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Posted: 13 years ago
#51
Heya again Sonali!

You might not remember how I popped in a couple weeks ago, and then went MIA again - but anyway, I finally caught up with major bits of MB as a show - plus the finale week, and now your posts too.

Echoing everyone from Team IMV (which to me is synonymous with Team MB, really) the finale was a let down. It was literally like wiping the slate clean of the months that had been telecast, the layers to IMV's character suddenly all demolished, and what we get in return is a version of this character which almost sucks (excuse my language) a tad more than the original Ishwar. More perhaps, because we know the potential it had touched and sustained. The finale was like we were expected to assume and absorb that the months in between never happened. They might as well have never transformed Ishwar to IMV, if we were going to get the same loser back, sans his motivation to fight and become something too! This Ishwar is the too good to be humanly true version, and the only appeal in 'Ishwar' his anguish which raised him from ground zero is also done away with - why would anyone, anyone at all, wish to find IMV razed down to this?

Frankly, I didn't have enough time, and maybe even heart, to get as attached to this show as some of you. But I know exactly what getting attached to something 'genuinely another class' is like - and the finale just left a distasteful feeling behind. Like the audience was ripped of their expectation for high class - whether the channel is responsible, or partly even the makers - it doesn't matter. I would have personally liked to see a peace descending our version of IMV - not the loss of his rich layers. He's been shown as a character that has gone on and on relentlessly in pursuit of construction to destruct the anguish, to destroy all that he considers has wronged him! But what he manages to build up in the process, what he manages to attain - not just in material and assets, but in terms of that keen acumen for life, his rationality to look at things when they aren't touching sore chords within him - basically his evolution as a character and person - there was no need to do away with any of it. I would have thought that Devaki alone would be able to give him that peace, the peace he has unknowingly sought out in vain for years and years - the peace which would calm the revenge in him, so what would remain is the wizened IMV, with a heart more close to Ishwar's!

Unfortunately, that did not happen. And no offense to lovers of any other characters, but without a rightfully deserved proper end met out to the central protagonist and his key to revival and reform, Devaki - how can an end be happy and wholesome, whatever else wrong is righted, or not?! Meh!

It was good finding out a creation like IMV on TV - although I have maintained there's tons in this show which could have done a whole lot better - but I suppose it all ends with having to live in pretense of not having seen that finale.

Aah, maybe I just added my long banter of the same grumbling that has already done several rounds on this forum - but as someone who had caught up on the show so late, and at such a crash course speed - I felt I owed this one full and final comment.

All that aside - reading your posts has been very interesting Sonali - thank you for sticking around and doing them up 👏 The first reason I even started watching the show, was after reading a handful of your threads =) So take that for yourself, you did infuse that spirit of love for the show on this forum, enough to intrigue sheer outsiders like me =)

Nuf' said!

xx
JZee

*edit* fixed typos, ishh!
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Posted: 13 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: ssshhh

Sonali it was whn dey showed S nd Vo using d elevator tht dis thought struck me, dat using d elevator was only d prerogative of IMV nd dat IMV would see it as a violation. Nd I realised d significance of d elevator vis-a-vis IMV.😊


why do I feel like we had talked abt this in yer ref to the mice at play wen the cat's away😆 sadly enough w/e the reason the mice won and the cat wasnt even given a respectful end.. sigh.. yup lil things the elevator was integral part of being IMV.. it was his lil cave.. where he cld enter and live in isolation.. I wld have loved to see him take tht very elevator in to his room when he retired b4 the pistol scene.. which I strongly believe now is IMVs END.. and MBs end.. coz I cant lap up the rest as much as I try.. I just CANT.. MB cant end like this for me.. MB was synonymous to IMV.. and I cant take one scene beyond IMVs death.. so I have erased the pretentious joy and only take the coin scene btw him and D along as just a corollary.. thts it..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: JZephyr

Heya again Sonali!


