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Posted: 12 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: Nafs_Sweetheart


It is a disgusting topic, I felt it was necessary to explain how Sadakchap and illegitimacy coincide (at what point to there share the same meaning)

In the UK though in Victorian days we had all these social standings now the society has changed a lot and we wouldn't dream even to express anything about social standing or status of someone because we would be thought of as a person that imitates or slavishly admires social superiors because it would be condescending and overbearing to others that are not in a position to do so. A question for you about street gangsters doesn't the explanation I gave earlier fit? A child which doesn't have parents, no uncles or aunts to shelter him and makes his way in life by asking for money from people, you've added the word gangster, but these gangsters didn't their come on the street because in the way I've explained, the origins.


Calling anyone sadakchap is wrong. It is a disgusting term but since you are not understanding the correct meaning of the term I am explaining it to you.

It has nothing to do with parentage. Even a person living with his parents can be called sadakchap it means not having a good class, not having the dignity, manners or social ettiquettes.

And in India it is used in several parlances and in regular language for instance if a product is not of good quality it is called sadakchap, a movie has C grade double meaning dialogues it will be called sadakchap

or if someone is not behaving properly then it would be said Sadakchap harkatien kar raha hai or doing sadakchap behaviour

or a man eve teasing a woman would be called sadakchap romeo. It means anything down market.

RK by calling sultan sadakchap meant a down market human being wiithout any decency or manners. I am not saying it is the correct way to treat a human being or I would ever think of calling someone like this on his face. But this is what he meant
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Posted: 12 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: Nafs_Sweetheart


It is a disgusting topic, I felt it was necessary to explain how Sadakchap and illegitimacy coincide (at what point to there share the same meaning)

In the UK though in Victorian days we had all these social standings now the society has changed a lot and we wouldn't dream even to express anything about social standing or status of someone because we would be thought of as a person that imitates or slavishly admires social superiors because it would be condescending and overbearing to others that are not in a position to do so. A question for you about street gangsters doesn't the explanation I gave earlier fit? A child which doesn't have parents, no uncles or aunts to shelter him and makes his way in life by asking for money from people, you've added the word gangster, but these gangsters didn't their come on the street because in the way I've explained, the origins.


Okay, lets keep talking on this disgusting topic for a while. 🤢

Though you were correct but your definition of sadakchhap is incomplete. Sadakchhap are not only the people who are left by their families or who are asking for money on the streets (they are beggars btw). This cheap word includes even those who run away from home voluntarily and choose an anti-social lifestyle (yes there are many people who choose this lifestyle), who spend their days on streets doing cheap stuff (I hope you know what I mean), the drug addicts who live on streets and the gangsters.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they are illegitimate. Like I live in Canada, and there are many local gangs here. Their members do have families and homes but they choose the easy way out and become gang members in the greed of power and easy money. So, they are sadakchhap because of their lifestyle.

I really didn't want to keep saying it because I don't use such words at all, and it's Ramadan but this word does suit Sultan. Why, you may ask. Well, it's simple, if you look at the earlier episodes the man said himself that he chose to stick with this profession even after he took revenge of his mother's death because he wanted power and that he worked his way up the crime chain to become an international don. I guess you may connect the dots from here cause I really don't want to discuss on this disgusting matter anymore.

P.S. Still if you want discussion, send me a pm, I don't know how many posts are left for me to make for today. 😕


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Posted: 12 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: Poluk


Calling anyone sadakchap is wrong. It is a disgusting term but since you are not understanding the correct meaning of the term I am explaining it to you.

It has nothing to do with parentage. Even a person living with his parents can be called sadakchap it means not having a good class, not having the dignity, manners or social ettiquettes.

And in India it is used in several parlances and in regular language for instance if a product is not of good quality it is called sadakchap, a movie has C grade double meaning dialogues it will be called sadakchap

or if someone is not behaving properly then it would be said Sadakchap harkatien kar raha hai or doing sadakchap behaviour

or a man eve teasing a woman would be called sadakchap romeo. It means anything down market.

RK by calling sultan sadakchap meant a down market human being wiithout any decency or manners. I am not saying it is the correct way to treat a human being or I would ever think of calling someone like this on his face. But this is what he meant


Calling anyone Sadakchap is a disgusting term, because of what we have gone into the parentage. Hopefully mentioning it can lead to people thinking about it and not using this term. My first explanation in my first post is also important to get people to think what they are saying.

You are talking about social ettiquettes as I said in my reply to mm990 In the UK though in Victorian days we had all these social standings now the society has changed a lot and we wouldn't dream even to express anything about social standing or status of someone because we would be thought of as a person that imitates or slavishly admires social superiors because it would be condescending and overbearing to others that are not in a position to do so. That is why I don't discuss social standings of people, we are all human beings and must come out of this old way of thinking because it's harmful to society and to ourselves to keep discriminating.

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Posted: 12 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: Nafs_Sweetheart


Calling anyone Sadakchap is a disgusting term, because of what we have gone into the parentage. Hopefully mentioning it can lead to people thinking about it and not using this term. My first explanation in my first post is also important to get people to think what they are saying.

You are talking about social ettiquettes as I said in my reply to mm990 In the UK though in Victorian days we had all these social standings now the society has changed a lot and we wouldn't dream even to express anything about social standing or status of someone because we would be thought of as a person that imitates or slavishly admires social superiors because it would be condescending and overbearing to others that are not in a position to do so. That is why I don't discuss social standings of people, we are all human beings and must come out of this old way of thinking because it's harmful to society and to ourselves to keep discriminating.


