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Posted: 12 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: -Stephanie-

"Contrary to some satirical Sulbala praises regarding Sultan's 'junoon' and obsessiveness, let me state clearly that plenty of us Sultanians and Sulbalians are NOT in favor of such junoon. We were against RK's junoon, his obsessiveness, his sexual harassment, his emotional abuse, his stalking and the abusive relationship that is RK-Madhu, so WHY would many of us be enjoying and rooting for Sultan's 'junoon' for Madhu. No. Plenty of us are not in support of it nor are we over how much Sultan loves her and how he's showing the depth of his obsessive crazy love"



Sexual Harrasment??? WHEN?? WHERE??? LMAO! 🤣

sexual harassment...steph..firt do you know what is it...first go and find the definitions of sexual harassment...where was sultan got a sexual pleasure for harnessing Madhu...? if there any scene like that...? but once RK threatened madhu to remove his cloth in front of her , if she did not tell why she applied holi colors on sultan...that is called sexual harassment...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: Anu-Reddy


@Red : RK and silent? 😆 . I guess u conveniently forgot how RK was rubbing in Sultan's face about how Sultan can have everything except his MADHU. He was the one who got M into this equation. His constant bragging mightve ticked off Sultans patience for all we know(if there is no other reason for his behavior). What was the need for RK to bring Madhu into Sultan's fight for his mom's justice?

Please do not elevate RK to show Sultan less. RK is no less evil and infact according to me he deserves all the punishment he got. Yes u say M is happy in her marriage, so be it... we are not happy with what she did , its a shame to womanhood if someone supports the kind of abusive relationship she chose, not considering her own mom's wishes (who has even held RKs feet to take her daughter back and was mocked by thy superstar) . Its another thing Padmini came to the marriage and shed happy tears, Padmini the character is not a real human, but we are and we very well know RK doesn't deserve M at all.

If u dont agree thats ur opinion...i can have mine, isnt it?


Well, that's true isn't it? I mean, it wasn't like Sultan was keeping quiet and RK went and bragged about Madhu. And MB/RK are both possessive about each other; and I believe MB herself has said several times that she belongs to/with RK. MB was always in the equation; didn't sultan call MB and ask her to spend alone time with him? Isn't that the reason RK even went to meet sultan? So of course he would say that sultan might take everything from him, except MB. If you're talking about the beginning, when sultan first made the claim of being MK's son then RK didn't know that was true. At the time, it was ludicrous for him to think that his idol, the only parent who meant so much to him and his childhood, who's loss defined his nature and life to a large extent--that parent could be anything less than the idol RK thought him to be. It's difficult for anyone to accept something like this about their parents, and much more difficult for RK. Since at the time, he didn't know the truth he jumped to the conclusion that sultan was doing it for MB. Doesn't make it right, but at least he has motivation.

There is no need to elevate either character as for me, they're very similar. It doesn't matter if you or me or even padmini thinks MB is in an abusive relationship; MB doesn't think she is. And nobody has the right to force another person to do something they don't want to, even if one firmly believes it's the right thing for that person. If that were the case, the excuse would apply to RK as well since it could be said that he knew MB loved him and the only thing keeping her away was his ego. So he forced her to be with him while he tried convincing her in any way he knew that he had changed since he firmly believed both their happiness lay in them being together. Nope, that excuse wont work at all. And I prefer to see all that a particular character has done before judging him/her. RK has been evil, manipulative et al; he has pretended to be nice but still being evil; he has tortured her and even her family and there are no excuses for that. BUT he has also apologized for all of it; he tried and succeeded in convincing ALL of them that he has changed. It may not be enough for you or me, but it seems to be enough for MB and her family and since this is their story, that's what matters. It doesn't matter what anybody else thinks about their relationship; only what MB and RK do. RK has been evil; and now sultan is being evil. RK's deeds don't justify or elevate sultan's deeds and MB being in a supposedly abusive (acc to you) relationship doesn't mean she can be abused (even as a purported act) by sultan and he be justified for it.
Edited by sowmya_jairam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: sowmya_jairam

RK and Sultan are really not very different at all. Only difference is RK started out as the completely negative guy with all sorts of complex issues underlying his negative character who then tried to come to terms with at least some of them with MB's help. It didn't make him a good person or saint, nor did it change his basic character but he has priorities now and some sense where earlier he didn't have either so no direction in life. Sultan's character started out as a gangster who did criminal work but still had some principles which he adhered to. Now, he's lost the only thing that made him a good gangster-his principles. He's simply a gangster now.