You might not remember how I popped in a couple weeks ago, and then went MIA again - but anyway, I finally caught up with major bits of MB as a show - plus the finale week, and now your posts too.

Echoing everyone from Team IMV (which to me is synonymous with Team MB, really) the finale was a let down. It was literally like wiping the slate clean of the months that had been telecast, the layers to IMV's character suddenly all demolished, and what we get in return is a version of this character which almost sucks (excuse my language) a tad more than the original Ishwar. More perhaps, because we know the potential it had touched and sustained. The finale was like we were expected to assume and absorb that the months in between never happened. They might as well have never transformed Ishwar to IMV, if we were going to get the same loser back, sans his motivation to fight and become something too! This Ishwar is the too good to be humanly true version, and the only appeal in 'Ishwar' his anguish which raised him from ground zero is also done away with - why would anyone, anyone at all, wish to find IMV razed down to this?

Frankly, I didn't have enough time, and maybe even heart, to get as attached to this show as some of you. But I know exactly what getting attached to something 'genuinely another class' is like - and the finale just left a distasteful feeling behind. Like the audience was ripped of their expectation for high class - whether the channel is responsible, or partly even the makers - it doesn't matter. I would have personally liked to see a peace descending our version of IMV - not the loss of his rich layers. He's been shown as a character that has gone on and on relentlessly in pursuit of construction to destruct the anguish, to destroy all that he considers has wronged him! But what he manages to build up in the process, what he manages to attain - not just in material and assets, but in terms of that keen acumen for life, his rationality to look at things when they aren't touching sore chords within him - basically his evolution as a character and person - there was no need to do away with any of it. I would have thought that Devaki alone would be able to give him that peace, the peace he has unknowingly sought out in vain for years and years - the peace which would calm the revenge in him, so what would remain is the wizened IMV, with a heart more close to Ishwar's!

Unfortunately, that did not happen. And no offense to lovers of any other characters, but without a rightfully deserved proper end met out to the central protagonist and his key to revival and reform, Devaki - how can an end be happy and wholesome, whatever else wrong is righted, or not?! Meh!

It was good finding out a creation like IMV on TV - although I have maintained there's tons in this show which could have done a whole lot better - but I suppose it all ends with having to live in pretense of not having seen that finale.

Aah, maybe I just added my long banter of the same grumbling that has already done several rounds on this forum - but as someone who had caught up on the show so late, and at such a crash course speed - I felt I owed this one full and final comment.

All that aside - reading your posts has been very interesting Sonali - thank you for sticking around and doing them up 👏 The first reason I even started watching the show, was after reading a handful of your threads =) So take that for yourself, you did infuse that spirit of love for the show on this forum, enough to intrigue sheer outsiders like me =)

Nuf' said!

xx
JZee

*edit* fixed typos, ishh!


JZ.. I defo remember you.. and its hard not to with tht user name😊.. Idk if I shld say m glad tht u caught up in the light of the finale.. as all of us really lament the lack of treatment given to IMV.. but like I wrote b4.. the sudden 7 days or max 2 weeks notice given to the makers.. costed the soul of MB aka IMV.. every other character and story was given a closure.. but it was impossible to give the layers of IMV any treatment in such a short time.. wrt I wld have been happy to see IMV die in isolation much like Heathcliff.. in fact I chose to see tht scene as the END.. PERIOD.. I cant for all the time I invested to this show and to a character like IMV take the rest of the gibberish in a/c. I defo loved the last coin flipping scene btw D-IMV as it has a huge significance to them.. and so love it as a MOMENT.. I am copy pasting my sad interpretation for the lack of a silver lining.. this is how I see the end given by the makers.. altho I have told myself I'll write a version that I thought wld have been more fitting.. so here goes..

as I see it.. IMV DID KILL HIMSELF.. yes the blacked out screen meant that.. one has to see that scene multiple times.. to scratch beneath the surface.. for a long time I kept asking myself what did D say that Parimita didnt.. and why did IMV get affected.. and i realized the Qs was wrong.. it wasnt WHAT.. but rather WHEN.. IMV before D entered the room was tired.. tired to the core of his existence.. of having to fight incessantly.. when D entered and he told her to go away.. study the face of Shiv Sir.. his subtle exp.. his subtle disapproval and dejection.. the whole frame of tht man was tired...

