The Catch 22 situation - Page 2

Originally posted by: leelaa9

And most importantly, a statistically proven fact for MEIEJ, online audience has - except in the matter of the deceased character - not been of the same preference as the majority-TRP-audience.
And it is the latter viewership that is the prize of financial success for the sponsors to feel recouping the channel's and PH's expenses for a series is worthwhile.
Sponsors spend a lot on MEIEJ's ad-slots, and will not accept even a week of low TRP without requiring prompt modifications and visible efforts to regain the series-lapsed-viewership majority-audience's support for the series.
MEIEJ had managed a 4+ TRP return on sponsors money; there's no way sponsors will accept a perpetuating 2+ for even a few weeks without expecting the story to get tweaked.
If their money helps make series-continuation possible, then expecting them to take losses for no sensible reason for even a fortnight is not likely.
If crores of people don't find a serial's each episode so interesting that they'll keep checking between ads so as to not even miss a moment of the next scene, then the ad-slots gamble on getting seen by a significant portion of the mass-audience doesn't work to the sponsors benefit. Which makes a series with high budget and/or deservedly highly-paid leads not financially worthwhile for the sponsors.
Channels accepted sponsors terms in the second face-off only because no paid ad-slots is an unaffordable option, and having to deal with stringent value-for-money is preferable with ad-slots rates getting reduced if there is not constant modification to ensure significant improvement in TRP.

Originally posted by: 4EVRoptimist

I really liked your post. The only think I will disagree is that there are still a few scenarios and/or tracks by which the CVs can attempt ( mind you I do say attempt) to uplift the show and more important question even before we try taxing our brains and get our creative juices flowing would be are the CVs really ready to take that step in the right direction. Are they ready to change their attitude and mind set and for once actually make a track the audience want instead of doing as they want and only bowing to financial/ TRP pressure. CVs fool me once shame on me , fool me twice shame on you. And I think at the very core the issue is that they believe by showing the leads helpless and sad all the time the audience will follow the basic human instant of supporting and rooting for underdog... what they don't seem to realize is that if they don't see the underdog winning, then the same instinct also forces them to loose interest. and you rightly said after all the general public watched TV for entertainment and not your creative junket. They look to get hopeful/ cheerful/optimistic by seeing the characters in the serial winning the odds, getting lucky, having some sort of peace and happiness in their lives and hope that some thing of that will also come to be in their lives as well. I remember my mom's best friend saying about Kahani ghar Ghar ki, as that she leant how to deal with certain relations from watching the serial. So they also look for inspiration and how to fight the odds. If we wanted a sad looser story we would probably go and see some documentary or art film ( mind you they too are better and at least have logic even tho' they protagonist may not win at the end as opposite to the commercial cinema where the hero always wins)-- I am going to digress here and said that CVs even your hero said that hero always wins, so what is your hero loosing ?---

anyway back on the track: IMO what options do the CVs have

1] I guess its too late ( assuming the Cv do intend to change paths, and right now are unfortunately a few episodes down this horrendous track) to change it back to an action film and it still stays a heroin centric track:- Anamica's charecter is shown to be less believing in love, but karan has an accident, so the dream sequence is not karan's but anamika's and she forgets her anger and comes to reconcile with karan. in the mean time Karan has an accident that leaves him partially paralyzed ( thus accommodating Rk's physical limitations). Anamaika realized the depth of her love for karan and used love to nurse him back to health, in the accident causes Karan to believe less in life and love and in the end both change for the better will all is well and happy ending... (I know its family melodrama, but that will make it heroin centric and the repressiveness that the Cv are so fond of showing and refuse to let go or debunk in Madhu and Rk life gets shifted in to Anamika and Karan's lives,... there is a rural hindi saying tere bhi pachas paise, aur meri bhi atth anni,)

2] on a personal front for RK and Madhu, they rally need to show them fighting pabo and Dips. I would have accepted the walking on cola thing as a once off (often shown in other serials) but not after it followed a fake nivaran track. I am all for showing faith and faith helping them win odds, but not the sole driver of survival. This puts them even backward than BV which for a long time in its initial days has numerous characters justifying child marriage. they can in fact make it so much more inspirational if they show Rk and madhu together working to get him over his physical difficulties. It takes their relationships too on a deeper level. It shows how trust, help acceptance and mutual support in a marriage can help them over come odds. They can still show that their faith in each other and god ( as a higher power.. not the idolatry and ritualistic one)

3] and I really need to see the vamps to get some comeuppance for their deeds. I mean come on Diplai has never been punished for her deeds,. the closest she came was when Rk was going to throw her out.

