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Posted: 15 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: shilpa_11

Ok Sia might not have helped the women in the helli when they were in trouble ..... but she taught them self respect.And i don't deny that sheela chachi did not help .in fact she is the strongest emotional support that is there for the women of the helli. But it is high time for sheela chachi to raise her voice and show ammaji that ammaji is no different from other women..... and it is definitely not the time for the FF team to have misunderstanding and breakup. they need to stay united now and Sheela chachi should know this .

i dont know about the self-respect part of it though.i would give more credit to amba than to sia for instilling self respect in the women of the havelli.even the meekest of the lot were touched,moved and inspired!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: yyyy

I agree Sheela chachi is also at fault...but she was totally against DJ eloping but it was Raghav-Sia who came up with this plan and supported them...so she expected sia to save her daughter and dheeraj from this mess but when this didn't happen she lost her cool...but i am sure both sia and SC will clear out their misunderstanding...

@ poetic
I completly agree with what u have said about villager's mentality.

It's very difficult to go against Ammaji for not only sheela chachi but for all the 5 women....it's very easy for ammaji to remove these women if they come in her way...sia herself was helpless in the beginning but later with the support of Raghav she was able to raise her voice and win the elections...only amba can give ammaji a tough fight.😳

I would like to conclude i have nothing against sia..i admire her guts but this time i am disappointed with sia's action ..i just hope in Monday's episode sia's saves dheeraj and reunite DJ...


amba ke saane tho ammaji ki bolthi bandh ho jathi hai🤣.there is no fight!amba says,amma does🤣
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Posted: 15 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: poetic

I agree with Shilpa that this is no time for the FF team to have misunderstandings and break up. The issues will always be very important but they need to hold the forte now. Becos Ammaji will be coming up with her tricks now, one after the other, with that jhadu and kaala billa.

And yes, I also wonder, why was Ammaji never punished for the same mistakes that she had committed? Mistakes for which the other women in Veerpur have paid grievously? Including the ones inside the haveli?
As for Amba giving a tight fight to Ammaji, I agree it worked. But till a certain extent. Because here one source of power was being replaced by another. Ammaji had her henchmen and Amba had her band of dacoits. The only major difference was that Amba's thought process was clear till she fell into her Mother's trap. The changes that she managed to usher in were important but see, she realised that she could not handle those changes. There had to be someone else who could bring about the changes in a moderate way. That's why she never asked to eb a Sarpanch but asked Ammaji to make Sia the Sarpanch in place. Co's she knew that Sia would be able to bring about the changes. Hence 'an eye for an eye' was never the solution in Veerpur.
I sincerely hope Dheeraj gets saved and Amamji loses this one as well.

a thorn can be removed only with a thorn!!infact the soap would have been really good[its already good]but it would have been better still if it had been daughter vs mother rather than DIL vs MIL..this has become too saas-bahuish!
anyway this is just my opinion😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
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These are my views of the situation and discussion on this forum
Sheela Chachi
I will start off with sheela chachi. She is just emotional that her daughters life is ruined. She felt Sia had taken a wrong decision and vented out her anger. After sometime she will realize and then may be come and ask sia why she took such a decision. So we should not judge her harshly for once instance of emotional outburst. She is uneducated, no money or income to feed family if she goes out of haveli so in limited ways can only help. Do not compare her with sia-raghav who can take care of themselves. Also Sheela begged rasia not to make them run from house and they did not listen so she is obivously angry.
She has done a lot for Sia when she was just aservant and sheela did not know her before hand as a person still helped her a lot. In these times in real life does anyone help others even if they know them personally rarely. No, but sheela chachi has helped sia a lot from starting without knowing her personally. Sheela is a mother to sia and mothers have a right to criticize their children for wrong(percieved) actions but her choice of words could have been better.
Raghav
For Raghav his sister and her life is involved. He kept on asking sia what action she will take but she never told him or even asked for his advice. He kept warning her that the villagers will not heed to her views and may turn voilent but sia may be got over confident on her abilities. She should have called commisioner and kept police force in panchayat while announcing decision. Big revolutions come from taking right decisions even if they alienate people. Imagine if our courts and government get scared of mob and panchayats and start taking such decisions which are wrong and send wrong signal. People will be alienated initially when you take decision but later realize it is right when they annalze in long term. But currently our politicians are doing what sia has done to save her post of sarpanch. So Raghav has become obivously angry. She did not take his advice and they could have taken some other way of resolving issue.
The very fact that she helped them run and said in panchayat that they commited wrong is a grave crime. Then why did she help them run.
Both she and raghav not have guts in front of panchayat to openly declare that they helped DJ to run. What will happen if DJ had opened their mouth and said Rasia help them run, they did not want to run in the first place? This is a grave crime on part of Rasia.
Sia
Sia has two options now
Once call police and free dheeraj and take them to delhi and get them married
Second Raghav secretly frees Dheeraj and takes DJ to delhi and marries them and comes and takes blame for them running.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#45
God......i so wish Sia comes out of this mess with a logical solution........wud love to see the reactions of all including Raghav & Chachi...........but unfortunately in CVs pe bharosa nahi kar sakte 😡
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Posted: 15 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: harshajkarthik

a thorn can be removed only with a thorn!!infact the soap would have been really good[its already good]but it would have been better still if it had been daughter vs mother rather than DIL vs MIL..this has become too saas-bahuish!

