Episode 595 Discussion: 9th June 2014, Monday - Page 5

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Desperate times call for desperate measures. MB is dying and this is the desperate measure CVs have taken to save the show. Lets face it, how can a show run on the 8.30 pm slot with a TRP of 1.2?

I won't go into the rights and wrong of it. After many days today I wanted to watch the episode after reading the WU. Because my curiosity was piqued. I wanted to see how the CVs had executed something so shocking. Am I repulsed? Yes. Do I want to watch tomorrow's episode without reading the WU first? YES!

That's what is most important right now. That the audience really really wants to know what happens next. How they take things from here will make or break the show. All the best CVs!

PS. I think what Raja said in the morning was his disbelief at Madhu's accusation. He doesn't remember last night and still hasn't realised what he has done. I think (and hope) we will see genuine remorse from him tomorrow.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Leelaa, it is not about judicial system, it is about viewers acceptances!

If this rape happened, most of the viewers are gonna rejects this and will be disgusted!

And according to Indian judicial system, how truly Madhu is gonna put him in jail beyond me... it is something to wait and watch!

I hope CVs have extremely excellent idea 😳
Edited by NeelM - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Neela, this track has already been shown in several serials - a few times almost, sometimes the actual deed. There was no viewership problem, since the female lead wife was shown forgiving. The worse the deed, the greater her forgiveness, the more popular she becomes.
Majority-audience has never seemed to have any qualms since Indian law as well as a substantial part of the population don't consider marital rape as rape at all.

The online and cosmopolitan audience's appreciation or disapprobation is seen because they take the time to express themselves. But the tracks they love and have no problems with are never enough viewership.
Channels which are critically acclaimed for only excellent quality ideas and tracks usually shut down.

The viewership that does come in hugely is for the most backward stuff.
It may only scrape through, if the leads and the lead pairing are not liked.
But if the leads, lead pairing and track are all liked on daily basis by enough crores of people who will never bother to show up online, then those leads will have a minuscule fandom but the series gets worthwhile budget and excellent total crores of viewership.

We may hate a regressive track, but if there's nothing in that track to displease the majority-audience, then the track works.
Far worse has been shown endured by women, and those tracks unfortunately consistently work.
If 'ablaa naari' and 'dutiful wife and bahu' were not superhit concepts innumerable times, they wouldn't be in vogue even now as a pattern that has assurance of success and viability.
The 'bahu who is not devoted and answers back to her husband and in-laws' is a disastrous concept for track-viability because that is the characterization popularly applied to vamps.

We can't make tracks work according to our preferences.
The option we have is to accept that majority-audience's tastes have been unvarying and predictable year after year.
The CVs can decide what reaction they want to garner, and tailor the track accordingly.
Instead, they show whatever they want, and expect that crores of people will change their tastes for the CVs track of a few weeks or months. It always backfires.

Edited by leelaa9 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: leelaa9

The channel/CVs have miscalculated, both in legality and in viewership.

As far as viewership is concerned, they will get good viewership if JM plays ablaa naari, forgives her husband and sticks to her marriage for the sake of her maayka-relatives, he is remorseful, and they reconcile.
The track has got excellent viewership in several serials, without ever manifesting track-support online.
But the CVs seem set on showing something that that audience won't be interested in watching - the wife fighting back, that too on basis of a concept that legally does not exist.

Marital rape is not a legal offence in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Don't know if exception is made for girls under what age in the other countries, but in India, girls under 15 years of age are exception and protected from the ambit.
By law, India does *not* recognize marital rape as a crime unless the wife is younger than 15 years old.
Every attempt to get marital rape considered in the category of rape keeps running into a clear demarcation line which makes non-marital rape a crime, but if the rape has been done by husband against his wife, then it's not considered rape.
So Raja saying that it's not rape if a husband consummates with the wife (regardless of her consent) is legally correct.

The basic law is totally in favour of the husband's right.
The husband has the right to consummate with his wife.
The wife does not have the right to refuse to consummate with the husband.
If the wife refuse to consummate, but the husband forces consummation, the law does not consider it rape.
In marital rape, regardless of the woman being willing or unwilling, it is considered the husband's right to have conventional consummation within the marriage, with the mitigation being that if she would not have objected, he would not have needed to force.

Even if they claim time-leap as excuse in this series, everything else in the story is according to today's times.
So their showing that she gets her husband arrested for something that is legally not a crime...
It's likely to mislead people into thinking there is actually such a law.
This is the one thing that even many developed countries took ages to finally get recognized as a legal offence.

JM only has the option of domestic violence law - not that her husband was wrong to force consummation on her, but that he injured her in other ways during the process.
And the current legal situation's humiliation for women is that if the rape is done with sufficient caution to prevent any other injury to her, then she has no recourse.

