Aa chal K tuje mai le K chalu 1 aise gagan K taley

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Posted: 14 years ago
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jahaan ghum bhi naa ho aasu bhi na ho... bas pyar hi pyar paley...

Amen to the equation of a father and son...

For all the machinations.. strategies.. hatred.. vengeance. baagage.. our dark lord carries within himself.. his protectiveness.. his affection for his sons is unquestionable.. saying he is just an embodiment of hatred is trivializing the depth and layers in that man.. Although there is no denying those very emotions have to a great extent been a part of his psyche..

He is a responsible father.. in spite of being branded a machiavellian he does look out for the welfare of his family.. he does want peace to prevail in his son's life..

today's sequence reminded me of a fav song ... sung by loads of different singers.. on a very edgy relationship..

Father and Son:

Father:
Its not time to make a change.. just relax take it easy..
you're still young that's your fault.. there's so much you have to know..

the way IMV handled VVs angst.. was so mature and smart.. making sure he asked this resilient question that bothered him... but when his son tried his hand at euphemism.. IMV in sig style went right to the point.. I 🤣 so bad at the galat sawaal.. there is no skirting the issue with this man..

He took no time to make it clear that some things were still not negotiable.. that woman had none of his affection.. her place in HIS LIFE.. in THEIR LIFE (including his son's) was NO DIFFERENT from what it was..

Find a girl, settle down..

He may have lied through his teeth about the business deal bit.. but he was genuinely honest when he said... that girl is YOUR DESTINY.. so its only good for you to make her your love.. and a part of your life.. like you still havent.. the best part of it was his extreme conviction.. filtering in the statement.. Learn to designate a right place for EACH and EVERY equation.. you married that girl voluntarily.. so ACCEPT the responsibilities that come with it..

I was once like you are now.. and I know its not easy to be calm.. when you know something's going on..

Having lived his own life with similar angst.. I dont think he would want the same for his son.. if anything he would want to get the angst away from it.. burn it out like he said.. but definitely there was no negotiating his stand and conviction.. coz he doesn't see any other way..

At the same time.. if he being in a similar place could have at least socially accepted the responsibilities of a husband, a father.. there is no reason his son shouldn't

take your time.. think a lot.. think of EVERYTHING YOU'VE GOT.. for you will be still be here tomorrow.. but your dreams may not..

He very calmly tells his able son.. that this is his chance to prove to himself.. to control his emotions.. to be a better , stronger man.. to think if its worth losing everything he has for running behind a dream.. that in all fairness will never be real.. only be his nemesis


Son:
As he walked away.. leaving VV in his dilemma.. I couldn't help but sympathize with V..

How can I try to explain.. when I do, he turns away again.. its always been the same.. same old story..

His awe for his dad even in the face of this storm is impressive.. with all the courage that he walked in that door.. as soon as IMV motioned him to proclaim his doubts.. he became nervous.. his eyes lowered.. he withdrew in a shell.. he gathered enough strength to politely ask his question..

from the moment I could talk.. I have been ordered to listen..

As IMV went on with his convictions.. his advice for his son.. all VV did was listen.. just as he always had.. never raising a voice of objection.. it was nothing new.. what was new was this unnatural hint of affection from his dad.. the man he had grown up to admire for his ruthless business strategies.. for once everything sounded true.. sounded right.. for any father to say..

but the man who said it wasn't just any father.. he always had sight on the big picture.. and while VV cldnt deny IMV was looking out for his family and son.. he cldnt get himself to live with the perception that.. that was it.. coz he knew his father better than that.. having lived in his shadow for that long..

All the times that I cried..keeping all the things I know inside..

for once in spite of the extreme greek tragedy song in the bg from gangster (I cld never get myself to like this song for the OTTness esp after liking the theme of the original regional song this was blatantly inspired from) I felt bad for VV.. esp wrt to the fbs he had.. of the woman taking shots for him.. and then asking him to be in his limits and wake up to reality.. as usual he sat by himself and gulped his grief and unfairness life has meted out to him in some form..

