it is not inside him to curse or wish poor for anyone, the constant disrespect and subsequent demeaning of his emotions and reducing his worth to money clouded his mind, disgusted him, made him hit rock bottom and hence the baddua, it was highly wrong of him to even word that out but people have to understand that his humane nature had to burst out some day and it did in the worst possible way. And as both Hassan and Aamna said, it is his journey, he is not claiming himself to be a hero, let the journey end and then we can debate that does he deserve the popularity or the affection he is getting.


Also, one more thing, both Hassan and Aamna asked the question that why cannot Farhad see that Mahis is too rich to be his, well this answer has been answered by Farhad himself multiple times. In Lahore, he was made into a beta by Nisar uncle and bhai by Rida, now jiska khudka baap keeps demeaning for being academically poor, he saw someone rich and honorable like Nisar literally call him a diamond, Rida accepting him as a brother, and then him concluding that 'Aamir log bure nahi hote', that line had a lot of gravity, for him it was human vs human, not rich vs poor at all, yes call him stupid but that was his entire ideology. He believed Mahi is 'muktalif', because Mahi was one of that lot too, for Mahi he was that friend she confided for her 'carefree' time, so when the same Mahi calls his class out and shows him his aukaat, the volcano was bound to erupt. Hassan and Aamna, next time please watch everything before analyzing a character, everything Farhad did till now has been explained by the writer, you can call it illogical or deny it but the explanation has been there.

Edited by SteFanSalvaTor - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago

Coming to the Feroze's mention, why does Hassan become so personal? He was trying to enforce the idea that Feroze's star power brings in justification for Farhad, does he even listen to what he has said? Is the audience so stupid? Why is it so difficult to understand that Farhad himself is a character that begs for love and attention, the story is from his POV and he will be the one who will get the justification no matter what, the writer is on that route I believe. And as Amna said, Feroze's iconic projects has been all gray or problematic characters, so people did not even expect him to play an idealistic out and out Godly character right? Farhad is the most white character he has ever played if we only consider his extremely popular shows. Aamna raises a valid point though, Feroze's haters would love this character had it not been him, I mean women enjoy male tragedies where the male is sadistic and self destructive too. I do not understand the hate though, how is Feroze responsible if Feedi is a certain someone, there has been unreasonable comparison of Feroze with Fawad and Faisal in the comment section, unnecessary and uncalled bashing for the actor who does not even know his character has become a national debate now. smiley37. Also how difficult is it to acknowledge that the actor is just stellar in every frame, who could bring out Farhad's jahiliyat and his masoomiyat simultaneously onscreen?

I wonder, what Feroze would say though, they should interview him ASAP, the attention he is getting is beyond explanation now, the promo was sick, and his performance was sicker. Both negative and positive attention is getting out of the threshold, people need to just chill and watch the show, a single promo and everyone has literally lost their marbles, kyu bhai, baddua diya hai, it is a silly way to show how immature and unstable Farhad has been while dealing with his heart break.

Edited by SteFanSalvaTor - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago

I promise this will be my final essay on the Haute bites, sorry guys for this annoying long posts, please skip if this annoys you all.


About Hassan saying that Dilawar agar Farhad play karta toh 🤪. Hassan, is he trying to say that Mahi is only tolerating Feedi because he is good looking? Kya that woh debate mereko samajh nahi aya. Hassan you have watched the show na? For Mahi, Feedi is not her driver, for gods sake he is the man who she knew more as a friend, his job is a driver's one but well, his interactions with Mahi has been all as her partner in crime, Mahi shook her hand with him, Mahi wouldn't dare do that with any vela anywhere right?😆


