Episode 613 Discussion: 30th June 2014, Monday

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Episode 613 Discussion: 30th June 2014, Monday

Welcome to the Episode discussion thread which we call as Viewer's and Reader's Respite. That's very apt, don't you think ? 😉. And that proves our objective.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Main Geeta per Haath rakh ker kasam khati hu... Jo kuchh kahungi bakwas hi kahungi...😳 😆
Seems like pichhle janam me Dau ji used to do this work in the court only... Tabhi to jab dekho tab Geeta per haath rakh ker kasam khao... 😆

Anyways finally Raja ko akal aayi... and his brain worked... 🥳 Chalo good electric shock ne kuchh to kamaal kiya... 😛 😆

Ok todays episode was good... Madhu ne apne insaan hone ka prove de diya Raja ko bachaker...well I knew she will do that pehle se... 😆
And I knew koi uski baat bhi nhi man'ne wala when she told about Bhanu being real culprit... but chalo isi bahane Raja ke dimag ne to kaam kiya... 😃 I just hope he realize his mistakes too that too soon... and redeem himself...
Anyways ab Radha ji will come back to Mansion I hope ab to kum se kum Madhu ko apne parents ke baare me pata chale... 🤔

The best thing in today episode...Unconscious VD... oop's Raja... ☺️ Isshh !!!! Kash main DD ki jagah hoti... 😳 😆

Precap... I like it...Raja's brain working very fast...Aahaan... 😎 😆
Edited by .Dreamsy. - 11 years ago
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boring epi..full on family nautanki.👎🏼the only good scene was madhu taking oath and says she hates raja and raja saying he loved madhu before but now hates her after taijis death..knew that madhu would save raja but still on blame on her..😡and nobody would believe her that bhanu was behind taijis death..😡precap..chalo raja ko shaq to hua ke some thing is going wrong..👍🏼btw..these kind of epi will never fetch trps and this time it might go below 1..very sad that such a good show like mb will end in such a low note.😔.
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It was not so boring episode, except the unbelievable scene Bhanu is firing Madhu in Mumbai apartment building... these people are truly junglee with no boundaries 😆

I thought Tauji will act more smartly by thinking how Agni knew about electric shock, specially when Madhu mentioned it... but his tube light brain failed to catch it.

Did anyone noticed, Tauji is putting too much makeup or it is my lappy 😕

Agni's over acting is getting in my nerves now... she is like a poisonous snake!

Precap is good, finally Raja's brain is start working 😆
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Had been worried that they'd show just bad flashbacks, and then JM would save Raja. Turns out even in pessimism, underestimated their ability to botch it to ensure the continued status of viewership-lack.
She had bad flashbacks, then verbally described her endurance and sanskaars in self-thought while he was getting electrocuted, and *then* she saved him.
If he had died as she came to the end of her mental self-commendation and finally moved to save him from mortal peril, that would have been a heck of an anticlimax.😕
But since that mess was at the start of the episode, there was an added surety that even if she was scripted for the next several minutes to think at length of her own noble benevolence, the dying man would have waited until the end of the speech to be saved.😆

It was the fastest mutually reciprocated spousal lifesaving exercise, and marked the sheer depression of the episode that we got to see both leads take it in turns almost getting killed.

Just a few minutes after the wife saved the husband from being fatally electrocuted to death, the husband saved the wife from being fatally shot in the head.
And yippee, the almost-killer was the same for both. Cheers for similarity in whatever context.

Anyway, MEIEJ's consistent pattern remains that be it RK or Raja, even if he's just almost died a few minutes or hours back, he'll still manage to get on his feet when he's the only option for rescuing his wife. At least this time wasn't as bad as the farcical paralysis track last year which left him stumbling only occasionally where plot-convenient.

On the upside, the backfiring track-planning of this episode has the assurance of having elevated Raja to a most loving husband by mass-audience standards.

JM having bad flashbacks, holding back from saving Raja long enough that he and the mass-audience can notice clearly and incontrovertibly that she held back, and then saving him, was presumably in the hope that the mass-audience - which didn't sympathize enough after the deed itself to permit the crusading-wife track's continuance - would sympathize with a flashback of the incident.

