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Posted: 5 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: forest_foliage

For Bani to start even being friendly with Veer, she has to reduce the hate she feels for Aakesh. And you're correct, once Bani starts feeling positively for Veer it will create a different spark altogether.

Sorry Ahili, but reducing hate for Aakesh isn't possible. Its ridiculous to reduce hate for Aakesh because what Aakesh did was wrong. What Bani needs to do is stop judging Veer based on Aakesh's actions. What happened in the past should remain there. You cannot pull them into the present.

She wants to punish anyone, she should punish them for their current actions, not past actions. For her to remotely even like Veer, she needs Veer's help as well, because Veer does not help by not explaining himself. I am sorry, Veer claims to love Bani, but in love, neither we impose love, nor force marriage nor do we take shit from someone for something we did not do. What type of love is this?

Just as much as Bani needs work, so does Veer.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: libran90

I think Veer has more swag than I will ever have. I have no expectations from Bani. She will save Veer because she is an ethically strong woman, even though her brains are on the loose somewhere. So she won't take advantage of this situation.

And Veer and Bani's equation is between them, no one else is supposed to be involved in that. Bani has kept her family out of it and so has Veer. But yes, unlike Bani's family, Veer's family would have ripped her apart by now, had he not intervened. So yes, Bani is too overconfident that she can kill them all, but all she can do is increase problems for herself and Veer does damage control.

What Veer feels for Bani is something that comes from his soul being of Aakesh which is drawn to Bani. But for that to convert into proper love, he has to overcome a lot of his own faults as a person and ignore her faults as a person and still love her. Bani is mostly misled by events past and present and Veer also has not really helped in terms of understanding him as a person. So both Veer and Bani have to work a lot to actually come to like each other.

Exactly what I think and I did write along the same lines as yours just a previous message to someone in the same post.


It’s like both are adults, yet kids. They have temper issues, Veer Maybe not so much compare to Bani. Bani being overconfident.. how true is that? I have been thinking about this for the last two episodes and saying to myself.. “no dear Bani, don’t think it’s as convenient as you think it is” they are Cheels for a reason and have been manipulating the whole world for so many years. She may win, but it’s not going to be an easy battle to start with. Apart from Veer, the other cheels have no emotions. However, Veer is like the whole and soul of the house and everyone has to bow down to his decisions. I hope there might be a good change with their demeanor as Bani is going to stay with them, getting to know them slowly and maybe she will allow herself to be easy on them and guide them to the right path. I am sure she will be the first to find out about the things Cheels are hiding from Veer.


I want VaNi to have the ability to leave the past alone and try to reconcile the difference by at least giving the person a second chance. Yahan toh Bani bus kisi bhi tara mardon mardon main lagi pari hai.Wese Veer has ignored most of her faults and Bani a bit less. Maza toh aye ga when their phase of understanding will kick in. They have so much more to show each other.


At times I feel only Bani knows who she is from the past, neither Jay nor Veer are aware of it hence why the pandits told her to choose wisely who her real support/soulmate is. Jay toh bus fool bana raha hai Bani ka by playing along her and probably will make her hate Veer even more.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: AutumnColors

I think Bani has every right to take revenge on Veer family but the thing is she doesn't know that Veer isn't involved and have no idea about the bad deeds his family is doing.


Expect for Veer the whole Singhania are horrible people and deserves a brutal death. If it wasn't for Veer they would have attack Bani.

I beg to differ, but first Bani needs to get a grip on herself and use her mind. She is a blot in the name of a Naagin and she has no proper agenda or plan whatsoever. All she has is rage. And her reasons for revenge are hollow.

- Revenge for Noor? - Is she still in this list?

- Revenge for Past - Why? Did she not kill Aakesh?

- Revenge for Jai - Why? He is returning in a few days. And then what? Teer died uselessly

- Revenge for Mom - Oh wait, she doesn't know yet.

Shukla, Balwant and Pawan, definitely deserve death for all that they have done over the years. But the others are just pushed around by them, like Tapish or are conditioned to believe that what they do is right, without remorse or guilt - like Ponky, Monil, and Daksh. Daksh still has some brains, the other two have none.

