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Rihan05

@Rihan05

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Posted: 8 years ago

#11

Parvati calling Narayan Jyesht is nothing wrong;
It's out of respect and as far as I know Durga/Kali and Narayan is called Bro-Sis

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Mages

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Posted: 8 years ago

#12

lord vishnu always treated parvati as his sister...its an example to the world including krishna-draupadi siblings relationship...relationships doesn't bond with blood...relationships bonds with heart n soul...relationships that bonds with heart n soul is divine...

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rsnarula67

@rsnarula67

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Posted: 8 years ago

#13

Hi,

I read somewhere that in some texts it is believed that both Vishnu and Mahakali were born (appeared? ... actually there is another apt word to describe this but I am unable to recall) together. From splitting of a single egg(?). So in a way twins, which is why they are always percieved as brother and sister.

I think I need to go back and read some more, to get a better handle on this.

But one thing is for sure, both of them share certain characteristics (at least in the representations), mischief, all knowing slighly amused smile, ... leelas...

Another thing of note is that almost always the "Sanghaar" of the Daitya's & others, is the job of either of Narayan or of Shakti.

In terms of the Mahabharat, many believe that Adi Shakti is present in two forms - one Subhadra (sister) and the other Draupadi (close dear friend). In a way the relationship between Krishna and Draupadi is not defined, but that might be more because we all want to have a definite "this is what it is" sort of explanation. Also, there is the factor of discomfort many have with the friendship between a guy and a gal. So this "undefined relationship' could also be just a medium to teach us something...

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ltelidevara

@ltelidevara

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+ 8

Posted: 8 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: imnowhere
Did I just forget to mention my dislike on the portrayal of Parvati-Narayana as siblings?
Some of you might me a fault finding machine but I couldn't help myself.
I can't explain it in words but I find it weird when Parvati addresses Lord Narayana as jyesht. Narayana is unborn whereas Parvati was born to King Himalaya then how can they be siblings? We needn't always measure relationships by attaching labels to it. At least Tridev-Tridevis are beyond that

Yes. I agree with you. Parvati addressing Narayan as Jyesht sounds wierd. They may be considered as brother and sister due to the time frame they were born as per Saptasati and other scriptures but that doesn't mean maa Shakti will address him as Jyesht. I find Parvati addressing SRJ as Dev also odd. Swami is the word that should be used .Wife in those days generally address the husband in that way especially when they belong to Devine origin.

Lakshmi

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Rihan05

@Rihan05

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Posted: 8 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: ltelidevara
Yes. I agree with you. Parvati addressing Narayan as Jyesht sounds wierd. They may be considered as brother and sister due to the time frame they were born as per Saptasati and other scriptures but that doesn't mean maa Shakti will address him as Jyesht. I find Parvati addressing SRJ as Dev also odd. Swami is the word that should be used .Wife in those days generally address the husband in that way especially when they belong to Devine origin.

Lakshmi

then what exactly should Devi Parvati address Narayan?? If not brother.

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1123225

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Posted: 8 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: ltelidevara
s brother and sister due to the time frame they were born as per Saptasati and other scriptures but that doesn't mean maa Shakti will address him as Jyesht. I find Parvati addressing SRJ as Dev also odd. Swami is the word that should be used .Wife in those days generally address the husband in that way especially when they belong to Devine origin.

Lakshmi

Could you provide some examples? I'm not all that familiar with the Shiva/Kaali story, but I don't remember Satyabhama in MBh referring to Krishna as Swami. Or Sita in Ramayan.

Panchali, I am assuming, cannot be counted, since she was human. As far as I can see, she called the Pandavas (except Yudhisthir) by name.

Edited by HearMeRoar - 8 years ago

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Maleficarum

@Maleficarum

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Posted: 8 years ago

#17

The etymological origin of "swami" in Sanskrit has no relation whatsoever to a husband's address. Defined literally, it translates as "master", referring specifically to a spiritual guide. I believe it was originally a designation for initiates of Advaita Vedanta. As Shiva is the ultimate ascetic, Parvati has reason to address him as "swami". It's only in certain languages, like Bengali, that "swami" translates as husband.