Its hard .. but its harder to ignore it..

on some levels he is frustrated with himself.. for not being in control.. for finding it hard to ignore it.. especially the endless torture his mind goes through after staring in the face of 2 women.. almost behavioral clones.. one he cant help but love.. and the other.. he ought to love.. coz she of all ppl deserves it.. but can't help it..

He knows its best for him and everyone else to just settle down with this girl but he just cant see why he cant bring himself to do it.. esp when it should be easy.. considering she is much like his only object of affection in some ways..

So in summary.. while on grounds of practicality I completely agree and support IMV.. and his concerns for his family and son.. I can't help but feel sorry for VV.. (which is rather sad coz thts how weak he comes across.. wonder where the strong man who had immense courage and sanity vanish)

And on both accords.. I rest my objective case.. kudos to the CVs for giving such a poignant portrayal of the subtle tension between father and son dynamics..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Like I said loads of versions of this song.. but the voice that touches me the most in this.. happens to be a voice I love for its sheer tonal quality.. Ronan Keating.. enjoy the song..

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3FbwmjQUj0&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]
Edited by sonali.19281 - 14 years ago
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U hv totally intrigued me wid ur analysis of father-son scene...can't wait to watch it.😆

BTW I feel dat IMV made a tactical error in asking S to stay back. After dat dance outburt fiasco, whn V went back 2 d office, he surely must hv done a lot of introspection coz his attitude sure had changed once he returned. Whn he came 2 know dat S was leaving he didn't go all ballistic nd infact seemed resigned to d fact. His apology 2 VO too was a sign of his finally accepting d reality of d situation. So I think IMV was hasty in asking S to stay back, coz he had inferred frm S's monologue abt V's state of mind, but didn't know dat V had reconciled himself to S leaving.
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I still dont see any level of haste.. in IMVs decision.. he wants to put this matter to rest once and for all.. his moves have been extremely corporate if anything till now.. watch the IMV-VV scene today.. and the precap.. tht man is doing his HW.. he wants all the subjects in front of his eyes.. such tht he can make his next move.. and talking abt burning out VV it is happening..

well tht outburst was needed in some sense to vent his angst.. he is not an unfair or delusional person to not come and apologize to VO for his uncouth behavior.. thts not VV.. he can sit alone by the pool and dwell in melancholy forever.. but he wont shamelessly thrown temper tantrums and not have accountability.. even today he cldnt get himself to believe IMV but he did not see anything wrong with what he said.. so much so tht its playing unconsciously in his mind.. the seed IMV planted..

I felt bad for the guy in the end.. its 3rd degree torture.. 😆 seeing VO-S-D all enjoying in their space.. even D-S enjoying.. him seeing the obvious similarities in his past and present.. put not being able to come to grip with his present in the wake of his past haunting him forever.. he is at a very sensitive point.. needs help and IMV is the only man who can handle him.. but a very intriguing point came up in the end wrt VOs past.. and me and kools were dwellling on it in the epi disc post.. he may be one Anand type character😆 and may somehow be instrumental in making peace after all.. if there is any closure being decided for this track.. but tbh I give up on how long they wanna stretch the same torture..now m conveniently numb😆
Edited by sonali.19281 - 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonali.19281

I still dont see any level of haste.. in IMVs decision.. he wants to put this matter to rest once and for all.. his moves have been extremely corporate if anything till now.. watch the IMV-VV scene today.. and the precap.. tht man is doing his HW.. he wants all the subjects in front of his eyes.. such tht he can make his next move.. and talking abt burning out VV it is happening..


well tht outburst was needed in some sense to vent his angst.. he is not an unfair or delusional person to not come and apologize to VO for his uncouth behavior.. thts not VV.. he can sit alone by the pool and dwell in melancholy forever.. but he wont shamelessly thrown temper tantrums and not have accountability.. even today he cldnt get himself to believe IMV but he did not see anything wrong with what he said.. so much so tht its playing unconsciously in his mind.. the seed IMV planted..