And sabse clueless living in a criminal family is Veer, which is very hard to digest.

So yes, call me biased, but except the senior Cheels, I believe the junior cheels deserve a fair chance as much as Veer.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: libran90

I beg to differ, but first Bani needs to get a grip on herself and use her mind. She is a blot in the name of a Naagin and she has no proper agenda or plan whatsoever. All she has is rage. And her reasons for revenge are hollow.

- Revenge for Noor? - Is she still in this list?

- Revenge for Past - Why? Did she not kill Aakesh?

- Revenge for Jai - Why? He is returning in a few days. And then what? Teer died uselessly

- Revenge for Mom - Oh wait, she doesn't know yet.

Shukla, Balwant and Pawan, definitely deserve death for all that they have done over the years. But the others are just pushed around by them, like Tapish or are conditioned to believe that what they do is right, without remorse or guilt - like Ponky, Monil, and Daksh. Daksh still has some brains, the other two have none.

And sabse clueless living in a criminal family is Veer, which is very hard to digest.

So yes, call me biased, but except the senior Cheels, I believe the junior cheels deserve a fair chance as much as Veer.

Of course, she needs to use her brains but I don't blame her at all for what she's doing. I think she's justified in her place, let's not forget the Singhanias are human trafficking as well. She did save a few girls from them. Veer wanting to take Teer revenge is justified but it should also be hard for him to digest a normal person like Bani killing Teer. He should be having doubts like how did Bani got that chandelier lighting down for example? Veer isn't using his brains much either.
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Posted: 5 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: Manoshono

Yes indeed. She hasn’t gotten a chance to see the good side of Veer. Just because she came across his family doing illegal business, larkiyon ki taskari, and other hideous crimes she thinks he is one of them. And the fact that Veer gets irritated every time Bani accuse him for everything proves he doesn’t know what his own family has hidden from him. I am sure even Veer will be despise if he gets to know what his family have been doing.

That’s why both VaNi will find out good and not so good things about each other. I am sure Bani will regret a lot for how she has been behaving with Veer and what Jay/Hriday has been doing since the Satyud time 😆

Does even Veer know that he has a good side to him? If he only emphasizes that "Villain hi thik hoon", how is even Bani going to see his good side. The only way she can see another side is the love he has for this girl and the rest is word of mouth from the brothers and other family members. Bani could overhear them talking about these illegal activities and Veer's lack of knowledge about it. I want to know how Veer reacts to all this because that is what everyone else is scared of.

I think Bani and Veer have a truckload of things to regret and repent over.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Manoshono

Exactly what I think and I did write along the same lines as yours just a previous message to someone in the same post.


It’s like both are adults, yet kids. They have temper issues, Veer Maybe not so much compare to Bani. Bani being overconfident.. how true is that? I have been thinking about this for the last two episodes and saying to myself.. “no dear Bani, don’t think it’s as convenient as you think it is” they are Cheels for a reason and have been manipulating the whole world for so many years. She may win, but it’s not going to be an easy battle to start with. Apart from Veer, the other cheels have no emotions. However, Veer is like the whole and soul of the house and everyone has to bow down to his decisions. I hope there might be a good change with their demeanor as Bani is going to stay with them, getting to know them slowly and maybe she will allow herself to be easy on them and guide them to the right path. I am sure she will be the first to find out about the things Cheels are hiding from Veer.

Exactly, she thinks uske kaatne se woh cheel hawa ho jayenge. Sirf badi badi deenge haak rahi hai madam. Kya ukhaad liya. Tu to kuch din pehle bani hai Adi Naagin, woh bhi dimaag ke bina. And ye log 40 saal se apna thaska banaye hai, 2 din me tu chaknachur karegi? Ye 2 rupee thoughts iske brain me aate kyun hai yaar? Kuch to apni reputation ka khyaal kare behen. But no, isne toh taye kar liya hai ki 4 seasons me jitni bhi Naagin thi, sabke naam dubaungi aur naak kaat ke rakh dungi apne vansh ka. Veer holds a very important position in that house, and the brothers do obey him, but what I find thoroughly wrong is lying to him about this trafficking business. I mean this is your sense of brotherhood. Haven't they ever thought that what happens if Veer came to know? Does it really matter to these brothers - Tapish, Daksh, Monil & Ponky or they have just put a facade on themselves just like Veer has. The question of reform comes, if they show any sign of having a human side to them, which I haven't seen yet.

