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IFLove

@IFLove

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Posted: 7 years ago

I might be in a minority here, but I m not able to understand y undue importance is being given to the society or the girl's reputation?

I mean, we are living in 2018 now. I won't comment on the reactions of people in other towns or villages as I don't have any idea about them...but Khannas are living in Mumbai for God's sake. Having lived in Mumbai all these years, I can guarantee this that nobody really gives a f*ck about anyone here. Its sad on the other note, but here people have no idea about what's going in ur life until u come face to face. Even if they get to know anything, 2 din baat karenge, uske baad kisiko padi nahi hai, kisike paas faltu time nahi hai yeh gossips karne ka. N here, it is a general tendency of people to accept the people the way they are without judging them for their personal life because people are very shrewd. It can only be marriage of the girl in future, where the concerned people might judge her, wo bhi Khanna's jaisi family mil jaaye toh utna bhi nahi.

N coming to Khannas...they have such understanding acquaintances who don't even question anything after the drama that everytime happens in any function, eg. AvNeil white wedding. So better Society not be bothered about at least in this issue. More than the society, it is more important to check if Saesha is physically able to bear the baby n mentally prepared to raise the child which is a bigger responsibility.

N it's not only girl whose reputation is ruined this act, the boy too has to bear everything. Rather, like that is shown in olv's, the girl is sympathised with n the boys get blamed for the mistake of both. So the boy is loosing the reputation more, in my opinion.

I don't know what cvs will show and I don't expect this sensibility from them either. But I at least hope they don't give undue advantage to Saesha in the name of "What will society say" when otherwise Avni herself says it doesn't matter to her what Society says. Yes, the Najaayaz kids do face many difficulties in their life due to lack of surname, but nobody humiliates them to this extent in today's world. This whole "Najaayaz" concept was ok for the 25 years old times at the time of Avni's childhood, but now if they keep showing the Najaayaz children being humiliated to this extent just to keep up with the theme of their show, it is a big "Kuch bhi" thing, specially when the plot of the story is in Mumbai. This might be happening in Mumbai too in the lower class areas, but the society where Khanna's live in surely isn't this judgemental anymore!

So no matter what non-sense they show, I hope we all don't sypathise Saesha over KK for this reason.

That's completely my opinion only, you all are free to have ur own opinions.

No intentions to offend anybody. #Sorrybutnotsorry!

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Posted: 7 years ago

Completely agree. But in NK universe sab kuch galat sirf ladki ke saath hota hai. I'm sure that given CVs love for saesha all their sympathy will be for her...because she was only 18 and "clueless" and KK will be made the spineless guy who can't stand up to his mom's regressive ideas. In reality it's both of them who did the deed and both have to deal with the consequences!

U r right that in reality no one gives a shit. Koi puchne nahi ayega ki Voh pregnant hai ya nahi, baccha kiska hai n all. In this case they made KK a "superstar" whose life people will be interested in so that's their only cover. Even then its all a bit far fetched. dunno what their plan is...point is no one wanted this track but we're going to get it. In the scenario I'm hoping they deal with it a little realistically n don't repeat all the cliches that we have already seen with regard to these issues in NK and other ITV soaps. And also hope they don't forget that all this is a SUBplot. The main plot should be about avneil. They are the reason we watch this show!

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srinithi

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Posted: 7 years ago

+1 . Not only Mumbai it's the case of many metropolitan cities. people don't even know who lives at next door and why the hell they will give any f**k to what is happening in society . If anything happens too it will be a sensational news for 2 days and die away without trace afterwards . As far as NK is concerned I don't understand makers love for illegitimate children . I fail to understand why they don't see that they can't change the society with a mere show .🥱 and I am more than done with Avni and her illegitimate chant . Like how much years will she be chanting this on and crying over past . When she is having someone like Khanna's why can't she give two cents to move on . It's God damn 35 years of her birth . I don't even wanna take about Sayesha