Regarding Vishnu and Parvati, he indeed recognized her nominally as his sister. However, his relationship with Mahakaali is far more intricate and elaborate; some texts describe them as contained in the same "bubble" arising from Adi Shakti (this symbolises preservation requiring power; comparatively, Saraswati and Shiva are in another "bubble", as are Lakshmi and Brahma). They may also birth their own "bubbles", from which Shiva, Brahma, Parvati, and Radha arise. Other texts state Mahakaali as manifesting from Vishnu as Yogmaya -- she is his mystical sleep, subduing him as Narayana but energizing him as Vishnu. In such texts, she is evoked by Brahma to liberate Narayana so he can slay Madhu and Kaitabha.

Alternatively, Tantric texts may associate Vishnu's Dashavatara with the Mahavidyas; here, Krishna originates from Kaali. Additionally, some sources state Vishnu meditated on Adi Shakti to provide his form as Mohini.

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ltelidevara

@ltelidevara

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Posted: 8 years ago

#18

IThe word "Swami" is derived from the sanskrit word "SWAM" which means the one who owns/identifies with everything (Brahman).

Since Shiv is the one who owns everything and who identifies with Brahman, Swami is an apt word to be used for him.

Parvati addresses him as Deva in Durga Sapta Sati when Siva asks her thus

Devi Tvam bhakta Sulabhe Sarvabhishta pradayini

Kalau Hi Karya Sidhyarthamupayam bruhi yatnata:

Devi ' Who is easily accessible to devotees! Who fulfills the desires of devotees!

What is the means to accomplish the purpose in Kali yug?

Srunu Deva Pravakshyami Kalau Sarveshta Sadhanam

Listen O Lord! I am telling you the means to fulfill all the desires.

Here She addressed him Deva. But when it comes to our contemporary show when she addresses as Dev" it sounds like any common name used in serials case in point Dev in Kuch Rang Pyar ki.( Sorry Minakshi. Here another show is used only for namesake.)

Parvati in GuruGita from Skandha Puran addresses Shiva as Bhagawan.

Even in Vara Lakshmi vrat story Parvati says Bhagawan Deva Devesa. O God of Gods!

So it is not Deva I found odd. It is 'Dev " that got a contemporary feel.

Parvati considered Shiva as her Guru. So when she says Swami it is not in relation with her being a wife and he the husband. It is due to her regard and reverence and a token of acceptance for Shiva the Adi Guru.She learnt yoga,tantra everything from him..

Reg how Krishna's wives addressed him since they lived in Bhu Lok may be they followed the ways accordingly. They may say Nath or Swami..

Draupadi any way is human and a princess so she might have used the words Arya or Arya Putra..

Lakshmi

Edited by ltelidevara - 8 years ago

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Quin8

@Quin8

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Posted: 8 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: Maleficarum
The etymological origin of "swami" in Sanskrit has no relation whatsoever to a husband's address. Defined literally, it translates as "master", referring specifically to a spiritual guide. I believe it was originally a designation for initiates of Advaita Vedanta. As Shiva is the ultimate ascetic, Parvati has reason to address him as "swami". It's only in certain languages, like Bengali, that "swami" translates as husband.

Yup, also in Indonesian language, suami means husband (noun)

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Rudrasa999

@Rudrasa999

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Posted: 8 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: Mages
lord vishnu always treated parvati as his sister...its an example to the world including krishna-draupadi siblings relationship...relationships doesn't bond with blood...relationships bonds with heart n soul...relationships that bonds with heart n soul is divine...

Very TRUE ❤️😊 . Such relationships are pure soulful spiritual relationships which are way more stronger than biological blood relationships and beyond human understanding level .

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