@bold. That's the point. Sultan's character turn does not make sense. Not at all.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#64
sexual harassment? have you done a phd on exaggeration or something? please don't make real sexual harassment victims in the past or present read this and wonder if you are joking. seriously itnaa oblivious agar hona hi hai ke sexual harassment actually hoti kya hai , then don't bother touching on such a topic. one good thing about rk was that even in the revenge period , the guy never crossed his boundaries in physicality ever , in fact he always was physically hesitant with her much more than she was.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: armummy


I have already ended my discussion in my last post . Looks like you do selective reading to have last word . I dd not quote you , you quoted me and asked me questions to start with , I simply replied .

I read WU to know what is happening in the story ,my not seeing the scenes will not change any facts of what is happening in the story now .if there was even an ounce of doubt shown on sultans behavior , it would have been in WU and posts in the forums . I hope you won't answer my post to have a last word 😆 . If you still do enjoy your last word .

And bye from me . Enjoy .


Yes i do want mine to be the last word...😊 . Reading WUs u say?No wonder 😆. Anyways, so yes now I end my discussion with u. Good day to u too.
Edited by Anu-Reddy - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#66

Originally posted by: Escape.My.Love.

sexual harassment? have you done a phd on exaggeration or something? please don't make real sexual harassment victims in the past or present read this and wonder if you are joking. seriously itnaa oblivious agar hona hi hai ke sexual harassment actually hoti kya hai , then don't bother touching on such a topic. one good thing about rk was that even in the revenge period , the guy never crossed his boundaries in physicality ever , in fact he always was physically hesitant with her much more than she was.


Once again people seemed to be mistaking the term sexual harassment with sexual abuse or sexual assault. What RK did many times fell under sexual harassment. No, I am not exaggerating or any such thing.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#67

Originally posted by: likarsh


Once again people seemed to be mistaking the term sexual harassment with sexual abuse or sexual assault. What RK did many times fell under sexual harassment. No, I am not exaggerating or any such thing.

what makes you say physicality is not a part of sexual harassment? sexual assault is referring to more serious cases like molestation but usually sexual harassment is most commonly referred to light cases in the matter of sexual abuse that are just beneath molestation . Many people call it minor sexual harassment , so major can be self explanatory. I read your previous comment and it would have been sexual harassment in a work place had not the two had such a turbulent , and inexplicable history together. That's what makes it different cause not so long ago the two did have a haphazard relationship..its just my opinion. anyway.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#68

Originally posted by: Escape.My.Love.

what makes you say physicality is not a part of sexual harassment? sexual assault is referring to more serious cases like molestation but usually sexual harassment is most commonly referred to light cases in the matter of sexual abuse that are just beneath molestation . Many people call it minor sexual harassment , so major can be self explanatory. I read your previous comment and it would have been sexual harassment in a work place had not the two had such a turbulent , and inexplicable history together. That's what makes it different cause not so long ago the two did have a haphazard relationship..its just my opinion. anyway.


Yes, thank you for acknowledging the actions would be sexual harassment. And to your point, a failed relationship does not mean that the person who keeps harassing is correct. It would still be sexual harassment. What, employees who date and break up, you think if a man or woman continued on in certain ways, that would be okay?

Many of those times, Madhu constantly told him to leave her alone. He wouldn't. He misused his power to have her come to the studio, tried to 'convince her' of his love, blah blah, blah...from there kidnapped her. Afterwards he again misused his power with his whole drama with the mannequins. Should I continue on? There are more. But these should suffice.

And in these instances, there wasn't physicality? There weren't lewd, demeaning and inappropriate comments by him towards her?