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IFLove

@IFLove

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: neeraja91
Completely agree. But in NK universe sab kuch galat sirf ladki ke saath hota hai. I'm sure that given CVs love for saesha all their sympathy will be for her...because she was only 18 and "clueless" and KK will be made the spineless guy who can't stand up to his mom's regressive ideas. In reality it's both of them who did the deed and both have to deal with the consequences!
U r right that in reality no one gives a shit. Koi puchne nahi ayega ki Voh pregnant hai ya nahi, baccha kiska hai n all. In this case they made KK a "superstar" whose life people will be interested in so that's their only cover. Even then its all a bit far fetched. dunno what their plan is...point is no one wanted this track but we're going to get it. In the scenario I'm hoping they deal with it a little realistically n don't repeat all the cliches that we have already seen with regard to these issues in NK and other ITV soaps. And also hope they don't forget that all this is a SUBplot. The main plot should be about avneil. They are the reason we watch this show!

That's what I said. Had it been a few months back, I would have blindly trusted the NK cvs that things will turn out really unexpected n unique which will only build AvNeil journey beautifully. But now I don't expect anything from them or the show.

This post was only my genuine expectation from us fans and I have a reason for that. I have seen this fandom to be very united about their love for AvNeil as a team. Both have always had opposite ways of thinking, yet there was never Avni vs Neil in this fandom. But now with this topic, when we all are already frustrated, it will take only a few scenarios like this where Avni n Neil will behave in opposite ways n the Avni Vs Neil blame game will start in the fandom, which has already started slightly. Till now, we all are having unanimous hatred for Saesha, but with this topic, certain feminist groups will naturally sympathise with Saesha over KK. N this will lead to 2 things. First is, cvs will achieve what they want n Saesha overdose will increase even further. N 2nd will be, this pseudo feminism will gradually reach a point where everything done by any girl will be right n everything done by a guy will wrong...which will gradually lead to Avni being right n Neil being wrong always too, n that's what I don't want to happen in this fandom...cuz cvs very easily pick this fight up n use it dramatise further Avni vs Neil track. I don't want the specialty of AvNeil relationship, i.e. being a team always, to be butchered.

Ya'll might feel I m overthinking, but I have seen this very keenly in yhm fandom over the last 4.5 years. Early I wouldn't have compared NK cvs with yhm cvs...but I don't see any difference anymore.

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srinithi

@AgnesFan

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: IFLove

That's what I said. Had it been a few months back, I would have blindly trusted the NK cvs that things will turn out really unexpected n unique which will only build AvNeil journey beautifully. But now I don't expect anything from them or the show.
This post was only my genuine expectation from us fans and I have a reason for that. I have seen this fandom to be very united about their love for AvNeil as a team. Both have always had opposite ways of thinking, yet there was never Avni vs Neil in this fandom. But now with this topic, when we all are already frustrated, it will take only a few scenarios like this where Avni n Neil will behave in opposite ways n the Avni Vs Neil blame game will start in the fandom, which has already started slightly. Till now, we all are having unanimous hatred for Saesha, but with this topic, certain feminist groups will naturally sympathise with Saesha over KK. N this will lead to 2 things. First is, cvs will achieve what they want n Saesha overdose will increase even further. N 2nd will be, this pseudo feminism will gradually reach a point where everything done by any girl will be right n everything done by a guy will wrong...which will gradually lead to Avni being right n Neil being wrong always too, n that's what I don't want to happen in this fandom...cuz cvs very easily pick this fight up n use it dramatise further Avni vs Neil track. I don't want the specialty of AvNeil relationship, i.e. being a team always, to be butchered.
Ya'll might feel I m overthinking, but I have seen this very keenly in yhm fandom over the last 4.5 years. Early I wouldn't have compared NK cvs with yhm cvs...but I don't see any difference anymore.

