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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

How was Amba crooked? Just b'cos of her enmity w/ someone the Kurus all worshipped? Sorry, but in my book, Bheeshma wasn't a saint.

In fact, how was Amba's situation that different from Sita's, other than Sita being married & Amba being single? Yeah, unlike Ravan, Bheeshma did release Amba, but Amba was willing to undergo whatever consequences happened: when Shalva rejected her, she was willing to marry Vichu. When Vichu turned her down, then she turned towards Bheeshma. Having abducted her, Bheeshma did have the responsibility to get her a husband. Which he didn't, and hence, Amba's struggle for justice.

Madri was pretty innocent, and probably told Kunti about her being partial only so that she could atone for being the cause of Pandu's death by dying instead of Kunti. Don't believe the excrement they showed about her in this serial. If you read the MB, it was Kunti who was jealous of her, and lashed out @ her for having twins. In fact, Kunti was purely evil and ought to have died long b4 she really did - maybe @ Varnavarta.


If Bheeshma is not a saint in your book then it's your personal problem based on biased mentality. India has always worshiped him as a real saint who could sacrifice everything for others, he spent his whole life within luxury but it could not touch him. Only a real tyagi can handle such a situation.

Please, I can never even think to compare Sita Mata with Amba, God save me! My devotion to Sita (the Mother of Universe) cannot allow me to compare Her even with Draupadi (a great woman but always full of anger). & Amba is a completely complex girl. when Bheeshma defeated Shaalwa raaj, why was she silent? Why was she silent until she understood that Bichitrabirya would marry her & not Bheeshma? I will say, she really fell for Bheeshma, but when found that Bichitrabirya would marry her then only she expressed her love to Shaalwaraaj, what a pure love 😆 if Bheeshma married her then she remained silent forever regarding her love, I am almost sure.

I do not believe this serial as I have read the original epic. Yes I am not a mahagyani like you but I always try to realize each character's situation & mentality neutrally. It's necessary to understand a character perfectly. Otherwise we can never love or hate a character just by his or her one or two statements or activities. For example, you must treat Karna as a saint/good person but I dislike him, but this is personal view. A serious researcher must reject this personal emotion & should think neutrally.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: smrth

There is another reason to loathe him. Dice game is not the first incident when he disrespected human rights of other persons. Before it at Swayanwara he endorsed 'commodification' of Draupadi. First under the pretext of a 'mother's order' and then he actively saw that it gets executed- with most far fetched and inane examples. Even if they participated equal and individual, but when once Arjun won and Draupadi acquiesced, thereafter how can he, supposed epitome of Dharma, would even consider such possibility about 'wife' of his younger Brother? Or justify sharing his wife? It is unjust to that brother. And it is unjust and insult both to Draupadi. It borders almost on sly considering his great 'desire' for the maiden throughout...


Absolute!!👏👏 and I feel Yuddhishtir possessed a misguided sense of Dharma!

Here I would like to quote few lines from Valmiki Ramayan.

This scene occurs when Shri Ram hits Vali with his arrow and Vali questions Rama's propriety.

Rama's elucidation of dharma to Vali

"It is to be known by him who treads the way of righteousness that he has three fatherly personages, namely his own father, his elder brother, and the one who accords education to him.An younger brother, a son, and a disciple with good characteristics, these three are to be deemed as one's own sons, for such matters take base on rectitude alone.The probity practised by principled people is very subtle and highly imponderable, and the soul that abides in the hearts of all beings alone can differentiate between just and unjust.I will clarify about the words I have said, but I tell you that it is indeed inapt of you to disdain me just out of your outrage.Realise this reason by which I have eliminated you... you misbehaved with your brother's wife, forsaking the perpetual tradition.While the great-souled Sugreeva is still alive, you with your habit of sinful acts have lustily misbehaved with Sugreeva's wife Ruma, who should be counted as your daughter-in-law.Thereby, oh, vanara, this punishment is imposed on you, for your dissolute sinning in abusing your brother's wife, thereby for your transgression of tradition and virtue.I foresee no other kind of control other than punishment to him who conducts himself contrary to the society and who is deviant of conventions.As a Kshatriya emerged from a best dynasty I do not tolerate your wrongdoing, and the punishment to the one who lustfully indulges with his daughter, or with his sister, or with the wife of his younger brother is his elimination."