4] I just saw bits and pieces of the new spoiler videos, is RK really as gullible to some ones brainwashing like his mother..🤢. As you said, the USP of the show was and intelligent and really smart protagonist... and they build his character well too, now-a days we see the attitude and flash in the pan of his sauve nature, but don't see actual implementations of that brain power. May be Cvs have run out of steam/ story/ creativity and so as you said are changing the track though some ine-mini-mina-mo process. I remember our English teacher in school use to make pay a game as a pretext of teaching us creativity and comprehension. She used to tell us a few lines of a story and then each one of us had to take the story further as we pleased as long as there was continuity and logic in the flow and we had proper sentence construction. The Cv seems to be doing the first half of the exercise, asking all members to contribute some thing to extend the story, but are missing out on the most important part of comprehension and logic...

On a side note: I recently got rejected for a job because I was apparently over qualified and they said they could not afford to employ me, they were actually looking for a relatively fresh graduate with little or simple basic experience as opposed to the international one that I had... I was talking this out with my sister and we were also talking about the serial and she pointed it out that may be its just you and your forum friends ( she just comes some times to read) who are intelligent and over qualified so expect clunk free logical track but may the majority is does not analyze anything and just watches what pleases them. albeit too much negativity will just turn them off and they will simply use their remote and change their choice with out fretting over it like we do. It got me thinking is she right?😲

So the bottom line IMO is there is still a window of opportunity but they better act fast as time is really running out...😡😡

Originally posted by: MarathiMulgi

@Poluk,

Nice post.

RK's paralysis is because Madhu stabbed him (unintentionally of course) with a real knife. We on the other hand are the victims of paralysis due to too much of analysis. 😉

I have all the confidence in CVs to find some way outta this chakravyuha by weapons of clunk swiftly removing any bits of logic that may be still remaining. Just wait and see..😆

Originally posted by: Soundarya22

Well put Shruti. I remember when Anandi won the battle against Saanchi, my mother in law and aunt discussed the episode very avidly and said...see Satyameva Jayate!! 😆. Leads winning against all odds, always works the best.

nahi Shruti, i want certified panauti 🤣 Madhu to be with RK..destroy him and leave him, uske baad he will destroy himself uske pyar mein..and bring her back in his life ..RK's ishq and junoon will be to have panauti Madhu in his life and Madhu's ishq and junoon is to destroy him and act innocent

Originally posted by: 4EVRoptimist

I really liked your post. The only think I will disagree is that there are still a few scenarios and/or tracks by which the CVs can attempt ( mind you I do say attempt) to uplift the show and more important question even before we try taxing our brains and get our creative juices flowing would be are the CVs really ready to take that step in the right direction. Are they ready to change their attitude and mind set and for once actually make a track the audience want instead of doing as they want and only bowing to financial/ TRP pressure. CVs fool me once shame on me , fool me twice shame on you. And I think at the very core the issue is that they believe by showing the leads helpless and sad all the time the audience will follow the basic human instant of supporting and rooting for underdog... what they don't seem to realize is that if they don't see the underdog winning, then the same instinct also forces them to loose interest. and you rightly said after all the general public watched TV for entertainment and not your creative junket. They look to get hopeful/ cheerful/optimistic by seeing the characters in the serial winning the odds, getting lucky, having some sort of peace and happiness in their lives and hope that some thing of that will also come to be in their lives as well. I remember my mom's best friend saying about Kahani ghar Ghar ki, as that she leant how to deal with certain relations from watching the serial. So they also look for inspiration and how to fight the odds. If we wanted a sad looser story we would probably go and see some documentary or art film ( mind you they too are better and at least have logic even tho' they protagonist may not win at the end as opposite to the commercial cinema where the hero always wins)-- I am going to digress here and said that CVs even your hero said that hero always wins, so what is your hero loosing ?---

anyway back on the track: IMO what options do the CVs have

1] I guess its too late ( assuming the Cv do intend to change paths, and right now are unfortunately a few episodes down this horrendous track) to change it back to an action film and it still stays a heroin centric track:- Anamica's charecter is shown to be less believing in love, but karan has an accident, so the dream sequence is not karan's but anamika's and she forgets her anger and comes to reconcile with karan. in the mean time Karan has an accident that leaves him partially paralyzed ( thus accommodating Rk's physical limitations). Anamaika realized the depth of her love for karan and used love to nurse him back to health, in the accident causes Karan to believe less in life and love and in the end both change for the better will all is well and happy ending... (I know its family melodrama, but that will make it heroin centric and the repressiveness that the Cv are so fond of showing and refuse to let go or debunk in Madhu and Rk life gets shifted in to Anamika and Karan's lives,... there is a rural hindi saying tere bhi pachas paise, aur meri bhi atth anni,)