I want VaNi to have the ability to leave the past alone and try to reconcile the difference by at least giving the person a second chance. Yahan toh Bani bus kisi bhi tara mardon mardon main lagi pari hai.Wese Veer has ignored most of her faults and Bani a bit less. Maza toh aye ga when their phase of understanding will kick in. They have so much more to show each other.

Veer and Bani know nothing about each other and frankly they don't even want to try. Understanding and all will kick in much later. Bani does not hold any respect in that house except being Veer's wife. Just like she started with cleaning in the house, there is a lot of cleaning need to be done in the men also. Respect is earned you see. She will need to earn her respect as the "Woman of the House", whom the boys will look up to. Balwant is surely not the kind of man to look up to. He is King, and so they are bound to listen to him, but unfortunately Bani is also the next Queen to the Cheels, so she has to show what this Queen is made of.

At times I feel only Bani knows who she is from the past, neither Jay nor Veer are aware of it hence why the pandits told her to choose wisely who her real support/soulmate is. Jay toh bus fool bana raha hai Bani ka by playing along her and probably will make her hate Veer even more.

Jai has tried and done enough. He has taken advantage of the fact that Bani and Veer don't communicate with each other. But, now they will live under the same roof, and they have to talk and she will get to know things on her own which even Jai cannot undermine. He will try to make her look like some fool and she will not like it. Infact, Jai will be even more desperate and show his own reality, and Bani like always, jaise dupatta chudakar Veer ko diya tha aur dance ke liye bhi Veer ke paas gayi, waise hi woh Veer ke paas chali jayegi.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: AutumnColors

Of course, she needs to use her brains but I don't blame her at all for what she's doing. I think she's justified in her place, let's not forget the Singhanias are human trafficking as well. She did save a few girls from them. Veer wanting to take Teer revenge is justified but it should also be hard for him to digest a normal person like Bani killing Teer. He should be having doubts like how did Bani got that chandelier lighting down for example? Veer isn't using his brains much either.

I have no problem with her "revenge" as long as it makes sense and not blame Veer for every problem that happens in her life. Bani's revenge is not just for present, its for the past. Her revenge is stupid. If Jai returns, then it will turn even worse. I wish she had some knowledge about her mom's death, still I would feel this anger. But I am not feeling anything. Can the writers please edit and rewrite this revenge, because it doesn't make sense to anyone except Bani. And what she does to the "Shaitani Cheels" , the real shaitani ones of course, isn't revenge, it would be justice for all the crimes they have done.

Veer not having any knowledge of how his family works behind his back, is enough to highlight how clueless he is about things, so how can he even imagine that how did Bani manage to punish Teer thinking him to be Veer.

As much as I don't understand Bani's "revenge" story, I don't understand Veer's "love" story. What would have happened if he married Bani without Teer dying? Just flirted his way throughout this sham of marriage. You love the woman, at least give some dignity to that love. He does stupid juvenile tricks, he doesn't explain himself or his actions. forces his feelings on her because he does not know how to handle feelings like he feels for Bani, intends to force a marriage on her, and does not care enough to show his side of the story to Bani. How is Bani going to understand him, if he does not even make an effort?

No wonder, the real villains take advantage of the shortfalls of these two characters.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#88

Originally posted by: libran90

Sorry Ahili, but reducing hate for Aakesh isn't possible. Its ridiculous to reduce hate for Aakesh because what Aakesh did was wrong. What Bani needs to do is stop judging Veer based on Aakesh's actions. What happened in the past should remain there. You cannot pull them into the present.

She wants to punish anyone, she should punish them for their current actions, not past actions. For her to remotely even like Veer, she needs Veer's help as well, because Veer does not help by not explaining himself. I am sorry, Veer claims to love Bani, but in love, neither we impose love, nor force marriage nor do we take shit from someone for something we did not do. What type of love is this?

Just as much as Bani needs work, so does Veer.

