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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: abhijitbasu


Karna was a great and magnanimous hero with some strikingly negative sides, and the original epic enlivens this human mix in him so that his trials and tribulations and his Purushakaara impact so palpably on us. But I have talked a lot. And of course I may not be infallible in my assessment. Regards.


Sir thanks for the wonderful analysis

Could you also please share your opinion on Karna as a tragic hero

I have discussed Karna's charcter with many people over the years and many of them are of the view that Karna's tragedy is exaggerated.Because he did become a king and led a royal life and didn't struggle much in life because he did get parashuram as his teacher ultimately.

Personally i still think of karna as tragic hero becuase he was born a kshatriiya yet struggled to get a place in the royal world that was rightfully his.Because he hated his own brother's his whole life and when the truth was revealed it was too late to do anything much.In my humble opinion this is the tragedy of karna's lIfe.Had his identity been revealed at right time his life would have been very different

SO just was curious to know if some one as knowledgeable as you do you view karna as a tragic hero?


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Posted: 11 years ago
I have started reading the book "Bharata Paryatanam " by Kutti Krishna Marar.. One very senior person recommended this book to me ..

It is an old book , first published in 1950 , it is an critical analysis of Mahabharat , may be first of its kind ... Start is interesting ... , the book is again in malayalam and I dont think there is an English translation .. that is unfortunate ...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Parva is an imaginative reconstruction which impressed me in parts. The initial story of old Shalya and the depiction of the uninhibited ways of the Madra people and girls is interesting, So also are the episodes of Pandu's pravrajyaa and the kshetraja births of his sons through the agency of visiting Devas of superior race. But thereafter the story drags for long stretches with details on peripheral matters. On the whole, I agree with you that the book is somewhat 'depressing' in that the thrill of MB is just not there. Vyasa's MB (with or without its interpolations) is a great epic, and a great epic is best enjoyed when the reader follows Coleridge's advice to 'willingly suspend disbelief' of the supernatural.
This is so true sir. No wonder, tales like Harry Potter also have an universal appeal

Similarly, stripping the supernatural and fantasy out of the MB reduces it's universal appeal and acceptance by the larger section of the society.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: abhijitbasu


That precisely is the point. Yudhishthir lacks the glamour of Arjun or Karna, but arguably he is the MB's undeclared protagonist (leaving aside Krishna's transcendental role). After all, the epic's sublime denouement of bodily ascent to heaven features Yudhishthir, and Yudhishthir alone. The theme is dealt with in one full chapter (titled 'Pilgrim's Progress') of my book. Your point regarding his addiction to dice has been a matter of debate. One ethnological explanation is that of Gerrit Held: Dice-play was the means of circulation of tribal wealth (in ancient India and Iran), and Yudhishthir as the Dharmaraja, or acclaimed upholder of tradition had to accept a call to dice, which was also deemed as a Kshatriya point of principle. What really impresses me (and others too) is the way Y keeps learning from the visiting sages and from his own experience and graduates to the level of a true Jnani, a scholar extraordinaire. His answers to the questions put by the baka-yaksha constitute the quintessence of the MB as a sourcebook of liberated wisdom.


Thank you Sir. Your explanation is quite insightful and helps explain a lot of things. The actions that the characters take in the epic must be be understood in the context of those times. What is also remarkable is Yudisthir's determination to learn dice during the Pandavas' exile and his eventual mastering of the game. I am guessing that once the dice game was accepted by Yudisthir, which was required by kshatriya protocol, he became embroiled in gambler's fallacy, and went on a staking spree in the hope that the wheels of fate would turn in his favour at some point, as he had lost at every throw before. But sadly, this never occurred till the very end.
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Posted: 11 years ago
I am reading arjuna saga of a pandava warrior prince. I find it really close to kmg version. though its named arjuna still it tells story in factual way without any bias(or if there is I am yet to find) . I liked this approach of author. she has not given any viewpoint trying to justify him.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Sabhayata


Sir thanks for the wonderful analysis

Could you also please share your opinion on Karna as a tragic hero

I have discussed Karna's charcter with many people over the years and many of them are of the view that Karna's tragedy is exaggerated.Because he did become a king and led a royal life and didn't struggle much in life because he did get parashuram as his teacher ultimately.