IMV was a man who concealed his past and sorta put on a mask for the world.. he had too many layers and no one cld see it.. NO ONE.. Not even D.. but D saw more than most ppl did.. she saw the Ishwar in him when no one wanted to give him tht credit.. and why did Ishwar hound IMV.. coz that was a vulnerable moment for IMV.. when his tired self hrd D.. when she showed him the mirror of his love for CP.. That bit when IMV held the gun to his head.. with his red eyes.. the pain in them.. for DYING ALONE.. was EPIC.. yes that very moment IMV DIED.. he killed himself coz no one cld and wld ever understand him... and to be frank for once he was tired of fighting.. for whom.. its not like he always did things for himself only.. he did it for his family.. but no one cared..that scene was epic tragedy.. the pain of IMV.. stabbed my hrt..

Its contrasting CP and IMV.. CP killed a part of herself to marry Dali and then left domesticity to find herself.. IMV lived all life with a mask on.. and killed himself later.. for his family's sake.. YES IMV got mukti coz he KILLED HIMSELF.. Ishwar as I see is JUST A FARCICAL PROJECTION.. it was a greek tragedy.. no one cld ever see IMV.. so IMV decided to show them what they wanted to see..

I had sadistic pleasure when he gave the charge to the 3 idiots and left.. told Sid to paint.. VV got S.. Nirali got jimmy.. they incessantly fought for these right.. now that they have it.. only Sid's tears made me feel he saw what they had LOST.. they LOST THEIR FATHER.. now they have to face their life.. without his hand on them.. they got their dreams.. but their battle with life just started.. and they have to do it on their own.. EPIC.. Thats IMV for you.. there was IMV in Ishwar there..

He gave manhar, Baa, Master, Charu.. the Ishwar they wanted.. but that is a farcical aura.. the real man DIED with IMV..

which brings me to the last moment.. he gave IMVs coin.. that meant a lot ONLY TO D.. not to any of his own kids.. coz she gave him some benefit.. she had a bond with him that neither of his kids did.. what a TIGHT SLAP to all 3 idiots.. they never appreciated their father.. and now he left.. I loved it when Charu told Sabina.. nope you guys take care of your own world.. I was mighty pleased.. the kids went on throwing their tantrums.. now that they had what they wanted.. would they be happy.. without the shelter of IMVs aura.. to face life and its ugliness alone.. now they will know the aatey dal ka bhao.. and love wld see its place in life.. it was a fitting.. I was more than happy VS got together.. when children crib so much for a toy.. the best treatment is to give them the toy and say what NOW.. how long are you going to play with it.. and here the toy came at te expense of the parents.. IMV LIVED his threat.. Sabina did come at the cost of IMV

having said all this.. I still say I had a different vision and treatment of IMV.. but I need to clear this end from my head and start writing my take on it.. which I will eventually.. IDK if this forum wld be active and if you guys wld care to read it.. but for my own peace I wld write it..

I am glad my posts retained your interest..😆 will take that as a compliment.. yes MB may not be the best show.. but i salute its zest and spirit.. for coming around in this whole circus of shows on tv.. and mostly for making a character called I.M.Virani.. he will live in our minds for a long time.. commanding the respect he deserved.. amen