Just because Madhu gave in doesn't excuse his behavior. He took her by force to his house. And she went back to him for 'revenge' because he had freaked her out enough with his whole mannequin drama.
Edited by likarsh - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#69

Originally posted by: sowmya_jairam


Well, that's true isn't it? I mean, it wasn't like Sultan was keeping quiet and RK went and bragged about Madhu. And MB/RK are both possessive about each other; and I believe MB herself has said several times that she belongs to/with RK. MB was always in the equation; didn't sultan call MB and ask her to spend alone time with him? Isn't that the reason RK even went to meet sultan? So of course he would say that sultan might take everything from him, except MB. If you're talking about the beginning, when sultan first made the claim of being MK's son then RK didn't know that was true. At the time, it was ludicrous for him to think that his idol, the only parent who meant so much to him and his childhood, who's loss defined his nature and life to a large extent--that parent could be anything less than the idol RK thought him to be. It's difficult for anyone to accept something like this about their parents, and much more difficult for RK. Since at the time, he didn't know the truth he jumped to the conclusion that sultan was doing it for MB. Doesn't make it right, but at least he has motivation.

There is no need to elevate either character as for me, they're very similar. It doesn't matter if you or me or even padmini thinks MB is in an abusive relationship; MB doesn't think she is. And nobody has the right to force another person to do something they don't want to, even if one firmly believes it's the right thing for that person. If that were the case, the excuse would apply to RK as well since it could be said that he knew MB loved him and the only thing keeping her away was his ego. So he forced her to be with him while he tried convincing her in any way he knew that he had changed since he firmly believed both their happiness lay in them being together. Nope, that excuse wont work at all. And I prefer to see all that a particular character has done before judging him/her. RK has been evil, manipulative et al; he has pretended to be nice but still being evil; he has tortured her and even her family and there are no excuses for that. BUT he has also apologized for all of it; he tried and succeeded in convincing ALL of them that he has changed. It may not be enough for you or me, but it seems to be enough for MB and her family and since this is their story, that's what matters. It doesn't matter what anybody else thinks about their relationship; only what MB and RK do. RK has been evil; and now sultan is being evil. RK's deeds don't justify or elevate sultan's deeds and MB being in a supposedly abusive (acc to you) relationship doesn't mean she can be abused (even as a purported act) by sultan and he be justified for it.


@Blue : Yes she keeps on ranting that she belongs to RK, and frankly speaking I never wanted Sultan-Madhu either. They were good as friends, so dont think that i was rooting for them and thats why R-M doesnt interest me. Keeping that in mind, yes she keeps saying that and Iam not saying she doesnt, but then what do we viewers need to do? Sit back and say "oh she is the one who is interested in that abusive relationship, so we shouldnt bother about it and just enjoy their romance and credit this to be a once in a lifetime kind of love?" . I dont know what the writers of this show want from the viewers frankly. If they wanted the viewers to see love as the leading lady of this show keeps ranting then why the hell did they not show a proper redemption? There was a time when i was rooting for RK still doing it for a reason just like I am now for Sultan but the guy was just ruthless, had no reason by 4 slaps for his behavior. M can forget all that and claim her patidev to be the truest of all who does nothing behind the back, shall we agree to that too since the lady claims so? 😊


@Red : No, that was not the first time R used M in their equation. It was ever since Sultan entered the show...even after M tried jumping off the building (to show how much she loves him) the guy had no shame in rubbing in M and Ss face about their friendship. So dont blame S for that. That scene came much later and Rs mind is already filled with the crap that S is doing this for getting M. May be u should revisit the havan scene, if u need more explanation on that.


R can have all his reasons for not believing S and S had all his reasons to go fight the kundras for his mom. The Q today is what we support and I say , i dont support S doing this to M without a valid reason. Just like u justified Rs blabbering about S at the havan, how he tried to get S caught by the police and how he tried to belittle Ss mom too when S was claiming her rights( all this have been done by R during that Heir-Track and u said he was right in not believing S and i assumed u were ok with all that he did to S and his mom during that track)...we are saying, we will wait for Ss justification on why he is doing all that he has been doing from that fateful night.

Rest, i dont have anything to add to this convo 😊

Edited by Anu-Reddy - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#70

Originally posted by: _SK_

Wonderful post liks.⭐️


Like all sultan fans...i also believe that there is a strong reason behind sultan's "i want u madhu" act...He is the same man who rejected padmii's brilliant kidnap-my-daughter idea " ..we r still confused with the overnight change of behaviour from sultan ...but...He is acting ...and why?..we have to wait and watch...

and I'll not quit the show even if sultan turns completly negative...i'll watch it for AR as he is doing a great job as sultan..


@bold. Bravo, Shree. You've nailed it in those three lines.

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