I agree with you. Using this term for describing a person is wrong and unnecessarily insulting. But again it is totally unrelated to parentage.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: mm990


Okay, lets keep talking on this disgusting topic for a while. 🤢

Though you were correct but your definition of sadakchhap is incomplete. Sadakchhap are not only the people who are left by their families or who are asking for money on the streets (they are beggars btw). This cheap word includes even those who run away from home voluntarily and choose an anti-social lifestyle (yes there are many people who choose this lifestyle), who spend their days on streets doing cheap stuff (I hope you know what I mean), the drug addicts who live on streets and the gangsters.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they are illegitimate. Like I live in Canada, and there are many local gangs here. Their members do have families and homes but they choose the easy way out and become gang members in the greed of power and easy money. So, they are sadakchhap because of their lifestyle.

I really didn't want to keep saying it because I don't use such words at all, and it's Ramadan but this word does suit Sultan. Why, you may ask. Well, it's simple, if you look at the earlier episodes the man said himself that he chose to stick with this profession even after he took revenge of his mother's death because he wanted power and that he worked his way up the crime chain to become an international don. I guess you may connect the dots from here cause I really don't want to discuss on this disgusting matter anymore.



I also don't use such words Ramadaan or not I don't use this type of language, However I felt it necessary to answer this post because of what I've seen of begger children, they are orphans or children that have had a mother for a short period in their life but she has died now and their father they never know who it was because he left the mum.

Talking about drug addicts they do have families most of them and they steal to feed their habit, RK knows Sultan is not a drug addict and we the viewers know this, and yet some on the forum are using the word Sadakchap and RK used it. So the drug addict theory of someone having parents and voluntarily living on the street and stealing does not apply as to why the word Sadakchap was used by RK and is being used on this forum.

We do know though that Sultan was taken involuntarily to live on the street. We also know RK started calling RK Sadakchap when he asked Madhu where her dost was after holi celebrations, when RK went to the chawl to check how Madhu was, and at the Bollywood theme party RK also said to Sultan he had no last name, he doesn't know his father's name, his father came and did his deed with a woman and left and why I thought this was what RK was saying to Sultan is because he told him twice you are Sultan with no father's surname to accompany his first name. If it means lower class person living on the street with no parents its loathsome. You guys in India say disgusting and cheap right, I just think it should not have been picked up by people and repeated on the forum for so long because it shows them also to be people that admire social superiors and want to be condescending to others that are not in the same social standing as they are.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#36
I hope I am not wrong. Jot down ur posts. The word was given by and used by forum members which later picked up by cvs for rk.

Illegitimate son is a big insult. atleast if I knw and understood his charector its a big blow to rk. Jitni gaaliyan ussn sultaan ko diya hai it all now implies to him.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: naina2010

Ever since Sultan got introduced in Madhubala. I m not sure if they are VD fans are RK character fans never left any chance to call Sultan with special word "SADAKCHAP" and started insulting this character in Madhubala.


Even when they saw this character never shown with any flaws or faults.

I feel this coming twist which will make RK a sadakchap becoz he is illigitimate and Sultan is real Mohan Kundra son.

Sab ko moo thod jawaab dediya CVs ne.

Atleast lessons learnt, never call any strong character sadakchap. Atleast give your opinions clearly. So that u wont have to eat your words for yourself.


Nainaji, we are RK's fans with the same " Dont care attitude" of RK's, one sadak ka Sultan and one kahi ka PHOTU can never make us eat our words, we are used to eating only Sultan's head all the time, nothing tastes so good and yummy as that ..." 😉
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Posted: 12 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: naina2010

I hope I am not wrong. Jot down ur posts. The word was given by and used by forum members which later picked up by cvs for rk.

Illegitimate son is a big insult. atleast if I knw and understood his charector its a big blow to rk. Jitni gaaliyan ussn sultaan ko diya hai it all now implies to him.


do u know wt is illegitimate one who does not know his/her father name...but for rk's case the world know whose son is rk..then how can u claim that rk is illegitimate son of mk..meeraji got secret marriage with mk their marriage was not registered it is an illegal marriage..she cant claim mk is the father of sultan even now sultan is a illegitimate son of mk there was no proof for mk and meera marriage..no one accepts the photo as a proof
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: naina2010

I hope I am not wrong. Jot down ur posts. The word was given by and used by forum members which later picked up by cvs for rk.

Illegitimate son is a big insult. atleast if I knw and understood his charector its a big blow to rk. Jitni gaaliyan ussn sultaan ko diya hai it all now implies to him.



No cvs used it first and forum picked if up .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: vijayarvi



do u know wt is illegitimate one who does not know his/her father name...but for rk's case the world know whose son is rk..then how can u claim that rk is illegitimate son of mk..meeraji got secret marriage with mk their marriage was not registered it is an illegal marriage..she cant claim mk is the father of sultan even now sultan is a illegitimate son of mk there was no proof for mk and meera marriage..no one accepts the photo as a proof


Oh thats more thn enough a photo is bigger proof. During old days no reg were made.
according to society first marriage has its imp.
Now a days its illegal if u marry and dont regster.

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