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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Arshics let me clear some of the aspects of logic maiyya for you, but not everything.
Point no 1: Knowledge was from Shiva's brain, not from the book. Observe the dialogue when Dansh ask guru what will happen if Nag Pramukh snatches Amrit from Garud Pramukh in those 7 minutes. Guru clearly replies he has no answer because he is only giving info that is in Shiva's brain.Also it is told that how to reach Amrit is not known. Though they have known when and what of Amrit.
Point 2:Throwing books in the fire was a distraction tactis and also a feeling by Nag guru that since they know what to expect and when to expect, how can be planned by them. Because they know the day of Amrit kumbh coming, the planetary position, the seven doors, garuds guarding the doors planning is not difficult. If you observe the scene you clearly see Rudra in FB remembers MB telling knowledge of Amrit cannot be gained easily. Hence he survives the distraction tactis and goes behind guru.
Point 3: Rudra knowing Shiva's place. He had a premonition right during bomb scare where Shiva was. Did Nagas change the place post that. I am seeing them in the same den since then. But then I am not so sure. Because apart from that I don't see any other logic of Rudra reaching there.
Overall the highpoint of the epi was the secret of Amrit. So the remaining 6 garuds are the defense system for the Garud Pramukh also. Very interesting. Another thing I liked was the way Dansh managed the infighting among Garuds. What now with Shiva planning to kill the Garuds. No wonder MB was worried in last epi and didn't give Rudra the ashirvaad.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Arshics let me clear some of the aspects of logic maiyya for you, but not everything.

Point no 1: Knowledge was from Shiva's brain, not from the book. Observe the dialogue when Dansh ask guru what will happen if Nag Pramukh snatches Amrit from Garud Pramukh in those 7 minutes. Guru clearly replies he has no answer because he is only giving info that is in Shiva's brain.Also it is told that how to reach Amrit is not known. Though they have known when and what of Amrit.
Point 2:Throwing books in the fire was a distraction tactis and also a feeling by Nag guru that since they know what to expect and when to expect, how can be planned by them. Because they know the day of Amrit kumbh coming, the planetary position, the seven doors, garuds guarding the doors planning is not difficult. If you observe the scene you clearly see Rudra in FB remembers MB telling knowledge of Amrit cannot be gained easily. Hence he survives the distraction tactis and goes behind guru.
Point 3: Rudra knowing Shiva's place. He had a premonition right during bomb scare where Shiva was. Did Nagas change the place post that. I am seeing them in the same den since then. But then I am not so sure. Because apart from that I don't see any other logic of Rudra reaching there.
Overall the highpoint of the epi was the secret of Amrit. So the remaining 6 garuds are the defense system for the Garud Pramukh also. Very interesting. Another thing I liked was the way Dansh managed the infighting among Garuds. What now with Shiva planning to kill the Garuds. No wonder MB was worried in last epi and didn't give Rudra the ashirvaad.



Thanks for clarifying the doubts Shruthi.

Earlier I too was confused with the FB, but realised that it was Rudra's realisation that Nagas couldnt have made a copy of the book, and this was the original and only copy.

Yes it was a diversionary tactic, but Drish lost interest in the book too soon. That was strange.

The info has to be from Shiva's head as Shiva has not had the chance to sit and decode both the books together, but this did not emerge clearly from the episode.

Rudra reaching the den was not really logical as the place has been changed, the chinha has been kept inactive and also as Shiva was not there when Rudra reached. Rudra usually sees instant and present locations

Also not very logical is the coverage of Dansh of the entire geography like a live TV coverage.


Yes, Dansh using Shiva to demolish the garudas is a master stroke. Now that he knows what is in Shivas head, he maybe doesnt want to keep him anymore.

But without having the answers he has returned both shiva and the books to Rudra - that's not very smart of him, beacuse now again the Garudas will be one up on him.

Yes it established the very significant detail of amrit kab aur kahan aayega, and that this was always known to Shiva, as its in his head, and not in book 2.

But this also puts a question mark on Shiva as he betrayed no urgency in collecting the garudas even though the date and time was known to him.


Even I liked the concept of 7 doors, 7 minutes when time will come to a standstill and Garuda pramukh has to take care of the amrit, before it disappears again.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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REally? Utkarsh will not write anymore? Where did you read this news? Saw his tweet about new developments and announcements. But nothing else.