I felt bad for the guy in the end.. its 3rd degree torture.. 😆 seeing VO-S-D all enjoying in their space.. even D-S enjoying.. him seeing the obvious similarities in his past and present.. put not being able to come to grip with his present in the wake of his past haunting him forever.. he is at a very sensitive point.. needs help and IMV is the only man who can handle him.. but a very intriguing point came up in the end wrt VOs past.. and me and kools were dwellling on it in the epi disc post.. he may be one Anand type character😆 and may somehow be instrumental in making peace after all.. if there is any closure being decided for this track.. but tbh I give up on how long they wanna stretch the same torture..now m conveniently numb😆

Yup just read abt tht intriguing point dat has come up in d pre-cap. Will post my thoughts in dat thread itself.
OK agree wid u after reading d epi disc thread dat VV is no where near resigned 2 d fact dat S nd he hv their respective spouses nd shuld concentrate on a life wid dem. I had found dat epi encouraging as I thought dat finally VV is getting over is obsession for S, but I guess it was just a lapse or as u say his char wouldn't allow him 2 not apologise for his appaling outburst.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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me too agreed with u
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Posted: 14 years ago
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uff taxation ne lagaa di meri , 8 hrs nonstop😆

ok finally watchred it
aaa eeeooo iii aaaeee
jn ki tune aur kal de diya hug🤢🤢wah wah itnii padaai ke baad jn torture
aur hug😭😭😆
nirali toh apne bhaiyon se das kadam aage nikli, they should learn to romance from her😆
this track is really getting on my nerves nirali comes across as desparate here
imv vv talk, good, very good, i liked how he was honest , just the d part was a lie otherwise he gave a clear cut message😊 s can never be part of ur life
excellent analysis
i did feel bad for vv i will write a detailed post on vv this weekend if i am free,his mind is fascinating me now😆
and d my d , gawd , she is sooo innocent , everyone has hidden something from her😒
yeh acchi baat nahin , everyone underestimates d i think but d sab kuch handle kar sakti hain
and she is so child like badii zidd kar rahi thi gola khane kii
i hope this child like innocence never goes from d. 😊
Edited by intruderfast - 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: intruderfast

uff taxation ne lagaa di meri , 8 hrs nonstop😆

ok finally watchred it
aaa eeeooo iii aaaeee
jn ki tune aur kal de diya hug🤢🤢wah wah itnii padaai ke baad jn torture
aur hug😭😭😆
nirali toh apne bhaiyon se das kadam aage nikli, they should learn to romance from her😆
this track is really getting on my nerves nirali comes across as desparate here
imv vv talk, good, very good, i liked how he was honest , just the d part was a lie otherwise he gave a clear cut message😊 s can never be part of ur life
excellent analysis
i did feel bad for vv i will write a detailed post on vv this weekend if i am free,his mind is fascinating me now😆
and d my d , gawd , she is sooo innocent , everyone has hidden something from her😒
yeh acchi baat nahin , everyone underestimates d i think but d sab kuch handle kar sakti hain
and she is so child like badii zidd kar rahi thi gola khane kii
i hope this child like innocence never goes from d. 😊


tere taxation ne.. aur mere undergrad trainees ne laga rakhi hain.. there r 4 working with me this sem😆.. subah shaam phone karte hain.. pata nahi kab lab ko jalaa dalein😆 so have been working overtime around their schedule..