anyway this is just my opinion😊

Thanks for your opinion.
And I will stand by my opinion.
If this is the way the entire world functioned, I wonder what why is the peace issue gaining so much significance? For any situation, I would prefer the long-term solution, rather than a temporary short term solution.
Ambas ways were short-term. But heck, why does one even care?
And it was never a case of a Mother against a daughter and vice versa. SO it would pay not to be confused about the very basics.
Edited by poetic - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: myviewprem

These are my views of the situation and discussion on this forum

Sheela Chachi
I will start off with sheela chachi. She is just emotional that her daughters life is ruined. She felt Sia had taken a wrong decision and vented out her anger. After sometime she will realize and then may be come and ask sia why she took such a decision. So we should not judge her harshly for once instance of emotional outburst. She is uneducated, no money or income to feed family if she goes out of haveli so in limited ways can only help. Do not compare her with sia-raghav who can take care of themselves. Also Sheela begged rasia not to make them run from house and they did not listen so she is obivously angry.
She has done a lot for Sia when she was just aservant and sheela did not know her before hand as a person still helped her a lot. In these times in real life does anyone help others even if they know them personally rarely. No, but sheela chachi has helped sia a lot from starting without knowing her personally. Sheela is a mother to sia and mothers have a right to criticize their children for wrong(percieved) actions but her choice of words could have been better.
Raghav
For Raghav his sister and her life is involved. He kept on asking sia what action she will take but she never told him or even asked for his advice. He kept warning her that the villagers will not heed to her views and may turn voilent but sia may be got over confident on her abilities. She should have called commisioner and kept police force in panchayat while announcing decision. Big revolutions come from taking right decisions even if they alienate people. Imagine if our courts and government get scared of mob and panchayats and start taking such decisions which are wrong and send wrong signal. People will be alienated initially when you take decision but later realize it is right when they annalze in long term. But currently our politicians are doing what sia has done to save her post of sarpanch. So Raghav has become obivously angry. She did not take his advice and they could have taken some other way of resolving issue.
The very fact that she helped them run and said in panchayat that they commited wrong is a grave crime. Then why did she help them run.
Both she and raghav not have guts in front of panchayat to openly declare that they helped DJ to run. What will happen if DJ had opened their mouth and said Rasia help them run, they did not want to run in the first place? This is a grave crime on part of Rasia.
Sia
Sia has two options now
Once call police and free dheeraj and take them to delhi and get them married
Second Raghav secretly frees Dheeraj and takes DJ to delhi and marries them and comes and takes blame for them running.

Sometimes I wonder why it is always - Sia should do this and do that.
While the others are oh-so-practical but so-helpless to do something correct once in a while.
I have given the benefit of doubt to Sheela Chachi but I will stand by it that she shouldn't have cursed. What wrong one does in life always comes back to the children.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I don't agree that amba's ways were short term....she was the only one who gave ammaji nightmares,showed her sons their right position,who took intiative to change FF position in the haveli,gave them the strength to fight ..she was planning to change veerpur's face by appointing sia as mukhiya.

Sia till now hasn't done any such things...till now she just speaks about injustice done to women.

When we are angry we end up saying things we shouldn't say but later we realize our mistake...sheela chachi is going through the same phase..remember even sia said a lot to raghav during santosh issue without realizing his real intentions.


Edited by yyyy - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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LOL,
AMba's means were not gonna be long lasting that she even realised. Otherwise she wouldn't have asked Ammaji to step down as Sarpanch and pass on the legacy to Sia. Amba was pretty smart to realise what Veerpur needed and it definitely did not need Amba.
AMba's rule inside the haveli was one of terror - the guys did everything but they were forced to, they didn't do anything willingly. So i guess can't say what changes it brought to the other people. The women would of cousre welcome since Amba was for them, inside the haveli.
And if Sia has really done nothing, I wonder where we are headed with this one. The CVs are such fools.
Anyway, I enjoyed the Amba track as well so no regrets from my end.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: poetic

Thanks for your opinion.
And I will stand by my opinion.
If this is the way the entire world functioned, I wonder what why is the peace issue gaining so much significance? For any situation, I would prefer the long-term solution, rather than a temporary short term solution.
Ambas ways were short-term. But heck, why does one even care?
And it was never a case of a Mother against a daughter and vice versa. SO it would pay not to be confused about the very basics.

though the principle of peace is very good,its an ideal principle.doesnt work all the time.
yes,i know that amba wasnt against her mother as such.she just hated her for dumping her at birth.they are short term no doubt.and no,i dont want the same amba back.
i would rather have an amba who fights against ammaji for the sake of the women in a way that sia does.now its too late for modifications in the show.they should have brought amba long time back.
peace is possible only if both the sides are ready to give in.when one side is anti-peace,it will only remain a dream
Edited by harshajkarthik - 15 years ago

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