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Posted: 15 years ago
#41
i do agree.. as much as i loved the kiss, as a moment.. Mohit and sanaya had great chemistry. it was hot and passionate... But was it supposed to be hot?

It was at a wrong place... and the fact that.. he realised his love right after that neck kiss, is even more "not showing samrat in a good light" realization is a process, and cannot be specified as a particular time. but sam did say " yes i am in love with gunjan" right after he imagined kissing her on neck.

i can understand, in case of sajan they wanted to show, the physical attraction since they are already best friends and very close emotionally... but that could ve been shown in a different way.

And that sizzling kiss moment could ve been used in a later episode, when they are actually together.

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Posted: 15 years ago
#42
I don't think he has realized yet. I think when she breaks his heart or rejects him,l he finally have realization.

It's kinda like he always knew he was in love with her, but he has not realized it yet. KN was a stepping stone to realization, but I still think he has no clue on what love is
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Posted: 15 years ago
#43
and I agree with what Dia said.. It totally summed up my pts as well 👏

I still stand by this that Samrat has yet to realize he is in love with Gunjan and I feel the only way he will realize is IF she breaks his heart, and their friendship breaks offically.

I rather see them fall in love in a different way than cheesy lines and the same way done in other stuff.

I see spark for SG story, but let's hope CV's take it in the right direction.. He needs woo her and in that process fall for her.

Cause, they haven't had many attraction scenes so the kiss out of the question. The Kiss was to keep SG fans steady because they knew we were on the edge of quitting 😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
#44
^ You're expecting too much from these brain-dead creatives. Personally I'd LOVE to see a rejection track. SG need some angst for a change (no PD, the Little Sam track didn't count as real angst! 😛)

Rejection would give Samrat a much needed reality check - Gunjan isn't his to own. He is so confident about confessing, as if he is ENTITLED to have her! She can turn him down because she thinks he's proposing out of sympathy (she assumed he heard her confession in the music room).

Not that I enjoy rona dhona on these daily soaps but why should Samrat get Gunjan so effortlessly when she spent months pining for him. Rejection followed by heartbreak, followed by wooing ... so much better than a "He confesses; she accepts; they romance happily ever after" track. LOL! 😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
#45

Tas, sonali, kayamath_fan2 – I agree with you!

Kavya, myownarea and all others who agreed with kavya,

You have a point and I see where you're coming from, but I still don't agree entirely. I don't think that one scene was THE realization – it's been building up over the last so many episodes starting with the jail track.

My version of Sam's realization – hold your breath, this is going to be long!

Starts with Sam, king of dhakkans chanting his 'we're just friends, best friends' mantra at every beat, breaking G's heart and frustrating all SG fans.

Needs not just a push but a few rocks at his head to knock some sense into him.

Rock no 1 – pool party: Sheena – Gunjan loves you

Sam's reaction – complete denial – how dare you say that, what nonsense, it's a lie!

BUT – start of confusion – he doesn't call even though he wants to, feels things have suddenly become awkward between them.

Rock no 2 – Sheena in jail – Forget Gunjan's feelings, you love her.

Sam – still in denial – what nonsense, Sheena has a dirty mind, no one thinks that.

BUT – doubts start – Tam, Mayank, Dia all thought that.

But Sam the dhakkan doesn't want his cosy world changed, plus he's just got his best friend back so refuses to think about it.

Rock no 3 – Kulkarni the Cupid (who apparently has nothing better to do as all the chors in Mumbai are on holiday) says why are you waiting for her to 'palat'?

Sam – still in denial (that's why he's king of dhakkans) – I'm not waiting for her to palat, I'm not gonna look around.

BUT – (thinks) why didn't she palat, she always looks back.

Rock no 4 – Kulkarni again – sho shweet, you both are holding hands.

Sam withdraws hand quickly, awkwardness now in full swing.

Sam gets bail, RV passes remark about G, Sam's protectiveness, worried not about himself, but about G's reputation.

Okay, this is still very slow, now need some bigger rocks or boulders.

Boulder no 1 – Gunjan's hug

Not the hug of friends – that was Dia and Sam. This is like he can't let her go.

Denial phase out of the window, 'best friends' out of the window, now into the "what's happening to me" phase. Holds her hand – why am I holding her hand, I've held her hand before, but why am I holding her hand?