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonali.19281

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wat u r saying is all of our grouse.. VD together wld have been good.. but only with the V b4 his bday.. V wld have had to redeem himself to deserve being called IMVs son and Ds husband..ye V sabina ko hi mubarak ho.. whose world starts and ends with golas and chuski😆.....agree dear. I feel the worst for IMV... my biggest problem was that I truly believed IMV-Ishwar cld co-exist.. and the only salvation he needed was from CPs bondage and the vengeance he had taken up towards life and BB.. see either the end wld have been VD together and IMV in mumbai or VV dying and D taking up Nirali's cause later and IMVs redemption.. even in tht scenario D wld have a bandhan with him.. and third is the end they showed... in this case D also got a mukti...im.happy😆.😆d's mukti.fm idiot devdas & his goli & virani's. but IMV had to die for tht.. in this end as I see it. .the biggest burden is on VS.. their whole domesticity is on the foundation of several broken alliances.. D obv wld distance herself.. the mangrol ppl wont really come in their way.. now they have only each other.. to suffer and love.. what Sabina once said ultimately happened.. she had said I dont want V to live with me at the cost of moving away from his family. .her conviction wasnt strong enough.. when manhar baa left the house everyone lamented that the family was divided.. tht charu lost her maa.. guarav was stripped of his great grandparents. .NOW WHAT.. V has Sabina.. but no PK.. no IMV.. no charu.. Sid has painting .. Nirali has jimmy...ths my?when d as bahu eve.thing was good but vs2 gr wat? but they dont have their extended family in their daily life.. I feel for Rajvi and Gaurav in this bargain.. they hadnt asked for this..

there is NEVER a HAPPY ENDING.. without compromises..😃....agree.🤣🤣
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agree or disagree don't know? but i feel good for 'D & IMV' who got"mukti" fm idiots" may be ( the way is ??)..imv & d was real hero of MB..its big true..but imv ke liye bura laga..i think CP cld be a good option for imv's " MUKTI"... but story wpd vry quickly...(ab end se shikwa nahi😆jo log dekhe)...but my start & end only.⭐️"IMV & DEVKI "⭐️

@sonali...luv u dear & many thanx for ur lov post & qk response.u & kool mb's real ❤️

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonali.19281


why do I feel like we had talked abt this in yer ref to the mice at play wen the cat's away😆 sadly enough w/e the reason the mice won and the cat wasnt even given a respectful end.. sigh.. yup lil things the elevator was integral part of being IMV.. it was his lil cave.. where he cld enter and live in isolation.. I wld have loved to see him take tht very elevator in to his room when he retired b4 the pistol scene.. which I strongly believe now is IMVs END.. and MBs end.. coz I cant lap up the rest as much as I try.. I just CANT.. MB cant end like this for me.. MB was synonymous to IMV.. and I cant take one scene beyond IMVs death.. so I have erased the pretentious joy and only take the coin scene btw him and D along as just a corollary.. thts it..

We have? I don't recollect, will hv 2 go back for it.
Tht is one of d biggest problems, ppl expecting things in black-nd-white...always d triumph of good over evil nd such, but in real lyf nothing is ever tht cut-nd-dry. Der r so many dimensions 2 anything nd 2 just say dis is right nd dis is wrong is 2 over-simplify.
BTW I hv been quite abt all d others, especially V nd S coz I don't quite agree wid U on dem, though I see Y u see dem d way u do nd dat is as loosers. I'll get back 2 u on my take on dem, which actually I hv been thru in my various other posts.😆
Ya Sonali open a thread in CC although I'm not evn sure wat CC is properly. BTW hv been meaning 2 ask u, but wid all our intense views nd counter-views never got to it. Wat is dabba?😕
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Zainab stop lurking nd show ur face!😉

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ssshhh

We have? I don't recollect, will hv 2 go back for it.
Tht is one of d biggest problems, ppl expecting things in black-nd-white...always d triumph of good over evil nd such, but in real lyf nothing is ever tht cut-nd-dry. Der r so many dimensions 2 anything nd 2 just say dis is right nd dis is wrong is 2 over-simplify.
BTW I hv been quite abt all d others, especially V nd S coz I don't quite agree wid U on dem, though I see Y u see dem d way u do nd dat is as loosers. I'll get back 2 u on my take on dem, which actually I hv been thru in my various other posts.😆
Ya Sonali open a thread in CC although I'm not evn sure wat CC is properly. BTW hv been meaning 2 ask u, but wid all our intense views nd counter-views never got to it. Wat is dabba?😕