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Posted: 11 years ago
@ smrth & Cool-n-Fresh:

Dear friends, please read that part carefully from original epic once again & try to realize that situation. It's very easy to criticize a character but there is difficulty to understand the particular character's POV.

Bhim & Arjun took Draupadi to Kunti's room & said, see mother, what we have brought today' the word what' made Kunti think that they are talking of alms. So if Draupadi was considered as a commodity then we may rather blame Bhim & Arjun but not Yudhishthir. When Kunti realized what mistake had she performed (though mistakenly, not looking at Draupadi at all), she rushed to Yudhishthir only for a solution. She told, I have told this without seeing her, so please son, find out a proper solution so that neither a lie can touch me nor this girl become a sinner', this means Kunti wanted to keep both sides. But just think; was it possible for anyone to keep both sides simultaneously in that case? If Draupadi was saved from polyandry then Kunti would be liar, & if Kunti was saved from lie then Draupadi would have to marry all pandavas, right? Kunti created such a problem to Yudhishthir that the poor Dharmagyani felt really helpless & could not think any solution at that moment. He remained silent for sometimes.

Thinking for a while, Yudhishthir took a good decision & asked Arjun to marry Draupadi, you have won her in swayamvar, so you marry her', but Arjun refused to do so, & that's too not for Kunti's words but completely another thing. Arjun said, it's not possible brother. You are eldest & should be married first, then brother Bhim & then it will be my turn. How can I marry before you two?' now think, what else to do at this circumstance?

Also, there was another problem. Draupadi fell in love with all of them while looking at them & all pandavas too fell with her & looked at her lovingly. Yudhishthir noticed that. He was afraid of hampering their unity for a girl. Unity was the strength of pandavas, as eldest pandav it was Yudhishthir's responsibility to save it. This was the main reason behind taking the final decision. Last but not the least, he remembered then whatever the great sage Vyas had told few days before (Vyas Dev said, the princess of Paanchal is destined to be the wife of you 5, so you must go there'), he knew that Vyas's words were not false.

And if you blame him to marry his brother's wife, then just think why Shri Ram (who said this to Vaali which you have quoted) happily accepted this marriage? Remember that Shri Ram = Shri Krishna. Actually a true devotee can pass any tough examination taken by God, so pandavas could keep themselves pure even after doing such an unusual marriage.

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Posted: 11 years ago

@ Urmila I respect your POV.

But let me tell you all the Pandavas,during the Swayamvar itself,were struck by Desires(Kama) beholding Draupadi.This was clearly mentioned in VedVyas Mahabahrat.

It was not love it was desire!That desire started crushing their senses.

Love is entirely different.You love your parents, you love your country,you love your siblings,life partner,friends,in-laws,you can even love God.Neither you wed everyone you love nor you need a marriage ritual to love someone.







Edited by Cool-n-Fresh - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
@ Cool-n-fresh


So according to you, you can love everyone, but you can only 'desire' your wife?

If the Pandavas had been so 'crushed by desire' than how is that on the night of the swayamvara - the first night she spent at her husband/s' house - Drishtadyumna found her sleeping separately / peacefully.


If the Pandavas had been so 'crushed by desire' then that night they would have been talking about the woman who was now their wife. But no, they were talking about mystical weapons, war formations, horses and elephants.


True, they were faced with a strange predicament, but once resolved, they put it behind them. They did not keeping thinking about Draupadi . They did not agonize about how they would 'share' her etc etc. In fact they put the whole issue behind them turned to other matters


If the Pandavas had been 'crushed by desire' they would not have been content to have only one child each from Draupadi. They would not have been able to observe brahmachrya during their 13 year exile.


