Episode 435 Discussion: 21st Nov 2013 - Page 5

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

Taniya , subashini that is your love for RK that is talking.,

But in reality, the guy has so many flaws, weaknesses and darkness in his life that it cannot be easily gone.. Madhu might have brought him to light but she cannot erase the darkness/ devils in his life completely... She is conveniently ignoring the devils when it crops up.. And Madhu can never understand n most importantly cannot fight it ever..

Technically speaking, the show should end on a note where RK n Madhu might love each other like crazy but they cannot have a happily ever after at all.. Madhu will ultimately always bear the brunt of his darkness but at some point RK should realize that he cannot suck her into his darkness.. And letting go of her is the best option for both of them..
RK n Madhu are as different as chalk n cheese...

That is the reason why RK puts her on a pedestal.. No girl can jhelofy him- the kind of person he is, his mood swings, his tantrums, he understands the flaws in him...he finds it difficult to fight his innate flaws.. He himself will not know how he might react to a situation.. I remember once RK saying main khud apne aap ko Samajh nahi paaya tum kya samjhogi.. It holds true even now..

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

Taniya , subashini that is your love for RK that is talking.,

But in reality, the guy has so many flaws, weaknesses and darkness in his life that it cannot be easily gone.. Madhu might have brought him to light but she cannot erase the darkness/ devils in his life completely... She is conveniently ignoring the devils when it crops up.. And Madhu can never understand n most importantly cannot fight it ever..

Technically speaking, the show should end on a note where RK n Madhu might love each other like crazy but they cannot have a happily ever after at all.. Madhu will ultimately always bear the brunt of his darkness but at some point RK should realize that he cannot suck her into his darkness.. And letting go of her is the best option for both of them..
RK n Madhu are as different as chalk n cheese...

That is the reason why RK puts her on a pedestal.. No girl can jhelofy him- the kind of person he is, his mood swings, his tantrums, he understands the flaws in him...he finds it difficult to fight his innate flaws.. He himself will not know how he might react to a situation.. I remember once RK saying main khud apne aap ko Samajh nahi paaya tum kya samjhogi.. It holds true even now..

@Zoya, Sounds, completely agree with you...

Originally posted by: subashni

Yes you are right.I liked him as a dark character with flaws. But that was once upon a time.Post wedding since May what we have is any other soap hero who is very much predictable.This R.K is not even the palest shade of original R.K we were shown..He gets upset reasonably and ends up apologizing for no fault of his within hours. RM bear the brunt of her stupidity. Changing R.K's diabolic character and retaining MAdhu's angelic aura is the core reason for show's dwindling TRP's. R.K if still retained his Kameena image would have excused all of MAdhu's mistakes. But Sugary hen pecked husband always manipulated against his interset by the so called innocent wife . is the constant feature of all tracks. If R.K has been softened Madhu should get down from the pedestal.It is no longer bad boy good girl which was the charm of the show.only stupid boy and stupid girl. When he threatened Sikky about what he could do(when he forgave him) i was🥱. In initial episodes it would have chilled me. Your post is nostalgic. How I wish to see this R.K. Going to watch some old episodes tonight.😊

Subashni, agreed, especially the points in red.👏

We only hear the characters talk about RK being clever and/or dangerous or about Madhu being resolute.🥱
Those qualities are never actually seen anymore in either RK or Madhu - they are both just conveniently big talk.

RK got stabbed and paralyzed.
Even if the knife was switched by Sikki, the lax security that permitted the switching was Mehul's fault.
And Mehul had claimed the dream-sequence was crucial, but as soon as RK was paralyzed, he suddenly turned RK's character in that crucial scene into unimportant and started harping on his pet heroine-centric idea.🤢

The RK who used to be dangerous would have ruined himself financially for the satisfaction of refusing Mehul even if the idea were financially good.☢️
The fact that the idea was creatively bankrupt and financially burdensome was just an additional point.

Better that he should lose everything he had rather than that someone who was the cause of trouble to him should get away without paying for it.

Not "oh, my house, my money! Let me myself destroy my professional prestige irreparably, just to hold onto the financial stuff that might at least possibly be recouped later".🥱

This is not RK but some unrecognizable character who gets turned illegitimate or incompetent to ensure he won't stop people from bringing him down who otherwise would have been unable to. Fortunately such shenanigans have never got appreciative TRP.