Personally i still think of karna as tragic hero becuase he was born a kshatriiya yet struggled to get a place in the royal world that was rightfully his.Because he hated his own brother's his whole life and when the truth was revealed it was too late to do anything much.In my humble opinion this is the tragedy of karna's lIfe.Had his identity been revealed at right time his life would have been very different

SO just was curious to know if some one as knowledgeable as you do you view karna as a tragic hero?




Certainly Karna is a great tragic hero. Indeed, he is in a sense the greatest tragic hero of the MB (surely more so than Duryodhana), just as Bheeshma is the greatest abnegating hero of the epic. In my book, there is one chapter which is titled 'Exalting Tragedy', with reference to a comment by Edith Hamilton (the classicist) that the pioneering Greek tragedy of Aeschylus has the 'strange power to exalt and not depress'. MB in general, and Karna in particular eminently qualify in that classical test of a great tragedy and a great tragic hero. Karna, as I earlier mentioned, is the one shining example of purushakara in MB - a self-made man, whose whole life was one great struggle against an unconscionably cruel fate. Cast away at birth (in a basket) like the Biblical Moses, Karna, like Moses, carved an exalted place for himself in the galaxy of the world's most illustrious heroes. Ironically, for all the insults heaped on him by the Kuru royalty, his name figures with solitary splendour (vi-a-vis all his epic contemporaries) in the genealogy of kings given in the Vishnu-Purana. Karna's greatest tragedy perhaps was that he was, as was alluded to by Krishna, the right man on the wrong side'. He placed mitra dharma (duty as a loyal friend to benefactor Duryodhana) above the ultimate dharma (of aiding the righteous side). His glaring lapses - like the abominable part played by him in the humiliation of Draupadi, or in the collective slaughter of Abhimanyu - are also due to this tragic confusion of duties; otherwise he was too noble a person to stoop to such uncharacteristically low levels. At times he also seems conceited and arrogant. But that conceit, that arrogance, was the reaction of a heroic but sensitive soul to a prejudiced society's dismissive rejection of his exceptional abilities. And in the final hurly burly of war, his punctilious Kshatriya ethics (in refusing the fortuitous help from the vengeful serpent Ashvasena) put to shame the lack of it on the part of the Krishna-Arjuna combine. Karna's death is arguably one of the noblest among all the world's tragic heroes, as is strikingly validated by this wonderful verse on his decapitation in MB: "Then, the exquisitely handsome body of Karna of generous acts, who was worthy of perpetual happiness, let go of that head (of solar refulgence) with the kind of extreme reluctance that is evinced by a wealthy person in leaving his own prosperous home, and by a saintly one in forsaking virtuous company."
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: srishtisingh

I am reading arjuna saga of a pandava warrior prince. I find it really close to kmg version. though its named arjuna still it tells story in factual way without any bias(or if there is I am yet to find) . I liked this approach of author. she has not given any viewpoint trying to justify him.


Good. I know that book by Anuja Chandramouli inside out, because I happened to be its humble editor!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: abhijitbasu


Good. I know that book by Anuja Chandramouli inside out, because I happened to be its humble editor!


I love that book! I loved her interpretation where Arjuna reflects on his love for Draupadi in the end. Not too many authors ever talk about his feelings for Draupadi. I have reason to believe that Arjun loved her as much as Bhima but didn't express for obvious reasons. For him, the unity of his brothers was always first priority
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: abhijitbasu


Good. I know that book by Anuja Chandramouli inside out, because I happened to be its humble editor!



yeah sir I saw ur name on it 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
This thread has answers to many of my questions. I'm glad i've come across this.
The most important thing I have read about Yudisthir and that he is not addicted to gambling. It was a kshatriya protocol to accept it when invited.

But i have read it somewhere that it was an oath taken by him not to reject a game of dice when called for, perhaps at rajasuya yagna or after completing the education, i'm not sure. It was just like how Arjuna too oath to kill anyone who'd ask him to give up his Gandiva. Please enlighten me on this. Also are there any such oaths taken by other pandavas, i.e Bhim, Nakul and Sahadev?

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