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Originally posted by: ananyacool

There are more than one Kripa in epic. Kripa the kulguru dies sometime in Vanaparva , this news reached Yudhi in exile.

The warrior Kripa must be belonging to the same Gautama family as the kulguru that's why he is Kripa ; it was probably their last name

Same goes to Akritavarna the disciple of Parashurama and guru of Karna from whom Radheya Karna learns brahma weapon and also political science

Originally posted by: Nandiniraizaada

She must have got her mukti just by carrying this life force inside her for three months.

Yes can we read more of Madhavacharya's work???

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Actually there were at least 5 Anga Kingdoms of which one is ruled by Karna and later he gets Champa and Malini cities after having impressed Jarasandha ( Jarasandha and Karna are related ; the former is Adiratha's cousin)

Pandu subdues some ancestor of Adiratha and takes control of Anga kingdom in his Digvijaya, since Pandu is way too powerful than Jarasandha so he couldn't help his cousin. That's why Anga becomes a property of Hastinapur which anyway is returned to Karna by Dury. Post war when Vairochana wins Anga Pandavas help their grandson establish it .

Ghatu is quite famous is Himachal and Nepal as well.

The 'vayupautra' hawai jahaz is always at the service of his fathers and mother 😆 so ghatu has quite a number of adventures in Himalaya also

After war it was 'Pandava-pautra' kingdoms galore literally everywhere!

There are 'Samvagri' coins available in the medieval period. Samvagri means 'United warriors" they represent Yaudheyas, Malavas and Arjuneyas combined and they ruled together ...Yaudheyas after Yudhi; Malavas & Arjuneyas after Bhima and Arjuna respectively.

The grandsons or even descendents of all five brothers always called themselves as Pandava vanshis only and not after only one grandfather unless specifically asked.

Udayana the King of Vatsa is very proud of the unity that his great grandfathers had he is found discussing with Buddha, only when Buddha asks which Pandava, Udayana says he is descendent of Arjuna. So Pandu putras owe their success to their mother Kunti and their dear wifey Krishnaa😊

There are agnija Bharatas also who call themselves after their founding mother draupadi and since they belong to bharatvansh also. They are the ones who back Janmejaya in his sarpa satra along with Vajrakhira and Kakshsena who is grandson of Bhima and Drau

In south there are Vahnikula Kshatriya calling themselves sons of Drau

So in Sauptika, Draupadi Krishnaa doesn't lose all her kin as it is mentioned.

Sauptika itself is very self contradictory and on reading appears like a B grade Bollywood movie with sloppy editing and screenplay🤢

Whats more , in Kaushitaki Brahmana Shikhandi 'yajnasena' who defeated Gangeya is a priest to his nephew ( son of Draupadi is meant)

The 'Brahmanas' were written sometime after the bharata war .

Originally posted by: ashne

Everyone in the Kaurava and Pandava side, got punished one way or the other. Did Kripacharya ever get punished for his role in the massacre/war? I haven't read anything regarding this.

Originally posted by: india2050

I had the same question too!!!! Maybe seeing his sister suffering with her husband dead and only child banished for 3000 years was deemed enough punishment. Otherwise he was the Kulguru and also taught Parikshit martial arts

Originally posted by: varaali

When Brahmashira hits Uttara, it does not kill Parikshit right away.

What happened next is skipped by the MB but described in the SB. Lord Krishna enters Uttara's womb (NOT the Sudarshana Chakra 😡) and provides a protective cover to the child. Parikshit is described as seeing the Lord.

Then, as per MB, when Parikshit is born (- Parikshit is not stillborn ) he looks around for the luminous figure that had engulfed him during the past months. Not being able to find the luminous figure and feeling devoid of the protective force that had sustained him in his mother's womb, the infant Parikshit feels the the Earth is not a good place to live and gives up his life (effectively, since the protective force was no longer there, the brahmashira took its toll)

That's when Drauapdi Subhadra and other women raise their wail and Krishna rushes in.
As Krishna begins the resurrection process, the child instinctively feels the same protective force once more, near him. Feeling re assured, he opens his eyes and sees the same form that he had seen in the womb. Parikshit comes back to life.

This resurrection process is not described in the SB.

Originally posted by: Nandiniraizaada

Didn't kripacharya perform duties of kul guru in HP post war???😆

Originally posted by: ananyacool

There are more than one Kripa in epic. Kripa the kulguru dies sometime in Vanaparva , this news reached Yudhi in exile.