I don't think fight will go nasty like YHM where they have a thread for this exclusively . I don't have anything to say of Avni . Neil is justified to be angry with her but I fail to connect with him when he just stares angrily as Avni says how she loves him and she left him to protect him and their perfect family . As a fan of Neil Khanna I expect his features to soften for few seconds before anger clouds him as her deceit plays in front of him . Sorry but I hardly fail to understand why he had to stare daggers all the time to show he is angry . His actions are contradicting cuz he knows there is something which isn't meeting his eyes but is really pissed as Avni chose to hide the truth from him

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suger_genius

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Posted: 7 years ago

1st think is namkaren is never a luv story its main concept is nazayaz relation and nazayaz child before leap their story revolving around ashish-aayesha-avni-neela and dayavanti is main villain who make troubles for avni now its story is kk-sayesha-avni-neil and kamini is next villain who makes troble for avni but i think this time avni is not let to history repeat it looks like jaha se suruart ki thi vahi aaker phuch gye 😆 but this time avni will win its sure but here only different is barkha is a good actrees but payal can't act her exprasions is horrible 🤢

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IFLove

@IFLove

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: AgnesFan
+1 . Not only Mumbai it's the case of many metropolitan cities. people don't even know who lives at next door and why the hell they will give any f**k to what is happening in society . If anything happens too it will be a sensational news for 2 days and die away without trace afterwards . As far as NK is concerned I don't understand makers love for illegitimate children . I fail to understand why they don't see that they can't change the society with a mere show .🥱 and I am more than done with Avni and her illegitimate chant . Like how much years will she be chanting this on and crying over past . When she is having someone like Khanna's why can't she give two cents to move on . It's God damn 35 years of her birth . I don't even wanna take about Sayesha

Cvs are only trying to stick up to the main theme of their show just because otherwise audience complain that story has lost its plot. But they fail to understand that along with the theme of the show, the lead pair of the show too is important😒

Story-wise, it was a good move by them that Avni started an orphanage n she is trying to make the illegitimate kids independent n achieve something in life without surname. In the pre-leap NK, there was a scene where she had warned DVM that one day she'll do something that the whole Mehta family will be known by her name. Though she didn't do anything as big, but finally she remembered her own words in the childhood that she had forgotten in this badle ki aag n fight for her naamkaran...k naam se bada kaam hota hai...n that's what she did n taught the kids also to do...very good👏

I also understand her fears about being a bad omen because she has faced those blames since her tender age. So I still try to understand that she has that complex about herself n her 25 year old sufferings couldn't be overshadowed by Khanna's love of 1.5 years. But I fail to understand her mad love for every najayaz child. Its ok to sympathise with them, but how can u love any random kid so much that u forget ur own life n own people for her. Every person faces some or the other disaster in their life n every one has fears about that, but that doesn't mean u continue to be depressed about it forever n never come out of it. Bad memories do fade out with time, specially when u have better moments in ur current life. Even if she is not able to forget her past, she must at least make an effort to accept the love of Khannas n move on. Khanna's have unconditionally given her their love after a few months of their marriage, but this girl is just not able to accept their love for her fears. She needs to move on now...really enough of this illegitimate chants🥱

If they just want to stick up to the theme, bring a Pillu I say n show her as a stronger mother to him due to all her experiences, show Neil as the most supporting father n Shweta as the most loving n pampering dadi. Since the beginning of AvNeil story, that's why they have done, isn't it? Always they have drawn parallels with Ayesha-Ashish-Neela n always showed that neither Avni is Ayesha nor Neil is Ashish. As a couple dikhake hua, ab as parents bhi dikhao...Avni is not a forever crying Ayesha, she is a very strong mother n her baby is her priority than her own scars and Neil is not a weak Ashish, he'll always keep the commitments that he makes to his kid, he'll always stand by him in every walk of life, he'll give good values to his kid, etc. N doing all this, they can keep showing Avni remembering her childhood n feeling proud to have this perfect family for her baby. That's when her perfect family chants will make some sense. Stupid cvs won't do anything as beautiful as this🥺

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Mandy

@MrDarcyfan

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Posted: 7 years ago

I agree. Living in Metros most people don't know what is happening next door. In western society, this is not considered a big issue. However, Teen pregnancy is considered a disadvantage and also a measure of issues in a society.