7 minute ke amrit ke liye hi tho hai yeh sab kuch. 144 saal ka intezaar. aur shiva ka saalon ka mehnat.

They are consistent on this. The story is intact and moving but the plot or the detail is wobbling at times in my opinion.

And these days, there are no digressions. They are focussed on the early stages of the main battle.




I agree with you Santhi. The story has been kept intact and not diluted. There are no digressions and time wasters.

the actors and script writers are sticking to the basics very well.

But as you said the writing tends to flounder a bit, the details are glossed over at times and there could have been a bit more attention to details.

In fact this is one of the very few stories where there has been no dilution of the plot, no tweaking for TRP etc.

Hats off to team MK for this great achievement
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Arshics read my independent post on Action and result. Dansh and Nag Guru has become over confident as only " How " to reach Amrit is missing. They feel that is in their control and they can plan and reach the Amrit easily as Garuds has no clue.
Even Shiva doesn't know how as he didn't read the second book. Remember him telling he knows there are 7 Garuds, but only Rudra can identify them. And didn't we see without even knowing he is Garud Pramukh, Rudra brings the remaining Garuds to the Kumbh calling them his friends. Charles, Mai and Kat comes with him. So how is with Rudra or shall I say the direction to how through MB. This is vital and the game changer.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Great post Arshi! Jai ho indeed. Loved your version.
Great discussion everyone.

True the story is turning gory with so much torture of Shiva , but it's moving on. You are right the detailing has been patchy. Dansh seems to be enjoying himself, he loves the game. Will now be the time for all the Garuds to get their powers established, therefore preventing what Dansh wants to make them fight each other. Shiva has finally reached the end of his tether with the intensity of the tortures.
How are they going to come together stronger than the Nagas as they are entirely too prepared for this battle as against the Garuds. Hope their preparations are at least shown more logically now.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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👏bolo jai Arshi(poetess) Maiyya
😭bolo jai (NO) logic maiyya
😕bolo jai Babbal bhaiyya


Great post dear Arshi

😉
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Arshics



I agree with you Santhi. The story has been kept intact and not diluted. There are no digressions and time wasters.

the actors and script writers are sticking to the basics very well.

But as you said the writing tends to flounder a bit, the details are glossed over at times and there could have been a bit more attention to details.

In fact this is one of the very few stories where there has been no dilution of the plot, no tweaking for TRP etc.

Hats off to team MK for this great achievement


I agree with Shanti and Arshi that the story of Amrut is kept intact. Better detailing is needed.
In yesterday's episode Drish says, 'Samay ruk jayega 7 minute ke liye.' Kalash ki sthapana Dharati par karni hai.'😊
If time is going to halt then how do you know its '7 minutes' the amrut kumbh is visible? and if those 7 minutes are lapsed what happens? Whether the the interpretation is from book or Brain mapping its confusing.
If you believe astrology then it says on mahashivratri its Vrischik asendant and Rahu in Mrityu sthan/8th house. If the story is unfolding in 2013 I wonder how accurate that detailing is.😉
I am saying this because they were spot on in one of the initial episode where chota Rudra gives his horoscope details to Punnu's father.

Though the show is for Guarding Amrut and they have not deviated from it, This forum offers a great brain storming on the scenes and philosophy of the show. I think I enjoy that more than the actual show. Each episode generates a huge discussion. I am glad I started reading this forum. The story unfolds better here than the actual episode. Dont know what happens to those who dont read here. Though the show has selected viewership it not possible to dissect and understand the show for every individual.






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Posted: 10 years ago
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Arshi, meri jaan, kahan khatam honge aapke hunar? This scintillating post so closely mirrors my own feelings about the last night's episode that I felt I was talking to myself !

Yesterday, Mahakumbh was like a remix of Superman (for the shav vahan being blocked and the lifted) and a documentary on the effect of PDP or angel dust on the human system, plus some standard issue maar dhaad in a constricted space. Plus of course all that fantastical stuff about time stopping for 7 minutes, the 7 gates to the amrit guarded by the 7 garuds, and so on.

What was never explained, and probably never will be, as you too have noted, was how Rudra blasted himself pat into the middle of the underground naga lair. Perhaps Dansh, in the excitement of his coup in getting to the Two Books and still retaining Shivanand, forgot to switch on the laser and the Garuda Locator worked!