The warrior Kripa must be belonging to the same Gautama family as the kulguru that's why he is Kripa ; it was probably their last name

Same goes to Akritavarna the disciple of Parashurama and guru of Karna from whom Radheya Karna learns brahma weapon and also political science

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Actually there were at least 5 Anga Kingdoms of which one is ruled by Karna and later he gets Champa and Malini cities after having impressed Jarasandha ( Jarasandha and Karna are related ; the former is Adiratha's cousin)

Pandu subdues some ancestor of Adiratha and takes control of Anga kingdom in his Digvijaya, since Pandu is way too powerful than Jarasandha so he couldn't help his cousin. That's why Anga becomes a property of Hastinapur which anyway is returned to Karna by Dury. Post war when Vairochana wins Anga Pandavas help their grandson establish it .

Ghatu is quite famous is Himachal and Nepal as well.

The 'vayupautra' hawai jahaz is always at the service of his fathers and mother 😆 so ghatu has quite a number of adventures in Himalaya also

After war it was 'Pandava-pautra' kingdoms galore literally everywhere!

There are 'Samvagri' coins available in the medieval period. Samvagri means 'United warriors" they represent Yaudheyas, Malavas and Arjuneyas combined and they ruled together ...Yaudheyas after Yudhi; Malavas & Arjuneyas after Bhima and Arjuna respectively.

The grandsons or even descendents of all five brothers always called themselves as Pandava vanshis only and not after only one grandfather unless specifically asked.

Udayana the King of Vatsa is very proud of the unity that his great grandfathers had he is found discussing with Buddha, only when Buddha asks which Pandava, Udayana says he is descendent of Arjuna. So Pandu putras owe their success to their mother Kunti and their dear wifey Krishnaa😊

There are agnija Bharatas also who call themselves after their founding mother draupadi and since they belong to bharatvansh also. They are the ones who back Janmejaya in his sarpa satra along with Vajrakhira and Kakshsena who is grandson of Bhima and Drau

In south there are Vahnikula Kshatriya calling themselves sons of Drau

So in Sauptika, Draupadi Krishnaa doesn't lose all her kin as it is mentioned.

Sauptika itself is very self contradictory and on reading appears like a B grade Bollywood movie with sloppy editing and screenplay🤢

Whats more , in Kaushitaki Brahmana Shikhandi 'yajnasena' who defeated Gangeya is a priest to his nephew ( son of Draupadi is meant)

The 'Brahmanas' were written sometime after the bharata war .

Originally posted by: ananyacool

There are more than one Kripa in epic. Kripa the kulguru dies sometime in Vanaparva , this news reached Yudhi in exile.

The warrior Kripa must be belonging to the same Gautama family as the kulguru that's why he is Kripa ; it was probably their last name

Same goes to Akritavarna the disciple of Parashurama and guru of Karna from whom Radheya Karna learns brahma weapon and also political science

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

I would like citations for the claim in bold. And also citations for the claim of Karna studying under Akritivarna. As far as I know - Karna went to Bhargava rama viz., Parshurama.

Originally posted by: ashne

This is interesting. Does this mean that Drau and Pandavas had other kids besides the 5 UPs killed on the 18th day or does it mean that the 5UPs killed were married and had kids of their own. The people mentioned above are their descendants?

If this was the case, why is only Parikshit mentioned as the Pandava heir?

Originally posted by: ashne

This is interesting. Does this mean that Drau and Pandavas had other kids besides the 5 UPs killed on the 18th day or does it mean that the 5UPs killed were married and had kids of their own. The people mentioned above are their descendants?

If this was the case, why is only Parikshit mentioned as the Pandava heir?

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

The Pandavas definitely had other kids, who are listed in Sambhava Parva.

• Yudisthir had Yaudeha from his other wife Devika (daughter of Shibi)
• Bhima had Sarvaga from Valandhara, princess of Kashi. Ghatotkacha had a son Meghavarma, as per Janemaya
• Arjun had Babruvahana surviving, but he was outside the Pandava kul, like Ghatotkacha.
• Nakul had Nirmitra from Sishupala's sister Karenamati
• Sahadev had Suhotra from a wife Vijaya. She's described as a princess of some 'Madra' (not Shalya's Madra). Sahadev also married Jarasandha's daughter, so he may well have had a son from her as well.

It's not mentioned whether any of the above sons took part in the war (Babru didn't) or survived it or not.

Nonetheless, Parikshit may have been chosen in the event that there were other candidates b'cos he signified an alliance b/w Indraprastha, Dwarka and Matsya.