For Mahi Feedi is her ashiq, not the driver, she knows that may be not by class, but by honor he had earned that place where she could consider him more than a servant. Mahi does not feel harassed by him, she only feels sorry (as Aamna said) and not only sorry, she has affection for him, that is why his disgust and his curse has affected her, varna ek faltu mulazim cursing me, who would bother? Mahi knew that he had an important place somewhere in her life, and she just could not know how to deal with him. I disagree with Aamna, it wasn't her kindness that made Mahi treat Farhad like a friend, it was Mahi's slow but gradual fall for him, I repeat he is the first man and only man who has said her 'I love you', who has went full on rebel just for her validation (he did not even wnat to marry her or anything), just her acceptance that she validates his feelings, a woman has her firsts, first, man, first, kiss, first break up, first tragedy, for Mahi her first everything is Farhad, and she does not despise or loathe him that very fact signifies that she has not been harassed, she felt helpless because she wants to validate his love but her restrictions are higher and stronger than Farhad's love, that is it. Hassan mere bhai, please dekhliya karo show with attention, 15 year old baccho ki tarha nahi, ek adult ki tarha dekho, with no judgement, you will see Mahi's stance too.

Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: SteFanSalvaTor

Love has different stages, this was the stage of rejection, heart break and silliness, he did what he thought was right, but now he will evolve as a character.

Ishq ki toh sirf ek definition nahi hai na

So its a bit like Khani, even that had stages of love😆

But agar OST ke lyrics pe ghor karo, it does emphasize the comparison between love and God ie love brings you closer to God.

In the first KAM, it was his love for her that brought him closer to God because she was a religious girl and he had to become religious in order to win her and her famillies heart (as she belonged to a religious family)

But i guess here it will be his heartbreak which brings him closer to God

In that one he became religious and humble in love, here he will turn junooni😆

Karon Sajda Aik Khuda Ko

Perhon Kalma Ya Main Dua Don

Dono He Aik Khuda Aur Mohabbat

This is the only verse which is common in both osts, warna the first one was all about doing ibadat and sajda in love...this one talks more about obsessiveness

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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: Unique.Sheep

So its a bit like Khani, even that had stages of love😆

But agar OST ke lyrics pe ghor karo, it does emphasize the comparison between love and God ie love brings you closer to God.

In the first KAM, it was his love for her that brought him closer to God because she was a religious girl and he had to become religious in order to win her and her famillies heart (as she belonged to a religious family)

But i guess here it will be his heartbreak which brings him closer to God

In that one he became religious and humble in love, here he will turn junooni😆

Karon Sajda Aik Khuda Ko

Perhon Kalma Ya Main Dua Don

Dono He Aik Khuda Aur Mohabbat

This is the only verse which is common in both osts, warna the first one was all about doing ibadat and sajda in love...this one talks more about obsessiveness


To analyze this show, you have to forget what happened in KAM1, you have to take it as a complete different one, I repeat everyone has their own heart breaks, their own demons, their own weak moments, and any of these weak moments can bring you closer to God, yes in this show it is heart break, and repent that will lead him closer to God, and honestly, one does not feel the need for God if he gets everything he wishes for, Feedi wished for Mahi, he did not get her, hence the explanation.


And the OST does not talk about obsessiveness, 'Tanweez banake main pehnu tujhe', 'Mangoo main aab kya rab se', 'Rog mera badhta jaye', 'bhhegi bheegi palko mein aks tera rehta hai', all these sounds like obsession to you?😳

Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: SteFanSalvaTor


To analyze this show, you have to forget what happened in KAM1, you have to take it as a complete different one, I repeat everyone has their own heart breaks, their own demons, their own weak moments, and any of these weak moments can bring you closer to God, yes in this show it is heart break, and repent that will lead him closer to God, and honestly, one does not feel the need for God if he gets everything he wishes for, Feedi wished for Mahi, he did not get her, hence the explanation.


