Episode 580 Discussion: 22nd May 2014, Thursday - Page 2

well, the episode was awesome...for 12 mins they played choli ke neeche..whatever...and 5 mins chickni chameli

@Najat, abs in love with ur avis

Loved the episode. It was really good.

The episode was too good

The episode was excellent - the leads and ensemble cast performances, the dances with their different contexts and tones, the interactions among the various characters throughout the episode.

The debacle seemed to happen by their insistently not permitting Madhu to understand the obvious, so that she can keep rubbing everyone the wrong way but have the excuse that she didn't know or intend to insult or offend anyone.

There is a huge difference between the pallu on the head, and pallu pulled down as ghoongat/purdah over the face.
The story seems to be confusing the respect of one with the regressiveness of the other.

The pallu on the head symbolizes respect for the family and the elders.
Baiji and her daughters both follow the custom, even though Baiji is the elder of the family.

If at least the daughters were not following the custom, Madhu would have maybe had the option as the junior bahu of not taking the pallu.

Madhu could have been shown taking the obvious middle-route - keep the pallu down, and draw it on the head in Dauji's and Baiji's presence.
Technically, Bhanu, Tara, Faguni and Ashok - as elder to Madhu's husband - also qualify for the same respect, but she could opt out of that.

Raja brought Madhu downstairs against her will.
If he had not, he, his elders and his family would have been subject to scandal, as the new bahu would be absent at her own welcome-party.

Once Madhu arrived at the party and saw Dauji and Baiji there, she could have drawn the pallu to cover her head.
This is not regressive.

Yes, Agni was the one to point it out to Baiji, and Baiji promptly enforced the rule for Madhu rather than continue to give her further time.

But Agni's point would have been valid if Ashok had said it also.
The difference was that he would try to give the new supposedly metropolitan bahu time to adjust to the situation.

Whereas Agni felt the bite of being a married daughter with less heir-claim in the household than Raja Kushwaha's wife.
The few rules that she can equal or goad Madhu, she will seek to push.

Even if Madhu never took the pallu at any other time, she should not have been shown so blind to the situation that she sat in her welcome-party with a blatantly disgusted look on her face, and with her pallu down though the elders of the family were very much there.
It was like getting up and announcing on loudspeaker to everyone gathered there that she does not consider the family or its elders worthy to be shown any respect by her.

She assuredly did not understand or intend such an extreme public insult to all of her husband's relatives, and he is too besotted to consider such obvious nuances while he shields her from consequences of her actions.
But the insult was outrageous enough to goad Baiji.

Many communities and families cover their head while praying or worshipping.
That is not regressiveness. It is respect.
Taking the pallu to cover the head in front of elders is also respect, and in many communities not covering the head while praying or while in the presence of elders is equally disrespectful.

The rules for men and women are frequently different in prayer and in social custom to some extent or other.
But if you go somewhere that covering the head is done by everyone else of your gender, and you ignorantly declare it regressive and refuse to cover your head, it should not be a surprise if people gathered there react adversely to different extents.

Bhanu perhaps might have dared to lay a hand on Madhu as a 'joke' even if she were sitting with the pallu drawn as respectful bahu of the family.
But he would not have been permitted to take it further.

Dauji did not know that Madhu was explained about taking the pallu and deliberately kept her pallu down in the presence of the family-elders at the party.
But Baiji knew that Madhu not taking the pallu was not accidental but a deliberate flouting and insult.
She could not react or stalk over to Madhu and argue in front of everyone, since it would have exacerbated the disrespect Madhu had so casually flung in Dauji's and Baiji's face.

So instead, goaded by the public disrespect to herself and to her husband, she permitted Madhu to be publicly disrespected 'jokingly' by Bhanu.
It was the only retaliation that was possible.

But though anger may be a good motivator, it is a very poor gauge or judge.
Baiji's permitting Bhanu's conduct and holding Dauji back from stopping the situation worsened the situation in every way possible from the outset.

The 'joking' insult to the suhaagan Kushwaha bahu - with her husband absent and her in-laws quiet - would have proven Bhanu's great power in the family as the son-in-law, that he would be permitted such conduct.

The humiliation Raja gave Bhanu in return restored Madhu to the position of cherished and protected wife, and ensured that everyone gathered there would know that though the son-in-law, Bhanu was apparently not as important to Dauji as Raja.

Either way, the family was publicly seen as being a powerhouse divided.
It would have been avoided if Baiji had not decided to pitch her own temper against her temperamental new bahu, but had rather swallowed the pallu-disrespect and dealt with the matter quietly afterward.
In retaliating, she ended up hurting Raja with the unintended revelation that his foster-parents would cherish and protect him but not his adored wife.
Madhu's current snobbish persona is the only persona of her that Raja's uncle and aunt have seen.
So they don't have the balancing of recent memories of her tenderness, devotion, protectiveness and loyalty to compensate for her current perpetually senselessly confrontational persona.
There seems to be no effective middleground portrayed in her reactions.
Either she swallowed every harm from AK, Leelwati et al.
Or she objects to everything from the get-go in Raja's family, inspiring them to consider her unworthy of regard.
The couple of occasions when she impressed Dauji are balanced by her extreme naivete that any slightly shrewd antagonist can use to their ends.
Nor does she understand the obvious repercusion of showing hostility to her husband - the only person in town who cares about her or has any means to help her.

Her two escape-attempts within her sasuraal's fiefdom had been likely to have her even more humiliatingly tricked and brought back by anyone who knew the only modern-looking female in the area was the new Kushwaha bahu, and that her literally running away from her home was unlikely to be with her father-in-law's or husband's permission.

The day serials and films manage to generally across the board show 'nok-jhok' without showing the female lead and male lead taking it in turns to be 'spirited' and idiotically noncognizant of situation and circumstances may be a wonderful landmark.
Hope this 'nok-jhok' stops soon, and the couple's spirited ferocity is aimed outward at the many antagonists, rather than useful as a tool in the antagonists hands to cleave at the couple.

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Superb post Leela👏

Neela, if they want to keep this serial going, then the family or Raja letting her go is not an option, at least not without her promptly rushing back to them.
They might as well shoot the last episode of the series instead.
Any series which tries to cater to a progressive audience ends up with loss, track closed, and series either closed or in danger of closing.
The husband chasing after the reluctant wife is a bad prospective idea, because majority-audience would have no problems with his most brutal actions in getting her back if they like the couple, but the fandoms would scream as loudly then as for a lot of other points.
Anyway, we have divergent POVs. Your idealism is admirable, but I would prefer to see the pairing and the series last, so not really prioritizing on idealism in fictional serials.
Please, let's agree to disagree, and not discuss this point with any further posts here? Don't want unpleasantness for fictional contexts.

Link to Episode 581 Discussion: 23rd May 2014, Friday

Episode 581 Discussion: 23rd May 2014, Friday