I remember that in one of your posts you had mentioned that Bani will find out something in her present life which she wasn't aware of in her past life. The way Bani's character has been shaped up till now her hatred towards Veer mainly stems from two major reasons - first & foremost, that Veer is a Cheel, a fierce mortal enemy of Naags & Naagins. The next reason is that Aakesh killed Hriday, and in the present life Bani has accused Veer of killing Jay. Maybe she will learn something from her past life which will cause Bani to see Veer in a better light. She doesn't look upon Veer as Veeranshu Singhania but as Aakesh. Unless she accepts that the past scores have been settled & it has got nothing to do with the present lifetime equations, I don't see her relationship with Veer showing even the slightest improvement. She has to leave behind her past & focus only on the present. We are yet to see how Veer reacts when he recalls his past life (if at all he recalls it.)
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: libran90

I have no problem with her "revenge" as long as it makes sense and not blame Veer for every problem that happens in her life. Bani's revenge is not just for present, its for the past. Her revenge is stupid. If Jai returns, then it will turn even worse. I wish she had some knowledge about her mom's death, still I would feel this anger. But I am not feeling anything. Can the writers please edit and rewrite this revenge, because it doesn't make sense to anyone except Bani. And what she does to the "Shaitani Cheels" , the real shaitani ones of course, isn't revenge, it would be justice for all the crimes they have done.

Veer not having any knowledge of how his family works behind his back, is enough to highlight how clueless he is about things, so how can he even imagine that how did Bani manage to punish Teer thinking him to be Veer.

As much as I don't understand Bani's "revenge" story, I don't understand Veer's "love" story. What would have happened if he married Bani without Teer dying? Just flirted his way throughout this sham of marriage. You love the woman, at least give some dignity to that love. He does stupid juvenile tricks, he doesn't explain himself or his actions. forces his feelings on her because he does not know how to handle feelings like he feels for Bani, intends to force a marriage on her, and does not care enough to show his side of the story to Bani. How is Bani going to understand him, if he does not even make an effort?

No wonder, the real villains take advantage of the shortfalls of these two characters.

@bold... this is what I has been thinking lately ??

Even Veer doesn't known the depth of the love he feels for Bani.. the pull he feels for her is becoz of Akesh..

I badly want Veer to remember his past

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: libran90

Does even Veer know that he has a good side to him? If he only emphasizes that "Villain hi thik hoon", how is even Bani going to see his good side. The only way she can see another side is the love he has for this girl and the rest is word of mouth from the brothers and other family members. Bani could overhear them talking about these illegal activities and Veer's lack of knowledge about it. I want to know how Veer reacts to all this because that is what everyone else is scared of.

I think Bani and Veer have a truckload of things to regret and repent over.

True. He has been over-brainwashed by his family since the time he was young. He has been told how Naagins are dangerous for Cheels to the fact that an adi Naagin would take his life. He has been shown how to be macho man, how to unlawfully use powers and sources to get what they want to. All of these negative desires were implanted in his brain from the time he was probably born only to realize that they somehow have to find the naaglog, kill them, and change the destiny which was predicted long time ago. However, the Cheels have realized that despite of preparing him for the worst of what might happen to him, Veer is still very normal. He takes it as it’s not a threat, but something to laugh about and he takes it very casually. He is a good man from inside but he tries to be inattentive towards it. He questions himself of why does he feel this way, why does he do certain things when it’s not categorized with Cheels custom. Furthermore, he does seem to be very chilled about their bad business, not knowing fully of how bad they are. The cheels know Veer is different, they couldn’t manipulated him into doing what they do and they know Veer will never give his consent on it. This is Veer. Flawed, sensitive, unusual, empathetic, loving to his family and he greatly fails to ignore all of that.


So maybe once he comes to know everything, he will most likely going to destroy everything built on their khoon pasena😆 He will be so heartbroken from being deceived for so many years. And he’ll think Bani wasn’t completely wrong after all, only thing she misunderstood him and tagged him with other bad cheels. “Kyn nafrat kerti ho” will automatically be answered. That’s where he’ll probably put effort and try to erase the bad image he has on Bani and be selfless. (That’s just my assumption) I don’t know how else he would feel once he comes to know what happen 10000 years ago.

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