Mass-audience has a stellar trackrecord of ensuring very good viewership for the female lead wife covering up that incident immediately, preserving the family's prestige, and gradually reconciling with the male lead husband.
The wife in this situation did everything mass-audience does not bother to watch of the female lead when the deed was between the lead couple.
So it's bizarre that the CVs scripted a flashback of the incident with the wife watching the husband dying for sometime before deciding on being humane and saving his life.
JM was assured of losing mass-empathy when the previous track showed her progressively crusading rather than reacting in the mass-appreciated regressive way by covering up.
So what the heck was the point of hoping for mass-sympathy via flashback when mass-sympathy has never come in the actual incident?
Mass-support for the female lead grows wonderfully *after* she covers up the incident, not for her repudiating her marriage before and after the incident and talking of humaneness rather than honouring her marriage.

Raja believed JM deliberately let his Baiji die to have revenge against him.
He now saw her standing back and watching him in agony.
Whether or not she helped him after that, he should have believed absolutely that the incident was her doing, and that she may have had cold feet at the the thought she would be the only suspect in the house if anything happened to him.
His not believing that, but actually believing her innocent of what he just endured, has a backfiring assurance as mass-audience can be counted on to extol him for being a most loving husband who has faith in his contrary wife even when the evidence is against her.
And if - as per the precap - he also goes against logic and believes her about Bhanu, then he may stand as a paragon of husbandly excellence by mass-audience's standards.

So the CVs - by having JM hold back with bad flashbacks and self-commendation - haven't ensured mass-appreciation for her greatness in then saving him.
They ensured that Raja would have mass-empathy regardless of whether he reacted positively or negatively to her.
Kudos to them for having just taken Raja past the level of being mass-condoned to being mass-appreciated, though one presumes that has not been their intent.

JM and Raja may both have given speeches about her mahaanta in saving him, but by standing back for a considerable length of sentences and *then* saving him, she got stuck at the non-mahaan level usually held by supporting characters, rather than the pedestal female leads are expected to stand gloriously and unfalteringly on.
Hindi serials have a knack for either not even remotely adequately massive viewership or the most conservatively idealized female leads, who fight progressively for everyone except themselves.
'Normal girl' characters get to be supporting characters, and the series success counts on its female lead jettisoning 'normal girl' traits to be a paragon.
The more progressive the female lead is shown vis-a-vis her own life, the more the mass-viewership gets shaky in its viewership's chances of steadfastly upward-climbing.

And to try to have Raja's defence and approbation of JM not look quite as hollow, they even had to edit his dratted flashback of the rescue.

So if they could understand that JM going running to save him, then backing off and standing back with a disgusted expression for an incontrovertibly noticeable amount of time, and *then* moving to actually save him...
If they knew it would make her look bad to the massive mostly conservative nonfandoms mass-audience, then why the heck did they show it in the episode?

What good does it do to show it at length in the episode - with Raja and mass-audience clearly seeing and noticing how long she took in the standing-back phase - and then try to remedy that blunder by cutting out her standing-back phase from Raja's flashback?

He wasn't looking totally comprehending during her running to him from a distance, but he was looking disbelievingly very comprehending when she reached right in front of him and then stood back and watched him getting electrocuted for some time before saving him.

On a far more nonfatal scale, one might consider that after kicking in the chawl-apartment's door, Raja should have reacted to seeing JM falling by thinking at length of his Baiji on her funeral bier, and then *finally* reached out a hand to stop her from falling.
He might not have stopped her from falling, but he could have been damn sure the fall wasn't fatal even if he delayed in lengthy self-thought.
He really should have been having flashbacks of Baiji's funeral bier everytime he saw JM.

But there is no need for such sympathy-gambits for his reason, to try to get mass-empathy.

He may be mass-expected to feel apologetic about blaming her for Baiji's death because that is the *only* offence that's going to look a bit unfortunate as far as mass-audience's phenomenally unprogressive sensibilities and proven viewership trackrecord are concerned.

Everything else on JM's long list of accusations against him are all absolutely assured of not even counting.
Even if JM had been the image of docility and had yet been brutally mistreated as she has been, she would have been mass-expected to promptly forgive him - with excellent viewership for her that mahaan traditionally pleasing reaction.

Female leads are expected to forgive all of that and a few worse things as well, without pausing at length to praise herself for her noble virtues, while the husband is dying - especially if the female lead has been the epitome of marriage-repudiating mass-unappreciable confrontational during the duration, with all crusading tracks having to close down since she's the unique female lead who endures mostly disrespectfully and plots and crusades ardently for her own rights.
In real life, it's the attitude women should be commended for having.
In serials female lead, it's an attitude that has a guarantee of closing down every track since most of the majority-audience are not even remotely egalitarian or progressive about women's rights. That may hopefully change in future, but trying to forcefeed tracks against the taste of the current majority-audience is an unfortunately unreassuring certainty of massively inadequate viewership ensuring the close of the track.