Shruthi, after Drish mapped Shivanand's brain last night, I realised that part of your theory re: the exchange and the grenades Dansh used, was correct. He never intended to give Shivanand back, for then the vital brain-mapping would have gone for a six. You were right on this.

But by the same token, he could not have been thinking of killed Shivanand with that grenade.

His plan must thus have been for Leela to get the Two Books and hand over Shivanand. At that point, he would have tossed a grenade at Rudra and the others who would have been advancing towards the open space. In the confusion created by the explosion, Dansh would have streaked up to Shivanand in his wheelchair and dragged him back into the vehicle and pushed off with him.

Arshi, you will be pleased to know that I liked Dansh the best last night😉, crazy or not. He is in fact at his best when he seems high on grass. He was chortling away to glory watching Shivanand hammer the DM, Charles and Katharine, instead of snarling as usual, and even in the precap, he only expels Leela, he does not kill her, as even her father would have expected him to do.

And in the beginning, he sat there in the naga lab, on the edge of a chair, like an anxious, expectant father inside the labour room, while his guru, having the upper hand for once, pottered around pompously with the brain mapping and its decoding.

Now see how technologically advanced the nagas are as compared to the garuds!😉😉

They can successfully map what passes for poor Shivanand's brain, addled as it must have been by so much of heating by laser, plus the assorted poison injections😉. Even more impressive, they have hallucinogens (seedhibaat, colour coded, without a doubt!😉) that can produce specific hallucinations tailor-made for the target! Dansh instead of Rudra one time, Rudra instead of that poor bakra another time, and so on!

I am sure the CIA or the successor of the KGB, dazzled by such stuff, would love to get their hands on naga alchemy, and would pay anything for it.😉 Seriously, too much time is being spent on these hallucinogen hijinks.

Folks,I might be wrong, but I am beginning to be afraid that the final denouement of Mahakumbh is going to be neither neat nor comprehensive. They are already beginning to cut corners, as evidenced by the long laundry list of glaringly illogical bits that Arshi has listed here.

One thing is for sure: Mahakumbh is neither the Mahabharatha, with its 100,000 verses, nor the Harry Potter saga with its 7 (there is the number again!) books and 8 films. Here you have only 120 episodes, and only 44 of these are left as of now. Till now, 5 of the 7 garuds do not even know what their powers are, nor have these powers been activated. Kis muhurat ki prateeksha hai?

I did not much like this last week's episodes, which did not have a single standout scene , and incidentally broke the pattern if there being something exceptional at the end of the Thursday night episode. Rudra has nothing significant to do bar punch the nagas and lift vehicles, and his looks seem set. Drish was much better than usual yesterday, but is generally fatiguing. Leela has a very limited set of expressions, and Maya is still, happily, comatose. The only character, and performer, worth watching, is MB. I hope we get to see more of her this coming week.

As for the rest, I fear that we are going to end up with the good old holdall that folks used to travel with on trains in the old days. Everything left over stuffed in and the contraption strapped tight, despite all the odds and ends sticking out. Mark my words.

Vilupt Saraswati ka gyaan: One thing. After last night, one got a hint of what the vilupt gyaan is. It is a crucial supplement to the knowledge contained in the Two Books (which Rudra seems to have rescued unscathed from the fire into which Drish had tossed them, though when he was lifting that shav vaahan, they were nowhere to be seen). The Books indicate where, when and how the amrit kalash will emerge. The vilupt Saraswati will presumably indicate - of course to Rudra, as Dansh's uppityness would have put her off good and proper! - how to get at the amrit kalash after passing thru those 7 doors.

Shyamala

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shymalaji Dont lose hope😊

There are 2 writers added to the crew now.
There is an article published saying Leela will save Maya and will help her in gaining consciousness.
I guess 'pull socks up ' time😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well, hope springs eternal and all that jazz, but have we not heard of too many cooks spoiling the broth?

Plus, there were always 3 writers, but with Utkarsh heading the list .Does this new info mean that there are going to be FIVE writers? Then we can expect a civil war inside the writers' den to rival that between the garuds!!😉😉 And then only Niyati can save the story, and us viewers as well!😲

Shyamala

Originally posted by: seedhibaat

Shymalaji Dont lose hope😊


There are 2 writers added to the crew now.
There is an article published saying Leela will save Maya and will help her in gaining consciousness.
I guess 'pull socks up ' time😳

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