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Posted: 11 years ago

#121

Originally posted by: india2050

At least for me there is some doubt whether Karna actually called Draupadi "a wh***". The Sanskrit shloka has the word "Bandhaka"

The worst meaning of "Bandhaka" that I could find was "courtesan". Ofcourse its upto individuals to interpret the way they like, I am not here to change anybody's opinion.

Thanks for pointing that out, I too have come across it before. But that doesn't really change the fact that he did play a role in instigating Draupadi's vastraharan in public.

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Ashwini_D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#122

Originally posted by: DrModel
But even I pick and choose what i want to believe from different versions I have read.

There are things about Jaya I love so I keep them with me; things about PoI I like and so those stay with me, things I like in Arjuna, the pregnant king, etc. You get the gist. If the CVs do not like EVERY single event in the Indonesian Mb then they have full rights to ignore those and take bits they like. it is THEIR show. And they are getting the TRPs required.

harsh truth: TEN people on a forum acting like a high school clique where anyone who has a different POV is chased off is not going to change the CVs screenplay. This does not mean the entire Indian diasphora is rejecting MB. It is getting the desired TRPs and is top 5. As it is last week they were shooting scenes from Dwarka with Subhi and Arjun so they are quite far ahead to what they are showing.

I just fail to understand why it is still being watched if people find it that bad; there are numerous other options on tv at the same timeslot

And I do not mean to be rude but man I can take only so much negativity

It is great that you are bringing forth a different point of view. And you are right, we should not mock Starbharat for borrowing stuff from other versions of MB. Until recently, some of the plot points that I thought were complete figments of the C.V's imagination, turned out to be from other versions of MB. After having gone through this thread, I must say that I (and some others too, from what I have read of their posts) don't really mind C.V's adding their own subplots, characters, etc. After all they are contributing to the long history and the literary tradition of interpolations to the epic. (and no I do not mean this sarcastically)

But having said this, as a viewer, I have a right to expect that Star Plus present me a version which is consistent and logical within it's own internal universe and do away with 21st century ideals and morals that do not fit in the kind of society that they are depicting in the show. Had they come up with a unified whole from the bits and pieces taken from other versions and their own creative thinking that actually made sense then it would have been a praiseworthy feat indeed.

These are the same things that I expect from any TV show/ film and not just SP's MB.

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Ashwini_D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#123

Originally posted by: Sabhayata
ya what is it about i havent heard of this book so would love to hear about it

I'll just copy paste from good-reads.com as they've explained what her book is about perfectly.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/961520.Yuganta

Yuganta studies the principal, mythical-heroic figures of the Mahabharata from historical, anthropological and secular perspectives. The usually venerated characters of this ancient Indian epic are here subjected to a rational enquiry that places them in context, unravels their hopes and fears, and imbues them with wholly human motives, thereby making their stories relevant and astonishing to contemporary readers. Irawati Karve, thus, presents a delightful collection of essays, scientific in spirit, yet appreciative of the literary tradition of the Mahabharata. She challenges the familiar and formulates refreshingly new interpretations, all the while refusing to judge harshly or venerate blindly.

In her essays she also writes about some of the social and moral value systems that may have been present at that time. If I'm not wrong, she won a Sahitya Academy award for this book.

I'll urge anyone who wishes to read a rational analysis of the actions of major characters from MB, to read this book. It is not clouded by unnecessary romanticism and does not add fictional motivations to the characters as it is not a point of view narrative. My personal favourite is her essay on Krishna, as she views him as a human first.

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AnjanaYYZ

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Posted: 11 years ago

#124

@Sabhayata - I watched part of P Brook's MB last part... Amba comes to Bhisma. B says night after night I wait for you. Amba tells him she is dead-years of tapysa on her toe and then burnt in fire. She is now reborn as a man called "Shikandi"... but, the man has her woman's heart!😉 She has thought of nobody else! *hint hint^ 😆

Bhisma tells Yuddhi & Arjuna that Shikandi can kill him with an arrow. Next day Arjuna tries to get Shikandi to fire arrow at Bhisma who accepts death at S's hand. Shikandi can't fire his arrows at B! Arjuna steps in an fires for him... till B is on his arrow bed.

@Vrish - saw Abhimanyu's wife b4 his death -- based on ethnicity/features it could be Virata's daughter. Not clear.

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Posted: 11 years ago

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I wonder whether anybody has read/heard of the story about Bhima once enlightening Yudisthir - this happened I think after the war.

One day, some Brahmins came to visit Yudisthir, but for some reason or the other, he decided to postpone that meeting and ask them to meet him the next day. On hearing that, Bhima started beating a drum and ordered city-wide celebrations throughout Hastinapur. A curious Yudisthir asked him the reason for that, and Bhima told him that he had apparently conquered death, for the following reasons:

He never lied, and always kept his word
He promised the Brahmins that he'd meet them the next day

In other words, Yudisthir knew that he'd be alive the next day. So he had attained immortality. Yudisthir realized his mistake, and announced that he'd meet the Brahmin's then only. He also congratulated Bhima for his insight

Anybody else heard this story, and know where it came from?