Radha will be back in RK Mansion, but hopefully the 'jungli jaanwar' and other such discomfitingly uncouth epithets will not be provided for JM *or* Radha, as they backfiringly present a worryingly rude and mass-unappreciably offputting tone for both ladies.
There are enough of the mass-audience to concur with Raja's family's ways rather than JM's progressive notions, and vicariously describing a substantial massive amount of the needed audience in derogatory terms seems a rather unfortunate vanity the track might perhaps prudently avoid selfindulging in future.

Since no track ever gets on screen without the channel permitting it as sure to garner adequate millions of viewership commensurate with the screentime, rather confounded just how in the world any of the consecutive foreseeably viewership-crashing ideas ever got on the screen every consecutive week for so very many months, ensuring the only upside that even the TRP possibly falling from 1+ spectrum to less than 1 would be staggeringly nonawkward as it would still be in the same range of petrifying viewership as the channel's total range of fictional serials. And MEIEJ has had no new promo since almost 40 days now.

If it wasn't DVD enacting this mess foreseeably sure throughout of getting drastically inadequate millions of viewership, would have tuned out not just for this episode but much earlier. Kudos to both of them for carrying such stuff through.
Commendable evidence that the most unfortunate track-ideas can survive even without promotion if the lead pairing has the capability to raise it up.
Watched this episode for the lead actors (the supporting actors are very competent, but the track is messy), and will be watching the next episodes as well.

Edited by leelaa9 - 11 years ago
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I don't have much to add, I guess I was expecting a little more from today's episode,I wanted the two leads to react quickly and save each other and not indulge in so much thinking LOL, see I know things are somehow handled in logical way in this particular situation, I mean Madhu if she sees him as a rapist who tortures her and her family then yes hate feeling and even wishing his death can be a normal feeling but isn't he Raju too the guy with him she had many beautiful moments, even as Raja he always tried to save her, he saved her from Ak, Leelawati, he was ready to make her his queen, rituals for him were only a part of traditions not torture, but the rape incident spoiled it all and the fact that Madhu almost never showed a soft corner towards him not even before the rape just made things worst for me.

As a person who expects a love story between these two , I would have really liked her to save him because of some feelings related to him (flashbacks of the good things he did for her be it as Raju or Raja, as Raja would have been even more welcomed) and not because of humanity or rather her dida's sanskar!! See even he thought she is responsible for his Baiji's death yet in the Diya scene he hesitated, he actually wasn't even going to lit it and she tried to instigate him and he was going away, then he remembered his Taiji and lit it but he couldnt bear her pain (not a deadly one by the way) and he tried to help her but she kept instigating him and when he couldn't bear her pain as well as his ego being hurt he went from there, here it was shown that there are feelings that are making him behave this way not any sanskar , that's why we liked that scene!!

I expected Raja to be more clever and suspect Bhanu that time itself, and look more into the matter of the electric wires, I expected him to look around him, but it's ok I guess I expected him to act as a super intelligent man when he has just gotten an electric shock that could have taken his life😆, so I hope the precap isn't misleading and by the way why would Raja trust Bhanu, he never seemed to really like him especially when the man who killed his parents told him about Bhanu

Anyways I just want the pace to increase, I want madhu to soften , actually my biggest problem since Raja's entry was that Madhu almost never shows that she is attracted or has some feelings towards Raja, I'm talking about the period before the rape, this is something that bothers me a lot, in all love-hate stories, the heroine actually cares and is attracted to the hero, RK was humiliating Madhu during the "Aa Zara Kareeb se" sequence, yet she lost herself because of his touch for some time during that dance, even Rk did, and they came out of the trance only after the audience clapped, so I really miss this, I don't mind hate, but I should feel there is something more.

Let's see what happens next I hope to see two things : Intelligent Raja and of course who can see where he went wrong, and a softer Madhu who starts to develop feelings for him


ETA :
Do you still remember when senior Madhu saved Rk from the light that was about to fall on him in 2012; weren't they hating each other, yet they were so lost in each other, we were feeling that there is something even more stronger than their own wills that is binding them together, I know the rape thing is what spoiled things, but if i'm to believe there will be a love stroy between Jr RM I should see things like with sr RM that hate is there but there is maybe something stronger underneath, that's what makes the story enjoyable
Edited by arshisfan - 11 years ago
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