At the party, waiting for G, only thinking about G, calls Dia Chashmish.

Boulder no 2 – Gunjan enters, he sees her smiling khul ke for the first time in ages, is mesmerized (don't blame you, Sammy even we saw her smiling after eons!!!)

Further into "what just happened?? What's wrong with me? Why am I thinking only about her? Why am I seeing her everywhere?" phase.

Boulder no 3 - Gunjan in red fantasy (she's much more sensible in his dreams than in real life at the moment) – look into your heart, Samrat.

And finally he looks, and says – I want you around me all the time. ALMOST there – but not quite.

Song KN – again fantasy Gunjan touches his face and smiles at him (told you she's smarter in his dreams) and he starts flying.

When you stop laughing, I'll carry on.

He comes back to earth, asks – why didn't I give your friendship band back, why, when I see you, do I feel I don't need anything more? – he asks this but he already knows the answer – THIS is the realization.

( if they did less monologues, and talked more to each other, they would have been together years ago!)

So when he sees her again and tells her to come close to take the bracelet, he already knows what he feels – that's why the confidence with which he tells her to come close. He just puts it into words later when he sees G in red and refuses to give back the bracelet.

This is the realization according to me – because I would hate it if what you guys said was true and it was the kiss that made him realize! That's just not SG to me! Though you have a point, instead of a neck kiss, they could have just a very close moment – though I've seen neck kisses in other serials before, and here it was the SG/Monaya chemistry that made it sizzle so much, plus the fact that they've never had such scenes before at all.

Sheesh – I hope the creatives spend as much thought and energy into making these characters as we do in analyzing them! Note to self – Diya, get a life!

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Posted: 15 years ago
#46
I agree that SG fans have waited a hell lot for the realization to happen, and i agree with them. But just to take things to a newer level, to love, the way the CV's put it wasn't right at all. The CV's are really unpredictable when it comes to story line. First they take SG on a snail pace, and suddenly shift to jet speed. Where did the "Normal" pace vanish?

An the realization of love could have been done in many other ways. As all SG fans mention, SG are known for their innocence. Their passion along with their innocence comes blends really well. And just for the heck of showing that Samrat thinks of Gunjan as more than just a friend, they completely erased out the innocence. I'm sorry, but after Samrat's dream sequence, I feel his innocence is lost.

Even earlier in that party, (which was NOT a dream) he went close to her(fine, that's okay), but there again he tried to kiss her. And Gunjan didn't run away. She closed her eyes. Wasn't her character shy? Through these instances, SG are losing out on their innocence, which is the actual USP of this couple.

So basically, maybe Samrat could have noticed her in a different way, not by kissing her on her neck, but by trying to keep aside friendship, and look at her with a new vision. He needn't erase the friendship. Because that friendship led to love, he just needs to think of Gunjan, keeping aside the "best friends" tag. That would help him better in realizing that he loves her, and not that "neck" kiss. Infact, dreaming of kissing her even before he realizes he's in love is really disgusting (according to me).

The realization was perfect till that dream sequence came and destroyed the beautiful, passionate (mixed with innocence) moment. And after that, I don't see that innocence in SG anymore. No offence, that's just my POV.
Edited by utfracks - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#47
Well yeah it was pretty weird..maybe they wanted to rush it up..but i think the sheena track is the culprit..
n lust is not always love!..they're trying to show the wrong thing...if tSam realized his love after the kiss,that would be sick!..but acc 2 me i think it was after KN..
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Posted: 15 years ago
#48
Kavya,

yes, i agree with whatever you have written!

I don't know about realization coz i skipped that part but as you are saying i agree that kiss was actually good but timing was not perfect!