Edited by varaali - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: srishtisingh

k slightly off topic but is there a character in mb who is not so complex?who is completely good or bad? whose actions cant be questioned?or donot give pain to our mind 😊...
if there is plz tell me.i would love to know.i will do shashtang dandwat pranam to him/her




In that case there is only one person who deserves your shashtang dandavat pranam :

Lord Krishna.

You will be blessed, I can assure you.


Edited by varaali - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: varaali

@ Cool-n-fresh


So according to you, you can love everyone, but you can only 'desire' your wife?

If the Pandavas had been so 'crushed by desire' than how is that on the night of the swayamvara - the first night she spent at her husband/s' house - Drishtadyumna found her sleeping separately / peacefully.

If the Pandavas had been so 'crushed by desire' then that night they would have been talking about the woman who was now their wife. But no, they were talking about mystical weapons, war formations, horses and elephants.

True, they were faced with a strange predicament, but once resolved, they put it behind them. They did not keeping thinking about Draupadi . They did not agonize about how they would 'share' her etc etc. In fact they put the matter behind them turned to other matters.

If the Pandavas had been 'crushed by desire' they would not have been content to have only one child each from Draupadi. They would not have been able to observe brahmachrya during their 13 year exile.



Well said! 👏

Draupadi was destined to be the wife of all five Pandavas, and that is why she married them and Shri Krishna sanctioned the marriage. Urmila11 is right. Shri Ram was none other than Shri Krishna, and if Shri Krishna completely approved of the marriage and even encouraged it, then there is a deeper meaning behind it and people should think in a more spiritual manner. It really irks me when Mahabharat is debated like an ordinary story. It is a purana and everything had a reason behind it. That's why I usually keep away from this forum. For me, Mahabharat is more a spiritual book than an ordinary history book, and I cannot condone the name calling of any character, even the "negative" ones. Even characters like Duryodhan, Shakuni, and Karna served a deeper purpose than meets the eye, and while we may respect or dislike a character due to their actions, it's completely unacceptable (for me at least) to call any of them evil, losers, or other worse names as I've heard in this forum. Just like Starbharat has made this epic like a daily soap, even people in this forum fight with each other like they do in daily soap forums. I wish people would give all the characters of Mahabharat at least basic respect since it is a purana after all, and these people lived in a society far far different from ours.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: varaali




In that case there is only one person who deserves your shashtang dandavat pranam :

Lord Krishna.

You will be blessed, I can assure you.



Varaali, even Lord Krishna is not spared here. Apparently, he was a flawed incarnation of God. 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

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Well said! 👏

Draupadi was destined to be the wife of all five Pandavas, and that is why she married them and Shri Krishna sanctioned the marriage. Urmila11 is right. Shri Ram was none other than Shri Krishna, and if Shri Krishna completely approved of the marriage and even encouraged it, then there is a deeper meaning behind it and people should think in a more spiritual manner. It really irks me when Mahabharat is debated like an ordinary story. It is a purana and everything had a reason behind it. That's why I usually keep away from this forum. For me, Mahabharat is more a spiritual book than an ordinary history book, and I cannot condone the name calling of any character, even the "negative" ones. Even characters like Duryodhan, Shakuni, and Karna served a deeper purpose than meets the eye, and while we may respect or dislike a character due to their actions, it's completely unacceptable (for me at least) to call any of them evil, losers, or other worse names as I've heard in this forum. Just like Starbharat has made this epic like a daily soap, even people in this forum fight with each other like they do in daily soap forums. I wish people would give all the characters of Mahabharat at least basic respect since it is a purana after all, and these people lived in a society far far different from ours.



Well said too👏

If Kunti is the most blemished character, then was Vasudeva too to be blamed for giving such a hasty promise to Kamsa- which caused him to lose six children?


Edited by varaali - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath


Varaali, even Lord Krishna is not spared here. Apparently, he was a flawed incarnation of God. 😆


And we are perfect, are we? 😆

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