It is frowned upon even here in West. If a teen gets pregnant it is a "statistic". It's not about all unwed Mothers. But Teens are a high risk group. So in that sense, what has happened with Saisha is a reflection of a teen's poor choices that lead to them having to face many adversities at a young age, and responsibilities they are not ready for.

While humiliating such kids is not the answer, it should not be glossed over either. Because personally, I have seen what happens to a society that normalizes Fatherless homes or woman who just have children without a Father as a norm. It does not create balance in society. Kids do need two parents. Yes a woman or a man by themselves can bring up a child. But that is by no means ideal.

In the case of Saisha, she has done a grave mistake by being intimate with a man she doesn't even know that well. The guy himself is at least 8 years her senior and should have known better the consequences of unprotected sex. But he too ends up giving into the situation and to some extent took advantage of a starry-eyed naive teenager. You would expect a little better from a supposedly grown-up guy like KK! This whole thing could have been put behind them if not for Saisha becoming pregnant.

So if they want to give a message, the message should be to think twice in situations like this. Because sex is not a joke or a game. It is a big responsibility. If you are going to have sex, especially at a young age like this, then you should be prepared to face the consequences too.

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IFLove

@IFLove

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: AgnesFan

I don't think fight will go nasty like YHM where they have a thread for this exclusively . I don't have anything to say of Avni . Neil is justified to be angry with her but I fail to connect with him when he just stares angrily as Avni says how she loves him and she left him to protect him and their perfect family . As a fan of Neil Khanna I expect his features to soften for few seconds before anger clouds him as her deceit plays in front of him . Sorry but I hardly fail to understand why he had to stare daggers all the time to show he is angry . His actions are contradicting cuz he knows there is something which isn't meeting his eyes but is really pissed as Avni chose to hide the truth from him

NK ki yeh toh baas shuruaat hai😆 Even this can grow to the same extent AvNeil don't become a team soon. Neil being angry is very justified. But the usp of AvNeil relationship always was communication. Whatever they had, they would always speak it out to eachother, which isn't a case anymore. But because of this Saesha drama, they just don't have time to show AvNeil's story n Neil is forever silenced by the cvs...enough of this giving cold shoulder now. Kuch toh story aage badhe?

Avni's ignorance for the love of Khannas n Neil's silence treatment with angry stares are the reasons the question of who's right n who's wrong is growing these days after every episode.

Even in yhm, fans loved the righteous Raman in the initial years. Later this pseudo feminism happened in the show n fans started Ishita vs Raman n now since 2 years only that's what the cvs are cashing on...in every single topic, making them both stand opposite. This sensation in the fandoms encourage the cvs more to write such tracks. I had different opinions for NK cvs as yet, but now I have realised, every show is supposed to loose its main plot after a year or so n side characters get the limelight n leads only remain to be the caretakers n problem solvers. So this doesn't frustrate me as much now after having the same experience with other show for 2 years. I'll still like to be surprised by NK cvs.

