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Posted: 11 years ago

#491

Could anyone share the details of Karan's Kavach (armour) and Kundal (earrings)? I read he was born with it. Wouldnt it have raised suspicions about his real parents?

Could he remove it or did he have it on him all the time? That would have made it impossible to disguise as a brahmin!

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rasyafan

@rasyafan

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Posted: 11 years ago

#492

Originally posted by: peridot.
Could anyone share the details of Karan's Kavach (armour) and Kundal (earrings)? I read he was born with it. Wouldnt it have raised suspicions about his real parents?
Could he remove it or did he have it on him all the time? That would have made it impossible to disguise as a brahmin!

He was not born with it but Suryadev gifted to him when Kunti asked him to protect Karn his son and it was attached to his skin that is why when Indra in beggar form asked for it he had to remove it with help of his knife. He was bleeding when he cut it from his chest also he had to cut the kundals he was wearing on his ears there also he was bleeding.
I think everyone was able to see it becasue Indra as begger had asked to give him the kavach he is wearing. Also when Bheeshm revealed that the moment he saw Karan with his kavach he knew that he was a kshatriya and kunti putra Atleast that was shown in old mahabharat. I don't remember whether he said this to karn or kunti. Kunti also able to recognize through his kavach only.

Oh yes how come Parshuram was not able to recognize him when Bheeshm and Kunti recognized him.
If they saw then I am sure even Parshuramji could also have seen it 😕😕😕😕😕

Edited by rasyafan - 11 years ago

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visrom

@visrom

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Posted: 11 years ago

#493

I am really not sure if the kavach was an invisible one like it's shown in this Mahabharat. In that case how would it have suddenly become visible when Indra came to ask for it? the kundals are visible..then how can the kavach be invisible?

Kunti recognizes him through the kavach and kundals. She couldn't have seen an invisible kavach at that time because Karna wasn't in any kind of danger...like the present Mahabharat is showing.

The kavach was definitely visible. Karna was not treated as a Kshatriya as his foster parents were sutas. No one knew who his real parents were. People might have thought that he's an illegally born child and that could be another reason for looking down upon him. (sadly that's how the world is)

Edited by visrom - 11 years ago

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rasyafan

@rasyafan

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Posted: 11 years ago

#494

Coming to Parashuram - he might have seen the kavach and realized that it's a divine one. A divine kavach can be possessed by anyone...why just a Kshatriya? That way, what's the caste of Surya? Do gods have caste?

Hmmm or may be Parshuram was not interested enough or curious enough as to how this divine kavach ended up with this brahmin boy or Most probably he just let it go because he knew that Karn has to play a major role in coming years he was god after all and gods know everything. He even came in Karn's dream just before his death and he told that he deliberately cursed Karn so that he could die. He knew all about him already. So this might be the reason.

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anamika_0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#495

wen karna was born surya dev named him as karna n this name was known to kunti n suryadev only..later kunti sent away the babe in a boat n this babe was brought up by karna's step father... but then how did his father know his name was karna??????????

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Bhavaani

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Posted: 11 years ago

#496

He was named Karna for having divine earrings or some say for his long ears, but generally his foster parents called him Radheya after his foster mother Radha.

Edited by Bhavaani - 11 years ago

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413226

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Posted: 11 years ago

#497

Originally posted by: visrom

Coming to Parashuram - he might have seen the kavach and realized that it's a divine one. A divine kavach can be possessed by anyone...why just a Kshatriya? That way, what's the caste of Surya? Do gods have caste?

Great point made! The pandavas and karna and many more in MB are said to have quite unnatural births ...children of gods, goddess, apsaras, gandharvas, out of dronas, born as adults , etc Since caste was based on parentage how did they determine their caste ? 😕 Did the people back then not think about it? Their weapons seem to be quite advanced so science and technology too must have been far advanced. Besides , I cant help wondering why they still travelled on horsebacks or horse driven chariots if their technology was so advanced!!!

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varaali

@varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#498

Originally posted by: peridot.

Great point made! The pandavas and karna and many more in MB are said to have quite unnatural births ...children of gods, goddess, apsaras, gandharvas, out of dronas, born as adults , etc Since caste was based on parentage how did they determine their caste ? 😕 Did the people back then not think about it? Their weapons seem to be quite advanced so science and technology too must have been far advanced. Besides , I cant help wondering why they still travelled on horsebacks or horse driven chariots if their technology was so advanced!!!

@ red bold :Caste was not determined by the biological father. Caste was based on the father who adopted the child. In the case of Pandu, Dhrit and Vidura their birth father was Veda Vyasa- a brahmin. But they were adopted into the Kuru royal family and hence, they became Kshatriyas.

Similarly, the Pandavas may have been fathered by the Gods, but they were formally adopted by Pandu and hence became Kshatriyas.

Veda Vyasa's case itself is interesting. Though he was born to a fisherwoman, outside wedlock, he was accepted by his father Parashara and duly invested with the sacred thread.

In Karna's case, Adhiratha brought him as a Suta since he had no idea about the real parentage of the child.

Another curious incident was that of Kripacharya / Kripi. They were left abandoned and were brought up by Shantanu- but I think they had distinctive marks upon them that they had been born in a brahmin family. Hence Shantanu ensured that they received all the samskaras necessary for brahmiins

@ Blue: It was not physical science and technology that was advanced, but the power of mantras and spritual energy that was advanced.

Even their chariots were far superior. If you read the descriptions of the chariots, how long they were, how many feet above the ground, it is impossible to construct them in today's world.

Edited by varaali - 11 years ago

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TheWatcher

@TheWatcher

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Posted: 11 years ago

#499

I know this question is stupid but i had to ask

Why we spell arjun as ARJUNA in english and all the other things like krishn is spelled like KRISHNA and almost all the mythological things are spelled like this

Example: Shiv is spelled as SHIVA and many other things

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varaali

@varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#500

Originally posted by: TheWatcher
I know this question is stupid but i had to ask

Why we spell arjun as ARJUNA in english and all the other things like krishn is spelled like KRISHNA and almost all the mythological things are spelled like this

Example: Shiv is spelled as SHIVA and many other things

Arjun is in Hindi - where the 'N' is shortened.

In the original Sanskrit, the 'N' is pronounced fully as 'Na' . It is NOT pronounced 'Naa...' It is just 'Na'

'Arju-Na'. Got it?

Same with Krishna. In hindi you would say "Krish-n". In Sanskrit it becomes "Krish-Na" .

It is NOT pronounced as "Krishnaa" - with an elongated "aaa" at the end.

"Krishnaa" becomes a feminine name- in this case that of Draupadi.

Edited by varaali - 11 years ago