I know you wld feel different about VS... but I stand consistent.. tht if they had been convincing from the beginning that their love was above everything i wld be fine.. why incessantly say one thing and when the real time comes act otherwise.. and I do know you have your empathies with them as well as Charu and Baa master.. I feel for Charu too but her shutting herself to the whole thing and standing helplessly and resigning herself did not go well with me..

CC is Chat club.. there is a link to it on the pain page.. where ppl open their threads to discuss stuff with frnds.. as for dabba..😆 if you go to the option of preference on your update profile.. you would see a tab called enable video avatar and banner signatures.. if you click yes there.. u wld see ppl have a vid avi as display pic.. and there is a dabba below everyone's post as a signature where most ppl use the creations made by ppl.. I am wearing all my n binis mb creations tht we posted in the creation gallery.. its a whole new world 😆 trust me..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sonali - frankly, I did not care one hoot about the kids, or the 3 Idiots as you call them - paying their dues to IMV or not. Honestly, not one of them proved to be a child begotten by their father, much less raised in his acumen!

What really makes the end very very blotched is - picking on your line of explanation - how he 'figuratively' killed himself. It just did not make sense. The fact that he killed Ishwar to become IMV, and then IMV to become Ishwar again - a further degraded version - just defeats the entire purpose of return of CP in his life, in the form of D. The whole key to his peace and calm and reform was defeated the moment he had to 'kill' the real IMV, and out on yet another facade to exist!

Like I said, I would have wanted him to retain the IMV, with a heart closer to Ishwar's - and that is what D's advent in his life, her existence on this show was supposed to have accomplished. Not to revise IMV's ruthless ways, but to revive in him that hope and motivation to be a better human, while still being the wiser one he had become! I don't mind the kids getting their happy ends - I shall never wholly deny the fact that they each had their own reasons to fight their Dad - because really it was what IMV had sown, and truly, his character was so rich and layered because of how he advocated his 'good intentions' and imposed them on everyone around him. While I had zero expectation from any of the kids to understand where their father came from - duh, the best they could have done is what they did, take their candy and walk away happy thinking they had their father back *gags* - but with D, it should have been different. Like you say, she did recognize the dormant hints of Ishwar in IMV... and she was the right person to have revived that part of his soul again, revive it, in this same person IMV, and not in another facade!

Oh I should quit. Like I said, I didn't hold MB close to my heart, but I did come to take to IMV, enough to be very disappointed by the end they gave him. Yes they had two weeks, but I can't imagine someone who 'created' IMV, to put him down like that. Agreeing with you, his isolated end would have been a whole lot better. This is/was not a show to please the masses, as it never did. Why bother with the farce of a happy end like all Indian fiction? Honestly, an average viewer would only take home what the 3 idiots did, that IMV was reformed, that the good man had won and the bad defeated. *rolls eyes* and that technically defeats the entire idea of creating an anti-hero like IMV!

The final IMV-D scene was indeed, independently viewed, one moment of saving grace. What can I say about the rest to make up for even a part of the disaster ... I know not. Let's just ignore the finale ever happened. And saying that - I shall eagerly look forward to you putting forth 'your version' of the end - please do it, however long you take. And if possible, PM me? I'm not sure how regularly I'll visit the forum - although when I come, I'll come hunt out name in the topic makers =)

🤗 for remembering my ID - you did mention that about 'zephyr' I recall now! 😆 Fingers crossed there will be another forum another time to get together for!