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Sanleema

@Sanleema

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: IFLove
I might be in a minority here, but I m not able to understand y undue importance is being given to the society or the girl's reputation?
I mean, we are living in 2018 now. I won't comment on the reactions of people in other towns or villages as I don't have any idea about them...but Khannas are living in Mumbai for God's sake. Having lived in Mumbai all these years, I can guarantee this that nobody really gives a f*ck about anyone here. Its sad on the other note, but here people have no idea about what's going in ur life until u come face to face. Even if they get to know anything, 2 din baat karenge, uske baad kisiko padi nahi hai, kisike paas faltu time nahi hai yeh gossips karne ka. N here, it is a general tendency of people to accept the people the way they are without judging them for their personal life because people are very shrewd. It can only be marriage of the girl in future, where the concerned people might judge her, wo bhi Khanna's jaisi family mil jaaye toh utna bhi nahi.
N coming to Khannas...they have such understanding acquaintances who don't even question anything after the drama that everytime happens in any function, eg. AvNeil white wedding. So better Society not be bothered about at least in this issue. More than the society, it is more important to check if Saesha is physically able to bear the baby n mentally prepared to raise the child which is a bigger responsibility.
N it's not only girl whose reputation is ruined this act, the boy too has to bear everything. Rather, like that is shown in olv's, the girl is sympathised with n the boys get blamed for the mistake of both. So the boy is loosing the reputation more, in my opinion.
I don't know what cvs will show and I don't expect this sensibility from them either. But I at least hope they don't give undue advantage to Saesha in the name of "What will society say" when otherwise Avni herself says it doesn't matter to her what Society says. Yes, the Najaayaz kids do face many difficulties in their life due to lack of surname, but nobody humiliates them to this extent in today's world. This whole "Najaayaz" concept was ok for the 25 years old times at the time of Avni's childhood, but now if they keep showing the Najaayaz children being humiliated to this extent just to keep up with the theme of their show, it is a big "Kuch bhi" thing, specially when the plot of the story is in Mumbai. This might be happening in Mumbai too in the lower class areas, but the society where Khanna's live in surely isn't this judgemental anymore!
So no matter what non-sense they show, I hope we all don't sypathise Saesha over KK for this reason.

That's completely my opinion only, you all are free to have ur own opinions.
No intentions to offend anybody. #Sorrybutnotsorry!

Good post. You have made some valid points. I would like to share mine as well.

We live in a world where you don't have any idea who your neighbor is. I used live in an apartment in India and in all the 6 years I lived there, I've talked to my neighbor at the max 10 times. Everyone is busy with their life and have their own personal issues to solve. Who cares about others in this world other than our own family. Similar to you I've no idea about villages, but this story revolves in a city, so I will say my opinion based on that. Accept it or not, we are gradually turning westernized in everything we do, be it the clothes, food or our lifestyle. Live-in relationships are becoming common here. Everyone realizes what kind of relationship they have and that they are physically involved. Aren't all these against our tradition? yet people have started to accept this. So why should a girl be sympathized more or a guy be blamed more or vice versa if it's mutual.

bold - In spite of the fact that I like this show a lot for the leads' wonderful acting and admirable lead characters, I'm now realizing when it comes to the show's concept that this show is as backwards as the other shows on ITV. So far the show has just managed to highlight that being illegitimate is a sin. They are still showing a girl fighting it. Even after 400 odd episodes, the only thing they have managed to show is that the world is cruel to illegitimate kids and the illegitimate tag is far bigger than the person itself. They have never highlighted all the good people that came across Avni's life. The show has just managed to overplay the brutalities faced by an illegitimate kid. They are time and again just showing irrespective of the age, the time period in your life, or the loving family, an illegitimate kid doesn't get to live a happy life.

Well I refuse to accept that. I choose to believe that the world isn't that cruel. Yes it can be criticizing, but more often than not people usually tend to sympathize with them and try to make their life easy by helping them in ways they can. I personally know a friend with single parent who has taken her mother's surname and is now happily married. Did my friend have a difficult life, yes absolutely, I won't deny that, but it was related to the emotional and economical issues that come with the single parent household. I've never seen anyone taunting them or being made to feel worthless for that. No matter how selfish and cruel the world is, it isn't that bad that it would go out of it's way to make a person's life hell. Nobody is that heartless.

This's what I prefer to believe. If I don't believe that, I would end up living in just the kind of backward thinking world that the show has and is portraying so far.

As far as the all the media drama that they are showing - if any media dared to demean or question anyone's birth or tagged them illegitimate, the next thing they would be facing is lawsuits of all kinds from every direction.

Edited by Sanleema - 7 years ago

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