2] on a personal front for RK and Madhu, they rally need to show them fighting pabo and Dips. I would have accepted the walking on cola thing as a once off (often shown in other serials) but not after it followed a fake nivaran track. I am all for showing faith and faith helping them win odds, but not the sole driver of survival. This puts them even backward than BV which for a long time in its initial days has numerous characters justifying child marriage. they can in fact make it so much more inspirational if they show Rk and madhu together working to get him over his physical difficulties. It takes their relationships too on a deeper level. It shows how trust, help acceptance and mutual support in a marriage can help them over come odds. They can still show that their faith in each other and god ( as a higher power.. not the idolatry and ritualistic one)

3] and I really need to see the vamps to get some comeuppance for their deeds. I mean come on Diplai has never been punished for her deeds,. the closest she came was when Rk was going to throw her out.

4] I just saw bits and pieces of the new spoiler videos, is RK really as gullible to some ones brainwashing like his mother..🤢. As you said, the USP of the show was and intelligent and really smart protagonist... and they build his character well too, now-a days we see the attitude and flash in the pan of his sauve nature, but don't see actual implementations of that brain power. May be Cvs have run out of steam/ story/ creativity and so as you said are changing the track though some ine-mini-mina-mo process. I remember our English teacher in school use to make pay a game as a pretext of teaching us creativity and comprehension. She used to tell us a few lines of a story and then each one of us had to take the story further as we pleased as long as there was continuity and logic in the flow and we had proper sentence construction. The Cv seems to be doing the first half of the exercise, asking all members to contribute some thing to extend the story, but are missing out on the most important part of comprehension and logic...

On a side note: I recently got rejected for a job because I was apparently over qualified and they said they could not afford to employ me, they were actually looking for a relatively fresh graduate with little or simple basic experience as opposed to the international one that I had... I was talking this out with my sister and we were also talking about the serial and she pointed it out that may be its just you and your forum friends ( she just comes some times to read) who are intelligent and over qualified so expect clunk free logical track but may the majority is does not analyze anything and just watches what pleases them. albeit too much negativity will just turn them off and they will simply use their remote and change their choice with out fretting over it like we do. It got me thinking is she right?😲

So the bottom line IMO is there is still a window of opportunity but they better act fast as time is really running out...😡😡

Originally posted by: Poluk

Exactly Soundarya leads winning against the odds always works but the struggle part should not be made a rubber band like in this case. At least end one struggle before starting the next. They never BV so negative also. There was always a positive feel.

Here CVs follow the maxim Bhagwan jab bhi deta hai chappar phad ke deta hai.

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Excellent post. If MAdhu is indeed a grey character as she appears I would enjoy this show.But alas no. She is supposed to be a sacrificing goodnatured mahaan. Why is it R.K always cares for her self respect and defends it and Madhu always ignores to do the same in the name of love. What sort of stupid love is this where she always fails to understand what is important for him?In the previous track she was shown to publicly humiliate him to save his life and now to save his money? What about honor?She was no less than Pabho or Dipali ,A simple solution would be to change the character into paralyzed. Why don't it occur to her and her director? And what is the need for heroine or hero centric film? It could be a simple love story where her beauty and talent could be spotted. and she becomes an overnight sensation if that is the objective of this clunky track I can tolerate sly and ambitious Dipali but not a foolish heroine. I don't know where this crap is leading. I can't help thinking about another show where a twist was brought in and rejected by viewers, Within a month or so that track was wound up and the lead pair was brought together.That honesty is missing in this show. They wait till TRP call the shots. I am sure in the end of the track everyone including R.K praise Madhu for her intelligence and sacrifice. Madhu jaisa koi nahin😆

Originally posted by: _charu_

nahi Shruti, i want certified panauti 🤣 Madhu to be with RK..destroy him and leave him, uske baad he will destroy himself uske pyar mein..and bring her back in his life ..RK's ishq and junoon will be to have panauti Madhu in his life and Madhu's ishq and junoon is to destroy him and act innocent

Nice post Shruti... I always like your analysis!!