Mehul's idea was the root cause of RK's paralysis.
RK should have made it his first priority to destroy anything and everything that mattered to Mehul.
Instead, he very easygoingly rejected the idea, but *without* the necessary yanking Mehul's leash tight that his dream-sequence idea was the cause of RK's situation.

And RK would willingly have had 'Anamika' killed off in the very next scene but 'Karan' would not be sidelined.🤢

The loan would have been dealt with or the house abandoned, but no one would be making a film with RK's money but with RK's own role in that film reduced, not even using Madhu as the imprudently obdurate and naively unaware means of his professional erosion.

If Madhu had tried to insist at any point even at the very start of this film or even more recently that RK should rely on her phenomenally backfiringly bad ideas,
RK would have either manipulated her into letting the matter rest,
or he would have pointed out gently that she did not have good judgement of people and situations even when they had nothing to do with the film-industry,
and that there was no point in his ruining his professional standing by becoming supporting actor and showcasing her since it was a movie which needed to focus on him to preserve his credibility.
He would have said this with the implicit reminder that she did not want the film to focus on her except for *his* benefit, and he would definitely *not* be benefitting from such a turn.

The problem is that they are having all the characters say things that no one will believe unless simply to see the track through.
The clunk is stupendous, and the track is one the majority-audience has no interest in and thus no excuse to tolerate the clunk.

And majority-audience doesn't qualify as interested in any track that shows the leads characterized other than in the way they are loved.
Change in popular leads basic characterization is invariably a bad idea, because the majority-audience has shown clearly how they like those characters.
Presenting them in any other way, the series loses the majority-audience's interest and viewership, and TRP becomes unsatisfactory for the series budget - leading to the financially unworthwhile track being first modified and then, if that doesn't mend the situation, then scuttled.

The ideas Madhu intends should be for RK's benefit become increasingly more for his detriment, to the point where the longer he follows on her suggested path, the worse the professional, financial and physical situation he finds himself in.
At every point, he finds himself in so much worse a situation that if he had rejected her earlier idea or assistance and stopped then, he would have been better off. And this happens frighteningly worse each time.
And it is all so damn painfully transparent that Madhu becoming heroine is going to be scapegoated by mass-audience for being in some way or the other the cause of every misfortune befalling her husband.
This was the one dratted series which should never have showed that wretched prophecy, because it gets too damn easy to make that old man's claims look valid within this very track itself, completely apart from the 11 times RK has had brushes with death since his first wedding.
While trying a track, it might be prudent of the CVs to keep in mind that the last eight months of mess can't be forgotten, and they would please tread with caution to avoid having any of the unfortunate factors from earlier boomerang at Madhu's expense.
It won't be at RK's expense; he's covered either way. If his professional standing gets even one comment against it let alone an actual downfall, or conversely if Madhu leaves and he then scales success, both ways he will get sympathy. And Madhu's slapping her paralyzed husband in the cause of maternal protectiveness for her unborn child, and then risking her unborn child to smoke, running and fire just to prove a point, have ensured that RK's cure is going to be testimony to *his* love for her, and if - heaven forbid - the child dies, RK will get the more sympathy. How the heck does this story manage to be the only one where every damn bright idea to make Madhu look strong and determined boomerangs on her mass-support image instead?
Could they not have preserved RK's shrewdness and made Madhu shrewd as well? Both of the leads loving but intelligent and ruthless would have been a treat to watch, considering almost the entire supporting characters are either deliberately or negligently adversarial.

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

Taniya , subashini that is your love for RK that is talking.,

But in reality, the guy has so many flaws, weaknesses and darkness in his life that it cannot be easily gone.. Madhu might have brought him to light but she cannot erase the darkness/ devils in his life completely... She is conveniently ignoring the devils when it crops up.. And Madhu can never understand n most importantly cannot fight it ever..

Technically speaking, the show should end on a note where RK n Madhu might love each other like crazy but they cannot have a happily ever after at all.. Madhu will ultimately always bear the brunt of his darkness but at some point RK should realize that he cannot suck her into his darkness.. And letting go of her is the best option for both of them..
RK n Madhu are as different as chalk n cheese...