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ssshhh

Zainab stop lurking nd show ur face!😉


joins munira... zainab ji...😆 maidaan mein ao.. kab tak chup chup ke post like karengi
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Originally posted by: JZephyr

Sonali - frankly, I did not care one hoot about the kids, or the 3 Idiots as you call them - paying their dues to IMV or not. Honestly, not one of them proved to be a child begotten by their father, much less raised in his acumen!


What really makes the end very very blotched is - picking on your line of explanation - how he 'figuratively' killed himself. It just did not make sense. The fact that he killed Ishwar to become IMV, and then IMV to become Ishwar again - a further degraded version - just defeats the entire purpose of return of CP in his life, in the form of D. The whole key to his peace and calm and reform was defeated the moment he had to 'kill' the real IMV, and out on yet another facade to exist!

Like I said, I would have wanted him to retain the IMV, with a heart closer to Ishwar's - and that is what D's advent in his life, her existence on this show was supposed to have accomplished. Not to revise IMV's ruthless ways, but to revive in him that hope and motivation to be a better human, while still being the wiser one he had become! I don't mind the kids getting their happy ends - I shall never wholly deny the fact that they each had their own reasons to fight their Dad - because really it was what IMV had sown, and truly, his character was so rich and layered because of how he advocated his 'good intentions' and imposed them on everyone around him. While I had zero expectation from any of the kids to understand where their father came from - duh, the best they could have done is what they did, take their candy and walk away happy thinking they had their father back *gags* - but with D, it should have been different. Like you say, she did recognize the dormant hints of Ishwar in IMV... and she was the right person to have revived that part of his soul again, revive it, in this same person IMV, and not in another facade!

Oh I should quit. Like I said, I didn't hold MB close to my heart, but I did come to take to IMV, enough to be very disappointed by the end they gave him. Yes they had two weeks, but I can't imagine someone who 'created' IMV, to put him down like that. Agreeing with you, his isolated end would have been a whole lot better. This is/was not a show to please the masses, as it never did. Why bother with the farce of a happy end like all Indian fiction? Honestly, an average viewer would only take home what the 3 idiots did, that IMV was reformed, that the good man had won and the bad defeated. *rolls eyes* and that technically defeats the entire idea of creating an anti-hero like IMV!

The final IMV-D scene was indeed, independently viewed, one moment of saving grace. What can I say about the rest to make up for even a part of the disaster ... I know not. Let's just ignore the finale ever happened. And saying that - I shall eagerly look forward to you putting forth 'your version' of the end - please do it, however long you take. And if possible, PM me? I'm not sure how regularly I'll visit the forum - although when I come, I'll come hunt out name in the topic makers =)

🤗 for remembering my ID - you did mention that about 'zephyr' I recall now! 😆 Fingers crossed there will be another forum another time to get together for!

xx


JZ.. what you pin point here is exactly what all of our grouse it.. Kools did the smart thing by not watching this last week and living with her perception of IMV.. i am more hopeless so jumped right into this.. and well Idk what went in to the makers mind.. if this end was inspired from the novel.. I just reconciled saying its their baby and they are entitled to their story-telling.. but as a viewer its completely my prerogative not to digest it..and I shall not.. no wonder I decided to write the version.. and not just of the end.. the most awaited track of IMV-D-CP and D-CP was not even dealt with.. in my mind there needed to be a D-CP rendezvous for D to know IMV.. coz only CP knew him.. yes reading her journal was one way yet it was half baked..so I am going to deal with that.. put CP into this equation and then come to D being the ultimate key for IMVs reconciliation.. yes he needed to let Iswar and CP free.. from his burden.. but not change IMV.. and that will be the big task.. I have to think about how to put it in the perspective.. so need a bit of time to get the tame end out of my way.. 😆 will PM you once I have written it.. and hopefully wld post it in this very forum that became our daily hangout for the last 3-4 months.. and hope to see u around too.. I may not be watching shows as much myself.. but for the sake of our discussions- kools, me, munira.. we may just hang on Vintage MB and something tht comes along.. so u r most welcome to pay a visit and join us come next week..😃

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