If similar kind of scene was shown after confession, it would have crossed the limits of passion!

everything has its time! you cannot run things in one scene!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: DiyaS



<p class="MsoNormal">Tas, sonali, kayamath_fan2 – I agree with you!</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Kavya, myownarea and all others who agreed with kavya,</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">You have a point and I see where you're coming from, but I still
don't agree entirely. I don't think that one scene was THE realization – it's
been building up over the last so many episodes starting with the jail track.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">My version of Sam's realization – hold your breath, this is going
to be long!</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Starts with Sam, king of dhakkans chanting his 'we're just friends,
best friends' mantra at every beat, breaking G's heart and frustrating all SG
fans.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Needs not just a push but a few rocks at his head to knock some
sense into him.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Rock no 1 – pool party: Sheena – Gunjan loves you</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Sam's reaction – complete denial – how dare you say that, what
nonsense, it's a lie!</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">BUT – start of confusion – he doesn't call even though he wants to,
feels things have suddenly become awkward between them.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Rock no 2 – Sheena in jail – Forget Gunjan's feelings, you love
her.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Sam – still in denial – what nonsense, Sheena has a dirty mind, no
one thinks that.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">BUT – doubts start – Tam, Mayank, Dia all thought that.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">But Sam the dhakkan doesn't want his cosy world changed, plus he's
just got his best friend back so refuses to think about it.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Rock no 3 – Kulkarni the Cupid (who apparently has nothing better
to do as all the chors in Mumbai are on holiday) says why are you waiting for
her to 'palat'?</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Sam – still in denial (that's why he's king of dhakkans) – I'm not
waiting for her to palat, I'm not gonna look around.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">BUT – (thinks) why didn't she palat, she always looks back.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Rock no 4 – Kulkarni again – sho shweet, you both are holding
hands.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Sam withdraws hand quickly, awkwardness now in full swing. </p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Sam gets bail, RV passes remark about G, Sam's protectiveness,
worried not about himself, but about G's reputation.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Okay, this is still very slow, now need some bigger rocks or
boulders.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Boulder no 1 – Gunjan's hug</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Not the hug of friends – that was Dia and Sam. This is like he
can't let her go.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Denial phase out of the window, 'best friends' out of the window,
now into the "what's happening to me" phase. Holds her hand – why am I holding
her hand, I've held her hand before, but why am I holding her hand?</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">At the party, waiting for G, only thinking about G, calls Dia
Chashmish.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Boulder no 2 – Gunjan enters, he sees her smiling khul ke for the
first time in ages, is mesmerized (don't blame you, Sammy even we saw her smiling
after eons!!!)</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Further into "what just happened?? What's wrong with me? Why am I thinking
only about her? Why am I seeing her everywhere?" phase.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Boulder no 3 - Gunjan in red fantasy (she's much more sensible in
his dreams than in real life at the moment) – look into your heart, Samrat.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">And finally he looks, and says – I want you around me all the time.
ALMOST there – but not quite.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Song KN – again fantasy Gunjan touches his face and smiles at him
(told you she's smarter in his dreams) and he starts flying.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">When you stop laughing, I'll carry on.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">He comes back to earth, asks – why didn't I give your friendship
band back, why, when I see you, do I feel I don't need anything more? – he asks
this but he already knows the answer – THIS is the realization.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">( if they did less monologues, and talked more to each other, they
would have been together years ago!)</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">So when he sees her again and tells her to come close to take the bracelet,
he already knows what he feels – that's why the confidence with which he tells
her to come close. He just puts it into words later when he sees G in red and
refuses to give back the bracelet.</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">This is the realization according to me – because I would hate it
if what you guys said was true and it was the kiss that made him realize! That's
just not SG to me! Though you have a point, instead of a neck kiss, they could
have just a very close moment – though I've seen neck kisses in other serials
before, and here it was the SG/Monaya chemistry that made it sizzle so much,
plus the fact that they've never had such scenes before at all. </p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Sheesh – I hope the creatives spend as much thought and energy into
making these characters as we do in analyzing them! Note to self – Diya, get a
life!</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"></p>



Diya -gr8 post 😊
As much as I feel creatives DIDNOT think so much 😊
I loved reading ur analysis of the situation...!!

Rocks n boulders..😆

I agree with the rocks and boulders, its the neck kiss *shudders again* that I still do not feel positive about,,,it was inappropriate n inappropriately placed..!! Hope the damage is undone soon enough!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#50
Wow so many talented people on this forum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really hope the creatives make atleast this much effort to understand the characters and the scenes that they are writing...

Really I had found the realisation both KN and KJ to be quite good.
I had not given much thought to the kiss.. I had found MoNaya chem to be really sizzling in that scene and nothing beyond that..

Definitely it was out of place as many of you had pointed out..
Actually call me old fashioned or whatever..I really do see the need for such initmate scenes in MJHT on either couple. 😊

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