And the OST does not talk about obsessiveness, 'Tanweez banake main pehnu tujhe', 'Mangoo main aab kya rab se', 'Rog mera badhta jaye', 'bhhegi bheegi palko mein aks tera rehta hai', all these sounds like obsession to you?😳

Jab title same hai to comparisons to honge hi

Yes agar first wale ost se compare kiya jaye to...I found that one so much more pure❤️ In this one all he talks about is himself...taweez banake MAIN pehnoon tujhe, maangoon MAIN ab kya rab se, rog MERA barhta jaye...you get the jist😆

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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: Unique.Sheep

Jab title same hai to comparisons to honge hi

Yes agar first wale ost se compare kiya jaye to...I found that one so much more pure❤️ In this one all he talks about is himself...taweez banake MAIN pehnoon tujhe, maangoon MAIN ab kya rab se, rog MERA barhta jaye...you get the jist😆


Yes compare karo, but after 11 episodes and after understanding that it is no way similar, not even close? Then the fans of this show can also compare the successes right? It a two way sword TBH, I am sure the first one was very 'pure', but it does not make the 3rd one any less, criticism apni jagah or comparison apni jagah.


And again, you are comparing the OSTs too, for me this OST is better in every frame, and yes it is about Farhad, he is the central lead, why cannot it be about him? He is talking about his woman, it isn't illegit right? In Khaani the OST does not talk about Khaani and her brother, but Mir Hadi's POV right? In every show, the OST has a meaning, this show's OST talks about Farhad because the narrative relies on him, I am sure the KAM1 OST is great too, I do not want to judge or compare it, as I have already said, never watched it.


I would suggest just give the show its space, comparison will kill the vibe you know. And did you notice, none of the review portals also compares the previous one with this one, I think the show has an established fan base already. I remember when IPK3 came with Barun, the show flopped despite same lead, same song, so previous seasons jaisa bhi ho, the next ones can only thrive on uniqueness and bigger target audience, which KAM3 has.

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Posted: 4 years ago

By the way @unique, was KAM1 Imran Abbas's most popular show? I jus do not see him having an insane fandom like Fawad, Humayun or even Feroze, but since KAM1 was such an iconic show, I wonder did he do any other show where he performed equally well?

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Posted: 4 years ago

Cmon girls ab baddua ko toh justify na Karen hum. He was disgusted , he was angry , he was being provoked......whatever it is. For the ruhani love he claims he has for Mahi, baddua is wayyyy out of the way...just bec she rejected his love. That were his wordings...tumhara bhi dil Tootega and all....pehle he crossed his boundaries with Mahi...now he cursed her for calling him out.🤢 Bhaad mein jaaye aisa pyar , khuda ko bhi maaf nai karna chahiye. N the worst part is that curse will come out in play. Harr naqam aashiq baddua Dene nikal padega and the girl will forever live in fear that whatever bad may happen to her and her family is bec she rejected a chichora aashiq. Sorry for my words.



Even if mahi led him to believe he is her friend , she never did any pyar ke vaade or kasme or baatein. N she is suffering due to his delusion. That's the lowest low a character can get. I can take.mir hadi or humza anyday over this fool.

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Posted: 4 years ago

Charu I think you’re missing the point here, he didn’t give baddua because Mahi rejected him, if that would be the case then it would happen in the first rejection itself. He cursed her only after he hits Rick bottom, she demeaned his emotions, yahape we are not justifying his words, we’re resonating it out, aisa nahi hosakta ke koi tumhe 10 gaali de aur tum ek bhi na do. The entire context of the baddua can only be understood in the episode but from the promo itself it’s obvious that his baddua wasn’t because he got rejected, he wasn’t their fir acceptance anyway.


And again, cursing someone or verbally abusing someone are very much human actions, it will be justified if not by us by someone else, but that doesn’t make these practices right though. It’s very harsh to curse someone and what he did is wrong, and he’ll suffer the consequences, I think we all and even Aamna pointed the very fact out that he will bear the consequences. However, when you want to crucify his actions you’ve to see both the ends, he has not reacted that way because she rejected his love, it’s because the way she did it, rest everything is already being debated and it’ll be in debate for how long only time will tell.

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