JN baba.. lets not even go there.. b-grade cheese fest chalu tha.. I got no sense from it. till yest I got jimmy.. but now he is also inviting the idea tht Nirali likes him.. just coz she ignored him one day.. jo bhi ho.. the faster their prem ki naiyaa duboes the better.. as it is VS torture kam nahi hain

I'll wait to hear your thought on VV... he is sorta intriguing me too.. esp the last scene.. for once he cldnt help put D in tht messy equation.. but D also now has an inkling.. the way she spoke to S.. I only wish she cld talk to VV like old times..

but in tht car.. best part was when VV was in his fb.. and right after he thinks. .S mujhse shaadi karoge.. he hears D scream ruko ruko🤣🤣 (apne dimag ke ghode kidhar dauda rahe ho types.. main hoon na).. I cldnt help but crack up.. upar se VO ki nautanki😆 VO-D shld make a masti team.. and leave the sobbing lovers to themselves.. to sort out their mess like a time out.. like hum dono movie dekh ke aatey hain.. tab tak tum dono ko jitni baat karni hain.. vaadey lene hain le lena.. your time starts now😆

P.S. have a hunch tht again there will be IMV-D clash in this track😆 only D has the capacity to temporarily do kachra of IMVs fool proof plan without knowing😆
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tere taxation ne.. aur mere undergrad trainees ne laga rakhi hain.. there r 4 working with me this sem😆.. subah shaam phone karte hain.. pata nahi kab lab ko jalaa dalein😆 so have been working overtime around their schedule..

JN baba.. lets not even go there.. b-grade cheese fest chalu tha.. I got no sense from it. till yest I got jimmy.. but now he is also inviting the idea tht Nirali likes him.. just coz she ignored him one day.. jo bhi ho.. the faster their prem ki naiyaa duboes the better.. as it is VS torture kam nahi hain

I'll wait to hear your thought on VV... he is sorta intriguing me too.. esp the last scene.. for once he cldnt help put D in tht messy equation.. but D also now has an inkling.. the way she spoke to S.. I only wish she cld talk to VV like old times..

but in tht car.. best part was when VV was in his fb.. and right after he thinks. .S mujhse shaadi karoge.. he hears D scream ruko ruko🤣🤣 (apne dimag ke ghode kidhar dauda rahe ho types.. main hoon na).. I cldnt help but crack up.. upar se VO ki nautanki😆 VO-D shld make a masti team.. and leave the sobbing lovers to themselves.. to sort out their mess like a time out.. like hum dono movie dekh ke aatey hain.. tab tak tum dono ko jitni baat karni hain.. vaadey lene hain le lena.. your time starts now😆

P.S. have a hunch tht again there will be IMV-D clash in this track😆 only D has the capacity to temporarily do kachra of IMVs fool proof plan without knowing😆

what a day yaar aaj toh khana bhi banana pada😆haalat kahrab ho gayi Ouch😆
making food is a damn tough job , ab padaai jyaada easy lagti hain😆
@bold exactly , i so love that, d gives blows to imv without even intending to do it and she praises him too much toh bechare imv ko apne mooh pe taala lagaana padta hainROFL
haan yaar d vo ki mast masti team hogi,inko mazer karne do adhoori kahaani waale logon ko side mein rakho, gaane do unko ille ille
i dont know d ko pata hain yaa nahin , she knows that somethingt is wrong but she is so naive, woh kuch samajh nahin paayegi
yaa pehli baar uske fbs mein d bhi thi, he is tough to crack , and we dont see his mind also unlike imv , we know what exactly is in imv mind
but the makers dont show exactly what is v thinking they just show his fbs
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@Paaji: you just described my routine day.. work.. go home chill for a while.. cook.. eat .. work for the next day and sleep😆 and from now on.. mon, wed, thur are group fitness regime days for n hr in the even after work😆 wat fun..tue I cld hardly get my self out of bed on time..

LMAO at your adhoori kahani waaley😆 dekha jaaye to D ki kahani bhi adhoori hi hain.. but thnks to her personality wo poolside main baith ke roti nahin..

Thts wat got me interested in tht god forsaken gola mess.. for once VV was pushed to think.. nahi to banda soch hi nahi raha hain.. baith ke maatam manaye jaa raha hain.. i think yest IMVs dose did some work.. loved how in the end IMV was like chalo gyaan khatam now lets go for meeting.. gather yourself.. coz all said n done.. life wont stop.. business wont give us a time out for our personal mess to sort out😉

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