That is the reason why RK puts her on a pedestal.. No girl can jhelofy him- the kind of person he is, his mood swings, his tantrums, he understands the flaws in him...he finds it difficult to fight his innate flaws.. He himself will not know how he might react to a situation.. I remember once RK saying main khud apne aap ko Samajh nahi paaya tum kya samjhogi.. It holds true even now..

It is also one of the reason why he doesn't care too much whether she understands him or not.. Infact I feel that he doesn't expect her to understand his complexities.. All that he expects from her is to understand the love he has for her- you can give any name for it like selfish, controlling, possessive, always the taker-you can add anything else to the list.. It will always keep growing)

The fact is that RKs love is intangible where as Madhu's love is in action.. People who don't like him can never feel that love.. And people who have different notions of love can never understand him..

Originally posted by: subashni

Yes you are right.I liked him as a dark character with flaws. But that was once upon a time.Post wedding since May what we have is any other soap hero who is very much predictable.This R.K is not even the palest shade of original R.K we were shown..He gets upset reasonably and ends up apologizing for no fault of his within hours. RM bear the brunt of her stupidity. Changing R.K's diabolic character and retaining MAdhu's angelic aura is the core reason for show's dwindling TRP's. R.K if still retained his Kameena image would have excused all of MAdhu's mistakes. But Sugary hen pecked husband always manipulated against his interset by the so called innocent wife . is the constant feature of all tracks. If R.K has been softened Madhu should get down from the pedestal.It is no longer bad boy good girl which was the charm of the show.only stupid boy and stupid girl. When he threatened Sikky about what he could do(when he forgave him) i was🥱. In initial episodes it would have chilled me. Your post is nostalgic. How I wish to see this R.K. Going to watch some old episodes tonight.😊

I am not denying the diluted version of RK or the inconsistencies that has creeped into his character.. The one thing that irks me to no end is that they have permanently packed off his smartness n perceptiveness especially when it is needed the most.😡His characterization has gone haywire n the blame goes on the writers that they created such a character n now they are not able to handle him at all.. Infact I don't think the cvs are paying attention to the characterisations .. They are just creating drama n tweaking the characters to float the boat..

I believe that Madhu has always had an upper hand in their relationship in a subtle way.. Previously he used to get impressed with her n listen to her.. It was if his own volition but now he listens to her out of love or if she gets angry , etc,etc but since uske dimaag ko visarjit kar diya hai cvs ne you find it bad.. But the equation has always been the same.. At the outset it looks like RK dominates Madhu but Madhu has always dominated Madhu unless caught unaware..charu n I wrote the same in MAT as well..,

But by darkness n devils I don't mean just his arrogance or ego or his ruthlessness but along with all those his insecurities, vulnerabilities, deep seated fears n weakness as well..

Originally posted by: _charu_

@Zoya, Sounds, completely agree with you...

It's our love for RK that we ignore his flaws but this has nothing to do with Madhu...I cannot appreciate her bec. of her individual dumb qualities which makes RK's character look better ! if RK is one extreme, she's the other extreme..

Charu that is the reason why I never mentioned a word about Madhu at all.. It was about RK n RK alone as a character.. And it was not an appreciation post for Madhu perse

@Zoya

Originally posted by: leelaa9

We only hear the characters talk about RK being clever and/or dangerous or about Madhu being resolute.🥱
Those qualities are never actually seen anymore in either RK or Madhu - they are both just conveniently big talk.

RK got stabbed and paralyzed.
Even if the knife was switched by Sikki, the lax security that permitted the switchibng was Mehul's fault.
And Mehul had claimed the dream-sequence was crucial, but as soon as RK was paralyzed, he suddenly turned RK's character in that crucial scene into unimportant and started harping on his pet heroine-centric idea.

The RK who used to be dangerous would have ruined himself financially for the satisfaction of refusing Mehul even if the idea were financially good.
The fact that the idea was creatively bankrupt and financially burdensome was just an additional point.

Mehul's idea was the root cause of RK's paralysis.
RK should have made it his first priority to destroy anything and everything that mattered to Mehul.
Instead, he very easygoingly rejected the idea but without yanking Mehul's leasdh tight that his dream-sequence idea was the cause of RK's situation.
And RK would willingly have Anamika killed off ion the very next scene but Karan would not be sidelined.

Guys the RK you all are discussing disappeared long ago - at the time of seven phera wedding. However, we continue to paint him in the same grey shades we fell in love with.