{Personally, I thought this story was moronic: people defer decisions all the time - that doesn't mean that they are immortal. It's just that everything can't be done then & there. Like Bhima too had earlier vowed that he'd one day kill Duryodhan & Dushashan, so Bhima too assumed that he would be alive until then: did that mean that Bhima had attained immortality? }

Anjana

From the credits, it's obvious that Peter Brook had Abhimanyu's wife be someone other than Virata's daughter. Even if in the original, they were one & the same person.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#126

agree that other povs might b engaging butit never changes ur favourism or dislike towards someone. for example I am able to accept the facts which suit my taste or let us say biasness and reject other.after hearing so much about POI I gave it a try.I accept its an engaging book and few bits really have made impression on me but still my mind rejected drau n karma love angle.if you go by book it may seem like it was true but my earlier pov supercedes in the case of contradiction with other povs.also liking a character or disliking a character cannot b forced upon anybody , here no logic works.hence I have a biased mind

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#127

Well i am reading this book these days Randamoozham by Vasudevan Nair.Its basically Mahabharat from Bheem's perspective

I have generally liked htis book even though it has some major deviations.But like in all books written from a character's POV other character's are villainized to create more sympathy for the central character.Guess who has been villianized in this?Draupadi.She is katherine 2.0 in this book(for those who dont know katherine is a character from The vampire diaries who uses and manipulates people who love her).Draupadi is so much like her that at times its unbeleivable.Draupadi highly favours arjuna which unlike in the epic is not at all subtle here.Bheema knows it very well.She never treats Bheema properly but Bheema seems to be absolutely submissive to her.The only one time she is slightly romantic towards Bheems is becuase she wants to convince him to wrestle with Jarasandh instead of Arjuna in order to save Arjuna's life without caring what happens to Bheem.And Bheem despite knowing this fact submissively agees to her.Even when Bheema gets her those flowers during exile she heartlessly throws it away yet Bheema's love for her remains strong as ever.Draupadi has been converted into an absolute villain in this.So it was a very difficult book for me to read considering i am a draupadi fan

But Bheem fans who arent found of Draupadi will like this book i think

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Devashree

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Posted: 11 years ago

#128

Originally posted by: Sabhayata
Well i am reading this book these days Randamoozham by Vasudevan Nair.Its basically Mahabharat from Bheem's perspective

I have generally liked htis book even though it has some major deviations.But like in all books written from a character's POV other character's are villainized to create more sympathy for the central character.Guess who has been villianized in this?Draupadi.She is katherine 2.0 in this book(for those who dont know katherine is a character from The vampire diaries who uses and manipulates people who love her).Draupadi is so much like her that at times its unbeleivable.Draupadi highly favours arjuna which unlike in the epic is not at all subtle here.Bheema knows it very well.She never treats Bheema properly but Bheema seems to be absolutely submissive to her.The only one time she is slightly romantic towards Bheems is becuase she wants to convince him to wrestle with Jarasandh instead of Arjuna in order to save Arjuna's life without caring what happens to Bheem.And Bheem despite knowing this fact submissively agees to her.Even when Bheema gets her those flowers during exile she heartlessly throws it away yet Bheema's love for her remains strong as ever.Draupadi has been converted into an absolute villain in this.So it was a very difficult book for me to read considering i am a draupadi fan

But Bheem fans who arent found of Draupadi will like this book i think

So, Bhim is Damon and Arjuna is Stefan.😆

I was reading some online book about Panchakanyas and I loved how they have written about Kunti. Its like she was manipulative and cunning. Like sharing Draupadi between her five sons was her masterstroke for keeping them united. It also had another motive, her Bahu wont ever taunt her about being with multiple men.😉 It also said, that Yudhisthir's father could be Vidur as even he was called Dhramaraj and it was legal it have niyog with your younger Brother-In-Law. I am not sure about it, it was just the author's theory. I liked this manipulative, cunning Kunti over the weepy, saintly Kunti that is normally portrayed.😆

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Medha.S

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Posted: 11 years ago

#129

Originally posted by: ashwi_d
I just found this thread and am posting again what I posted before in another thread. Has anybody over here read Bibek Debroy's translation of the Mahabharat? It is the English translation of the critical edition/Poona edition compiled by the Bhandarkar Institute in Pune. It differs from he KMG translation in some respects.
I have heard that the critical edition does not have the episode of Draupadi rejecting Karna by calling him a 'sutaputra'. Instead, he fails in performing the task.

If this is true, then it adds further to Karna's misdeeds, as he had no excuse to participate in Draupadi's vastraharan.

Ok.

Had you given a link for MB resources?

Because i was just going through one, and there it states that in Malyalam retelling of MB, Karna along with Shalya, Shishupal and Jarasandh simply fails in the Swayamvar ...

And also it wrote explicitly about Aswathhama not having milk to drink 🤓

In the disrobing incident, Draupadi's call to Krishna is described that is followed by the verbal abuse of Draupadi by Karna followed by calls for help by Draupadi addressed to Yama, Indra, Wind, Asvins, Bhisma, Drona, Gandhari and Dhrtarastra.

Followed by??

Also, does Vyas MB narrates her call for help to these mentioned people??

Also in Karna Parva, Bheema's recounts of all the wrongs done by the Kauravas and includes the Disrobing incident.❓

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Devashree:Bheema is pre vampire damon when it comes to Draupadi ready to accept anyhting she asks

Actually in this book pandavas father's are actually humans and not god's which kunti reveals to them at the end.Karna is actually son of a sutputra whom kunti met when she was in durvasa's asharam,Yudhistir is Vidura's son hence Vidura was always pro pandavas and Bheema is son of a Kiratha with strength of 1000 elephants

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