Raja can also claim persecution within the marriage by her refusal to consummate. And both can declare the other to be a liar on any number of matters. All that is fine points.
But that dratted promo had been having JM stand and say something which efforts have been on for, but she goes saying it like an existent law, and any number of people seeing it may assume that the act itself is legally a crime, rather than that everything on the periphery has to be used since the act itself is not a legal crime.

The problem here is that they are claiming that she'll be going after him for marital rape, which is not legally considered rape.
The wife actually does not have the option of punishing him for taking her against her will, attempted or otherwise.
It's an ongoing endeavour, but even developed countries took ages on this one.

So legally their great plan to show JM proving that wives have the right to refuse conventional consummation to the husband - it's a mess.
If any women see it and assume it's actually true, they will further find that not only is not true, law will protect them from physical cruelty but not from the husband's 'rightfully' getting consummation.
So they can lie to extreme degrees or they can endure - either way, it's not an inspiring situation.

The CVs are interested in showing something that is financially not viable by any means.
And the more they pit their ideas into this, the less they will look like championing crusaders, and more as legally ignorant idiots who may cause actual hurt to women who may think that what is being shown in the serial is actually legally an option.

So if they want the female lead to emerge mahaan, it has to be through her forgiving this unnecessarily scripted atrocious act, and reconciling.
If she tries to legally punish him, it will be on basis of a law that does not exist in this country.
And beyond that, she would have to lie to an extent where mass-audience may lose all sympathy for her and doubt the original offence as well.
If they had emphasized it as a battle against domestic violence, then the rape scripting was not even remotely needed. So climbing down to domestic violence after finding out that marital rape is not a crime would look awkward for the CVs shoddily written track as well as the fictional story.
This is a disaster, and they should never have opted for scripting this particular social crusade where the main law is not in favour.


This is exactly what I believe the CVs are trying to portray - rape within marriage. With the # of rapes increasing day by day and the movements against it getting stronger and stronger, the CVs have taken over this cause -- what happens behind closed doors. In India, the law doesn't recognize marital rape as a punishable offence ... and maybe that is the awareness they are trying to create. But how they will incorporate the lawlessness in the storyline and how the lovestory will bloom ultimately will be an interesting watch.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: ClosetRomantic

Desperate times call for desperate measures. MB is dying and this is the desperate measure CVs have taken to save the show. Lets face it, how can a show run on the 8.30 pm slot with a TRP of 1.2?

I won't go into the rights and wrong of it. After many days today I wanted to watch the episode after reading the WU. Because my curiosity was piqued. I wanted to see how the CVs had executed something so shocking. Am I repulsed? Yes. Do I want to watch tomorrow's episode without reading the WU first? YES!

That's what is most important right now. That the audience really really wants to know what happens next. How they take things from here will make or break the show. All the best CVs!

PS. I think what Raja said in the morning was his disbelief at Madhu's accusation. He doesn't remember last night and still hasn't realised what he has done. I think (and hope) we will see genuine remorse from him tomorrow.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: river123

Now that I've gotten over my initial shock, I do feel like the CVs have set the stage well for the next track. Should be interesting from this point onwards.



You stole my review Meenu 😆...so I am stealing ur lines...I agree with the above lines totally...I am interested in the dark tale of love to follow.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@momi
Valid point. However In India the legal system is not unaware of marital rape..Recommendation to bring it under rape laws was refused for fear of misuse by false complaints.Even in a recent such case the woman chose to complaint only after a property dispute.. Consummation is a conjugal right.Either of the spouse can sue for cruelty/mental torture if the partner fails to oblige. Anyways this twist? is a TRP gamble rather than Social cause.
@Closet Romantic. You've given NF a better idea to save their hero. He may choose to forget it and claim innocence or even disbelieves JM. But Yes I am also interested in MB's fate. after this fiasco



Edited by subashni - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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damm you cvs..you have officially ruined rajbala today😡..pyaar ko sharmsaar kar diya.aap logon ne😡..dont ever try to play hum hai and ishq hai on raja and rajbala.. again😭..it suits only only on our beloved rk and rishbala...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#49

There Is A Big Possibility Of Madhu Doing this To Win 30 days Bet..
Raja Will Be Disgusted at Mb and drop Her Home.
Madhu Wins The Bet
The Track Will Be Good For Trps I Feel
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Posted: 11 years ago
#50
May be you are right Leelaa!

We are only a few cosmopolitan viewers!, CVs target is the mass viewers who must be waiting to see the forgiveness...
and their thoughts might reflects daisa's thoughts too!

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